Trump just won the election

[Phoenix_person]

3 hours ago, NeuroTypical said:

It sounds like such a reasonable thing.  It's hard to judge someone from a distance, so you rely on people who have known a person best.  Who better to know Trump, than people who were actually in his administration but now support (and sometimes actively campaign for) Harris?

Trump has a pretty good answer.  "Yes, and I fired most of those people".  I remember his 4 years, and how it seemed a week didn't go by without him firing some senior person and making a big public stink about it.  

He also hired a lot of those people. At least two of his former lawyers have been disbarred. One of them is a convicted felon who served time in prison. Trump doesn't care about competence, he cares about loyalty. It seems that a lot of the people who are most loyal to him are either idiots or criminals, or both. And then you have people like General Mattis, very good at his job and was immensely respected by members of both parties. Trump wouldn't listen to him about Syria or respecting NATO, so he resigned. 

3 hours ago, NeuroTypical said:

His promise was to go drain the swamp.  When I look for reasonable things, I'd be more surprised if establishment leaders from both parties didn't fight back so hard.  Occams razor and all that.  Of course the Cheneys and Bushes hate him, for the same reason any ruling dynasty hates a fresh new disruptor coming to kick 'em out of power. 

You're certainly not wrong there, which is why I try not to give *any* Republicans a free pass just because they're endorsing Kamala. 

[NeuroTypical]

Oh, snap!

Harris rally.  The part where they begin talking about overturning Roe v. Wade. Someone in the crowd shouts “Jesus is Lord!“. Vice president Harris retorts: “Oh you’re at the wrong rally.“

3 different vids from 3 different angles:

The one making the news: 

 

 

2nd vid from The back of the room, with some vid claimed to be from both rallies:  

 

 

 

3rd vid from closer to the Christian:  

 

 

 

Straight out of the mouth of vice President Harris.  If you believe Jesus is Lord, her rally is the wrong rally for you.

[Phoenix_person]

3 hours ago, NeuroTypical said:

Oh, snap!

Harris rally.  The part where they begin talking about overturning Roe v. Wade. Someone in the crowd shouts “Jesus is Lord!“. Vice president Harris retorts: “Oh you’re at the wrong rally.“

3 different vids from 3 different angles:

The one making the news: 

 

 

2nd vid from The back of the room, with some vid claimed to be from both rallies:  

 

 

 

3rd vid from closer to the Christian:  

 

 

 

Straight out of the mouth of vice President Harris.  If you believe Jesus is Lord, her rally is the wrong rally for you.

This was a lazy "gotcha" staged by a couple of MAGA infiltrators (one of them is tagged in one of the above tweets).  Definitely not a great look for Harris to fall for it, to be sure.

And context is important (not to mention the timing of their outburst). You're a fellow Twitter user, so surely you're familiar with the internal conservative beef between Candace Owens and Ben Shapiro? If not, here's a refresher. And just like that, "Christ is King" turned into one of those dog whistles in a lot of online spaces. Again, to be clear, Kamala's not very bright, but if I were in your shoes, I'd be more mad about people in your party weaponizing your Savior to score cheap political points using a phrase that has been weaponized by other people in your party to advance antisemitic infighting.

[Carborendum]

17 hours ago, Phoenix_person said:

Dick Cheney and a slew of old guard Republicans are supporting Harris.

This doesn't surprise me.

17 hours ago, Phoenix_person said:

The old guard Democrats suddenly don't seem to care about associations. 

This surprises me.

It would be one thing if they only hated Cheney because they disagreed with his politics.  But if you recall those days, they made personal attacks about him being the devil.  In some ways they were worse than what they say about Trump today.  The only reason they didn't feel like protesting him was because he was only VP, not the Pres.

17 hours ago, Phoenix_person said:

And if they don't shut up about Project 2025, they may get a rude awakening about the stance of their newfound supporters on it.

I don't know.  It seems to me that the only way for them to justify leaving the Republicans is if they buy into the Dem platform whole-heartedly.

17 hours ago, Phoenix_person said:

It actually really irks me that Harris has made P2025 such a central talking point of her campaign. The contents of that plan are supported my most conservatives, MAGA and Harris-voting "RINOs" alike. The Heritage Foundation just consolidated it into a single policy document and gave it a name. Those policies aren't leaving the GOP platform any time soon. 

