The Berenstain Cross-dressers

[Jamie123]

It occurred to me this evening for the first time - ever - that if Mother and Father Bear swapped clothes, Mother would look exactly like Father and Father and Father would look exactly like Mother.

Edited April 17 by Jamie123

[LDSGator]

They’ve always been pretty shady. 

[Vort]

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Edited April 18 by Vort

[Jamie123]

9 hours ago, LDSGator said:

They’ve always been pretty shady. 

He would get better business if he gave out lollipops 🍭. 

[NeuroTypical]

The Berenstein Bears was a staple of my childhood, and my kids' as well.  Honest look at family life, dealt with real issues.  Before congress got involved and made GI Joe devote a portion of each episode to some stupid messaging directed at how kids shouldn't bully but should brush teeth or whatever.

[LDSGator]

1 hour ago, NeuroTypical said:

The Berenstein Bears was a staple of my childhood, and my kids' as well.  Honest look at family life, dealt with real issues.  Before congress got involved and made GI Joe devote a portion of each episode to some stupid messaging directed at how kids shouldn't bully but should brush teeth or whatever.

GI Joe was my thing and I still collect the comics. I don’t like the “Now I know” socially responsible stuff either. I found it silly, even as a kid.   

[NeuroTypical]

C'mon Gator admit it, this is the only reason you never burned yourself on a stove, or bullied people, or huffed the marijuanas.

[Jamie123]

38 minutes ago, LDSGator said:

GI Joe was my thing and I still collect the comics. I don’t like the “Now I know” socially responsible stuff either. I found it silly, even as a kid.   

I remember the He-Man/She-Rah cartoons where at the end of each episode the moral lesson would be pointed out. It was usually something like "Don't kick the bad guy when he's down, even if he is a jerk" or "you won't have your grandparents forever ever, so appreciate them while you can". Not bad really, for a franchise that was mostly about selling plastic junk.

[Ironhold]

5 minutes ago, Jamie123 said:

I remember the He-Man/She-Rah cartoons where at the end of each episode the moral lesson would be pointed out. It was usually something like "Don't kick the bad guy when he's down, even if he is a jerk" or "you won't have your grandparents forever ever, so appreciate them while you can". Not bad really, for a franchise that was mostly about selling plastic junk.

2 hours ago, NeuroTypical said:

The Berenstein Bears was a staple of my childhood, and my kids' as well.  Honest look at family life, dealt with real issues.  Before congress got involved and made GI Joe devote a portion of each episode to some stupid messaging directed at how kids shouldn't bully but should brush teeth or whatever.

What happened was that when Filmation was about to ship He-Man out the door they realized that the violence in each episode was on a rather higher level than what kids' shows of the era normally contained. 

As a result, they devised the PSA bit at the end of each episode in order to put the violence in some sort of context as part of a larger moral bit. 

This "halo effect" concept caught on, and soon a number of cartoons were doing some sort of PSA or educational segment at the end of each episode. 

These initially faded away around the end of the 1980s as most of the shows that did these segments got cancelled, but briefly reappeared in the mid-1990s when Congress passed laws requiring that all over-the-air broadcast television stations had to air three hours of "educational and informative" kids' programming a week as stations used these segments to justify tagging whatever show they were attached to as E/I compliant. 

Nowadays they're more of a meme than anything else, although there are G. I. Joe fans who are open to the idea of the PSAs returning at the end of future content.  

[Jamie123]

She-Ra was always criticized for giving unrealistic bodily expectations to young girls. (You don't get big breasts AND a tiny waist - its one or the other or neither.) No one ever mentioned that no one looks like He-Man either!

Edited April 18 by Jamie123
I looked it up - it's Ra, not Rah

[NeuroTypical]

11 minutes ago, Jamie123 said:

No one ever mentioned that no one looks like He-Man either!

Obviously, you've never seen me.

 

20 minutes ago, Ironhold said:

These initially faded away around the end of the 1980s as most of the shows that did these segments got cancelled, but briefly reappeared in the mid-1990s when Congress passed laws requiring that all over-the-air broadcast television stations had to air three hours of "educational and informative" kids' programming a week as stations used these segments to justify tagging whatever show they were attached to as E/I compliant. 

And the entire mess has been relentlessly parodied and meme'd ever since.   One of the better ones:

 

[LDSGator]

5 hours ago, NeuroTypical said:

C'mon Gator admit it, this is the only reason you never burned yourself on a stove, or bullied people, or huffed the marijuanas.

