Guest Posted August 9, 2017 Report Share Posted August 9, 2017 4 minutes ago, MormonGator said: Selling drugs. 3 minutes ago, askandanswer said: To Elder Hambula? I knew it was your fault! I knew it was you, Gator. You broke my heart! You broke my HEART! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suzie Posted August 9, 2017 Report Share Posted August 9, 2017 8 hours ago, MormonGator said: :: snickers :: if you ever think that I would become a general authority, you are out of your mind. Heck, I don't even have a calling now! You shouldn't! I am all for Animals rights but let's not be ridiculous... SilentOne, askandanswer, zil and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grunt Posted August 9, 2017 Report Share Posted August 9, 2017 4 hours ago, Carborendum said: No, no (strokes ego) just the pot use. You can work on the drinking and swearing later. (saith snowflake adviser to the pouting gator). Really? I'm in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 9, 2017 Report Share Posted August 9, 2017 5 minutes ago, Grunt said: Really? I'm in. Yeah, it's like I was saying. You don't have to actually do anything that is too hard. Just try to be nice and everything... is ... going ... to ... be ... just ... fine... A-HEM! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suzie Posted August 9, 2017 Report Share Posted August 9, 2017 7 hours ago, Carborendum said: It could simply be poor wording (by the spokesman for the Church???) or "following" may mean "pursuant to" or "in accordance with". Disciplinary action, remember, is not just the excommunication, but a process. I don't think it was poor wording. I read it more like both actions took place simultaneously? He was a member, a disciplinary action took place, was excommunicated and by default (since he was not longer a member), automatically released. seashmore 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
askandanswer Posted August 9, 2017 Report Share Posted August 9, 2017 (edited) On 09/08/2017 at 7:12 AM, pam said: "This morning, James J. Hamula was released as a General Authority Seventy of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, following church disciplinary action by the First Presidency and Quorum of the Twelve Apostles," said Eric Hawkins, a spokesman for The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865686362/LDS-Church-leaders-release-excommunicate-Elder-James-J-Hamula.html 11 hours ago, askandanswer said: @MormonGator! What have you done !?!?! 2 hours ago, MormonGator said: Selling drugs. 2 hours ago, askandanswer said: To Elder Hambula? I knew it was your fault! You see how easy it is to obtain a confession from a simple gator - even for an aussie? There could be a lesson for @mirkwood here. Edited August 9, 2017 by askandanswer mirkwood and Sunday21 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
askandanswer Posted August 9, 2017 Report Share Posted August 9, 2017 5 hours ago, Vort said: So Elder/Brother/Mister Hamula was released as a General Authority Seventy after being excommunicated? Really, is that how it works? Sounds like a case of being innocent until proven guilty. Perhaps penalties/consequences should only be applied once "guilt" has been established. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mirkwood Posted August 9, 2017 Report Share Posted August 9, 2017 11 minutes ago, askandanswer said: You see how easy it is to obtain a confession from a simple gator - even for an aussie? There could be a lesson for @mirkwood here. You should see our Facebook conversations. Oh the dirt I have on @MormonGator. Sunday21 and askandanswer 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MormonGator Posted August 9, 2017 Report Share Posted August 9, 2017 Just now, mirkwood said: You should see our Facebook conversations. Oh the dirt I have on @MormonGator. It's okay kid. I'll never tell your co-workers about what you've told me either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted August 10, 2017 Report Share Posted August 10, 2017 (edited) 22 hours ago, DoctorLemon said: Indeed, this is probably a question in poor taste. We should feel sad for the man more than anything. When I read your question I personally didn't think of it as being in poor taste because I think it's more normal than anything else. Some people love gossip, it's true. But even the Lord's Apostles exhibited a kind of curiosity, or bewilderment or whatever one may choose to call it. I'm a bit confused about why the official statement said what was *not* the reason for his excommunication as opposed to what was. Maybe someone can enlighten me--it's an honest question. (I do get it that there are some as was pointed out by someone quoted in the media release I think that there are those who would love to learn that an LDS general authority had "lost" his faith.) Edited August 10, 2017 by Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
my two cents Posted August 10, 2017 Report Share Posted August 10, 2017 18 minutes ago, Mike said: I'm a bit confused about why the official statement said what was *not* the reason for his excommunication as opposed to what was. Maybe someone can enlighten me--it's an honest question. (I do get it that there are some as was pointed out by someone quoted in the media release I think that there are those who would love to learn that an LDS general authority had "lost" his faith.) I think it's so people don't question what he had said in Conference talks, etc since they're still online. zil and Sunday21 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seashmore Posted August 26, 2017 Report Share Posted August 26, 2017 I was thinking about this last night, and I have a question. Nothing I'm going to get hung up about, just curious. When someone is rebaptized, they have their full blessings restored to them. If an elder is rebaptized, he doesn't have to be reordained as a deacon, teacher, then priest again. Since being a member of the Seventy is an office and a calling (in my mind; I could be wrong about that), if he is rebaptized and welcomed back to the Church, would he be back in a quorum of the Seventy, would he be given emeritus status, or something else? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vort Posted August 26, 2017 Report Share Posted August 26, 2017 1 hour ago, seashmore said: I was thinking about this last night, and I have a question. Nothing I'm going to get hung up about, just curious. When someone is rebaptized, they have their full blessings restored to them. If an elder is rebaptized, he doesn't have to be reordained as a deacon, teacher, then priest again. Since being a member of the Seventy is an office and a calling (in my mind; I could be wrong about that), if he is rebaptized and welcomed back to the Church, would he be back in a quorum of the Seventy, would he be given emeritus status, or something else? I ASSUME (so don't take this as certain) that it works as follows: A man who is rebaptized and has his blessings restored to him also has restored his most recent Priesthood office to which he was ordained. That means that upon having his blessings restored, an ex-Seventy would be a seventy and an ex-Apostle would be an apostle. Every Priesthood holder belongs to a quorum, by right of his Priesthood ordination. So you would think that a rebaptized apostle would necessarily return to the Quorum of Twelve and a rebaptized seventy would necessarily return to the Quorum of Seventy. But I doubt this is the case. Being a General Authority is a calling, not an ordination. I don't believe the calling is restored with the other blessings; we certainly have historical evidence that an excommunicated General Authority who returns will not necessarily be restored to his calling. So I think it's entirely possible that a General Authority who is excommunicated, then repents and is rebaptized, might well simply become a member of his stake high priest quorum rather than return to his previous calling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seashmore Posted August 26, 2017 Report Share Posted August 26, 2017 7 hours ago, Vort said: Every Priesthood holder belongs to a quorum, by right of his Priesthood ordination. So you would think that a rebaptized apostle would necessarily return to the Quorum of Twelve and a rebaptized seventy would necessarily return to the Quorum of Seventy. But I doubt this is the case. Being a General Authority is a calling, not an ordination. Thank you. I find this explanation satisfies my curiosity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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