I'm not sure what I'm hearing here.  Please explain.  If you really believe the GOP platform is flawed, why wouldn't Harris want to disparage it?

[LDSGator]

4 minutes ago, Carborendum said:

This doesn't surprise me.

17 hours ago, Phoenix_person said:

Does me. Dick Cheney was a conservatives conservative, and very right wing. He was also hated by the left for his entire tenure as VP 

 

5 minutes ago, Carborendum said:

don't know.  It seems to me that the only way for them to justify leaving the Republicans is if they buy into the Dem platform whole-heartedly.

Doesn’t work that way. Politics isn’t religion, and you can pick and choose what you want to agree with.

 

 

[Carborendum]

On 10/19/2024 at 12:02 AM, Phoenix_person said:

Your church warns of "secret combinations". But surely those secret combinations could never be conservative extremists, right?

The secret combinations are always attacking the Church.  That is one way we can identify them.  

Another principle is that secret combinations have "operatives" (for lack of a better term) everywhere.  They are even in the leadership of our Church.  So, yeah, some of them are conservatives.  Some are LDS.

So, what's the point?

While there are individuals everywhere, it is the ideology that we're against.  And ideology can penetrate anywhere.  

For example, you know that the ideology of communism/socialism is really the secret combination that has faced us for past decades.  But who actually runs it?  No one.  It is like a virus.  And today, most conservatives long for it.

Today, the new ideology is population reduction.  Thus the trans movement is being pushed like it has never been before.  It has nothing to do with "letting people be their authentic selves."  The ideology is about reducing the number of children born.  Same for abortion.  Same for mothers in the work place.  Same for environmentalism.

All these things seem so disconnected.  But they all pursue a single goal: reduce the population.  You can deny it all you want.  But a single principle still stands out in my mind.  If you want to know the true motivations, look at the results.

And with ALL of these and many more ideologies that are being pushed right now, the common thread is reducing the population.

[NeuroTypical]

2 hours ago, Phoenix_person said:

This was a lazy "gotcha" staged by a couple of MAGA infiltrators

Oh, totally agree.  Same sort of thing started happening in our General Conferences a few years ago.  A couple of folks started attending, so when the leadership gets presented for a sustaining vote, they could jump up and yell "OPPOSED!".  We ended up changing how we do general conference sustainings.  Now those in favor signify with the uplifted hand, and any opposed are directed to go talk to their Stake President about it.

The left has always seemed to have a corner on the market of such things, but they don't own the copyright.

 

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And context is important (not to mention the timing of their outburst). You're a fellow Twitter user, so surely you're familiar with the internal conservative beef between Candace Owens and Ben Shapiro? If not, here's a refresher. And just like that, "Christ is King" turned into one of those dog whistles in a lot of online spaces.

I'm vaguely aware of it, mostly disappointed that folks on the same side get into public squabbles about things.  

(Also, hats off to you for striding into the thirdhour conservative enclave and spreadin' around dirt!  I thought I was the only one who did stuff like that, with all my links to how the old school LGB really have some serious problems with the TQIA+ kiddos.  But that's for a different thread. *)

 

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Again, to be clear, Kamala's not very bright, but if I were in your shoes, I'd be more mad about people in your party weaponizing your Savior to score cheap political points using a phrase that has been weaponized by other people in your party to advance antisemitic infighting.

People striding into places they're not wanted and making loud noises about their Savior, knowing they'll likely get a bad reaction, has been kind of a big thing for over 2000 years.  To VP Harris' credit, her response was infinitely better than the response we used to get. 

That said, yeah, antisemitism is enjoying a massive uptick, and not just in this country, but worldwide.  It's hardly some right wing phenomenon though.  It belongs to itself, and shows up everywhere.  So Imma go ahead and refuse to cede a statement about Christ to the antisemites.  The right doesn't bow to cultural winds of word redefinition as easily as the left.

 

 

 

 

 

 

(* Ok, just one.   One of the original organizers of the Stonewall riots got kicked out of a pride parade for wearing her "Adult Human Female" shirt.  Dogwhistles, dogwhistles, dogwhistles everywhere, I tells ya!)