Hahahahahahahahahaha

[Ironhold]

21 hours ago, Jamie123 said:

She-Ra was always criticized for giving unrealistic bodily expectations to young girls. (You don't get big breasts AND a tiny waist - its one or the other or neither.) No one ever mentioned that no one looks like He-Man either!

Actually?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotoscoping

Filmation used an early form of motion capture known as "rotoscoping" in order to produce He-Man and She-Ra. 

Filmation's facilities weren't that far from places where athletes, bodybuilders, and weightlifters liked to congregate (remember, this is in California), so what they'd do is whenever new characters were to be introduced they'd send some people out as talent scouts. These scouts would then hire some of these individuals and bring them back to the facilities. The individuals would then dress in costume, pose for reference photos, engage in a series of relative basic & common actions that Filmation expected the characters to engage in quite often, and went from there. 

So when you're watching the old 1980s Filmation cartoons, you are in fact essentially watching real people. 

[Vort]

7 minutes ago, Ironhold said:

Filmation used an early form of motion capture known as "rotoscoping" in order to produce He-Man and She-Ra.

 

[Ironhold]

3 minutes ago, Vort said:

 

This is the most famous example, but it was first invented by Max Fleischer of Fleischer Studios back in the late 1930s / early 1940s. It's why so many of his action cartoons, like Superman, seem so lifelike given the technical limitations of the day. 

[LDSGator]

56 minutes ago, Ironhold said:

Actually?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotoscoping

Filmation used an early form of motion capture known as "rotoscoping" in order to produce He-Man and She-Ra. 

Filmation's facilities weren't that far from places where athletes, bodybuilders, and weightlifters liked to congregate (remember, this is in California), so what they'd do is whenever new characters were to be introduced they'd send some people out as talent scouts. These scouts would then hire some of these individuals and bring them back to the facilities. The individuals would then dress in costume, pose for reference photos, engage in a series of relative basic & common actions that Filmation expected the characters to engage in quite often, and went from there. 

So when you're watching the old 1980s Filmation cartoons, you are in fact essentially watching real people. 

I was waiting for you to post my friend. The two comic book fans on the forum have to stick together! 

[LDSGator]

On 4/19/2024 at 12:37 PM, Vort said:

 

The technology at the time really was impressive. 

[Jamie123]

On 4/19/2024 at 5:41 PM, Ironhold said:

This is the most famous example, but it was first invented by Max Fleischer of Fleischer Studios back in the late 1930s / early 1940s. It's why so many of his action cartoons, like Superman, seem so lifelike given the technical limitations of the day. 

Ralph Bakshi's Lord of the Rings was another example.

Although Bakshi's movie is a mess, I think this scene was way better than Peter Jackson's. It is much closer to the book, and Annette Crosby has the perfect voice for Galadriel.

[Carborendum]

On 4/19/2024 at 11:29 AM, Ironhold said:

So when you're watching the old 1980s Filmation cartoons, you are in fact essentially watching real people. 

Uh-huh.

I'm sure there was no artistic license on the crafting of the features for animation.

[NeuroTypical]

2 hours ago, Jamie123 said:

Ralph Bakshi's Lord of the Rings was another example.

If you're gonna use anything from that film as an example, you must use this scene where Gandalf scares Sam just because he can:

 

[Jamie123]

4 hours ago, NeuroTypical said:

If you're gonna use anything from that film as an example, you must use this scene where Gandalf scares Sam just because he can:

 

If the entire movie had been up to the standard of that scene it would have been awesome indeed!

[Ironhold]

9 hours ago, Carborendum said:

Uh-huh.

I'm sure there was no artistic license on the crafting of the features for animation.

I've seen actual photos of the process being done. They're floating around somewhere, but I don't have the links handy. 

Let's just say that the people they brought on board as references for He-Man and Skeletor were pretty beefed up by the standards of the early 1980s. 

[Carborendum]

12 hours ago, Ironhold said:

I've seen actual photos of the process being done. They're floating around somewhere, but I don't have the links handy. 

Let's just say that the people they brought on board as references for He-Man and Skeletor were pretty beefed up by the standards of the early 1980s. 

I'm pretty sure they were.  But the subtle changes of the artist's hand were just enough to give the "hyper-ideal" figures some qualities that simply wouldn't exist in a real human being.

[NeuroTypical]

3 hours ago, Carborendum said:

I'm pretty sure they were.  But the subtle changes of the artist's hand were just enough to give the "hyper-ideal" figures some qualities that simply wouldn't exist in a real human being.

I must point out again that you've never met me.  

[askandanswer]

15 hours ago, NeuroTypical said:

I must point out again that you've never met me.  

 

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