Edited October 21, 2024 by NeuroTypical

[LDSGator]

4 hours ago, NeuroTypical said:

I'm vaguely aware of it, mostly disappointed that folks on the same side get into public squabbles about things.

The worst arguments are always between people who largely agree on the big picture but argue about the little things. 
 

The nastiest fight I ever saw, politically speaking, was between two pro lifers arguing over what type of contraception should be legal.  

Edited October 21, 2024 by LDSGator

[Carborendum]

I just saw this and had to share:

[LDSGator]

2 minutes ago, Carborendum said:

I just saw this and had to share:

Well, McDonalds hires felons. 

[Phoenix_person]

40 minutes ago, Carborendum said:

I just saw this and had to share:

Obviously fake. That McDonald's was closed while Trump was there. 😜

[Carborendum]

1 hour ago, Phoenix_person said:

Obviously fake. That McDonald's was closed while Trump was there. 😜

No way, man!  I was there!  I swear it's absolutely real!!!

[mikbone]

I’m starting to feel the momentum.  I wonder what kinds of last minute surprises are in store for the next few weeks.

I saw that the whole Pittsburgh Steelers crowd was chanting USA with Trump @ the Jets game.

Trump is busy and Kamala is taking the day off.  

I know some liberals that are going to be very, VERY disappointed. 

Looks like republicans have a good chance to take the Senate too.  The House looks like democrats will win at the moment, but if the current momentum continues anything can happen.

 

Edited October 22, 2024 by mikbone

[NeuroTypical]

Presidential elections and Emergency Room horror stories - two things that capture my interest.  I'll probably be watching the results closely, keeping my WSJ tracker updated.

https://www.wsj.com/politics/elections/trump-harris-election-win-paths-5ac8cd97?mod=hp_lead_pos8

[LDSGator]

18 minutes ago, NeuroTypical said:

Presidential elections and Emergency Room horror stories - two things that capture my interest.  I'll probably be watching the results closely, keeping my WSJ tracker updated.

https://www.wsj.com/politics/elections/trump-harris-election-win-paths-5ac8cd97?mod=hp_lead_pos8

I love the election too. Like a character from a Greek tragedy I am both repulsed by it, and unable to look away. 

[NeuroTypical]

 

[Traveler]

What is the possibility that the election process is valid?  I will add one additional question.   When did anyone reregister or update their voter registration?  Especially if you are voting by mail with an early ballot?

Why would I ask such a question?  About 4 decades ago there was no early voting per say, and I was required to reregister every 4 years.  It was a simple process.  I would drop by a registered poll with my ID (drivers license) and validate my data – which was party affiliation and my current address (since I was a previously registered voter).  The first time I voted I had to produce a birth certificate to prove citizenship. A side not here – I joined the army at age 17 which was before I could vote, and my military ID was not enough proof to register for voting.  I had no party affiliation (which was none of the above) which was fine.  I was given a voter register card.  Then on the day for voting – I showed up with my voter register card – they checked the registered list, and I voted.

I think it is important to note that I was aware of voter fraud even with all the checks.  It was because of voter fraud, back in those days, that I left the republican party.  I joined the democratic party and found voter fraud to be exponentially worse.  Because of my personal experience, I have often pondered why I even bother to vote.

Because I traveled a lot – I often registered for an absence ballot and dropped that in the mail a week or two in advance.  Somewhere along the way, a voting year came up and I was unable to reregister – it was pre done automatically, and I received a mail in ballot without requesting it.  Ever since (a few decades now) I receive a mail in ballot without any request for one.

The average American changes residence every 12 years or so.  This gives someone easy (but illegal) access to mail in ballots.  When was the last time anyone remembers someone going to jail for false voter registration?  Currently the state of Verginia is being sued by our federal justice department for attempting to clear voter rolls.  And I thought that individual states (according to the Constitution) had control of their elections.

There are two primary reasons for voter fraud.  The first is to falsely win an election.  The second is so a party can declare a mandate for an agenda – I am of the mind that the real agenda is well hidden. 

I have lost all hope for a democratic republic democracy.  I speculate that before I die there will be a totalitarian takeover of America.  I used to think such would happen because of corruption in both political parties.  I currently believe it is because as a nation and people we have rejected righteousness and embraced wickedness.  My hope and prayer is that G-d will preserve a remnant for the return of the Messiah.  If I survive (I am an old guy) for the next 10 years or so – it is my intent to be among the remnant of righteous.  If all is lost and I die – I believe I will be spared much suffering and sorrow.  However things turn out, the righteous will eventually realize that all things are being overseen by G-d and that all things will turn out for our good – if we are righteous.

 

The Traveler

[Phoenix_person]

4 hours ago, mikbone said:

I’m starting to feel the momentum.  I wonder what kinds of last minute surprises are in store for the next few weeks.

I saw that the whole Pittsburgh Steelers crowd was chanting USA with Trump @ the Jets game.

Western PA is Trump country. That's no secret, and it's nothing new.

4 hours ago, mikbone said:

Trump is busy and Kamala is taking the day off.  

She's done 17 rallies this month, by my count. Today she's doing interviews with NBC and Telemundo. And when it comes to these campaign events, I think quality matters as much as quantity. And right now, Trump's events are giving Kamala's campaign fresh material almost daily.

 

4 hours ago, mikbone said:

Looks like republicans have a good chance to take the Senate too.  The House looks like democrats will win at the moment, but if the current momentum continues anything can happen.

I'm curious what polls you're gleaning this from (genuinely curious, I don't follow polls much). My understanding is that GOP fundraising has been so focused on Trump that a lot of races further down the ticket are struggling to meet fundraising goals. State Dem parties don't seem to be having that problem.

https://www.newsweek.com/multiple-state-republican-parties-going-broke-1858680

[JohnsonJones]

22 hours ago, Phoenix_person said:

I'm curious what polls you're gleaning this from (genuinely curious, I don't follow polls much). My understanding is that GOP fundraising has been so focused on Trump that a lot of races further down the ticket are struggling to meet fundraising goals. State Dem parties don't seem to be having that problem.

https://www.newsweek.com/multiple-state-republican-parties-going-broke-1858680

It varies from site to site and spot to spot.  Here's one

NPR swing state analysis from a week ago

Here's another story covering it

Election poll trump winning four of seven key swing states

The NBC poll some are taking pretty seriously...

Project Five thirty Eight

And of all places for the Saints, this popped up in my google feed!  From the Deseret News

Swing States polls Trump Harris 2024

[mikbone]

Like I said lots of liberals are going to be very disappointed.

I’ll endure the next 4 years either way.

[LDSGator]

54 minutes ago, mikbone said:

Like I said lots of liberals are going to be very disappointed.

 

Everyone is a prophet before the election, but if 2016 taught me anything, it taught me to leave prophecy to actual prophets.
 

With one exception. With iron clad certainty I know that the losers will complain about the election being stolen, and they’ll post things like “If you voted for X, just defriend me!” 

 

55 minutes ago, mikbone said:

I’ll endure the next 4 years either way.

Agree there. My happiness doesn’t depend on who wins the elections. It’s in my own hands. 

[mirkwood]

Last Presidential election my SIL had extra mail in ballots show up for her, her daughter and I think one of her sons.  I think she said there were a total of 5 extra ballots.  I told her to shred the extras.

[Phoenix_person]

12 hours ago, mirkwood said:

I told her to shred the extras.

Good advice. Mistakes happen, and typically there are several failsafes in place to prevent multiple ballots from the same person from being counted, but there would certainly be people asking questions if she were to actually attempt to return multiple ballots.

Edited October 23, 2024 by Phoenix_person

[NeuroTypical]

I applied to be a part-time election judge in some capacity for my county, but they never got back to me.  Maybe in future election cycles. 

[Ironhold]

https://kdhnews.com/military/slain-soldier-re-enters-political-conversation-after-trump-comments-revealed/article_2163627c-9197-11ef-83ba-1ba26c796b81.html

A few days ago, The Atlantic published an article making all sorts of sensational claims about Trump. 

Various people who were in a position to do so took to social media to deny those claims, something that The Atlantic tried to spin and a number of Harris supporters tried to ignore. 

Well, the Killeen Daily Herald is the regional daily newspaper serving the Fort Hood / Fort Cavazos region, and they're repeating a number of those denials in print. So it's now official that at least one mainstream media outlet is challenging The Atlantic's take on matters.