Heretic (2024 Film)

[Vort]

5 minutes ago, LDSGator said:

I’ll bite. Why?

Such a stunt draws attention to the event (movie, in this case). The few reviews I have read on this movie have been somewhat negative, and the movie itself is not likely to be highly popular. Fewer eyes = fewer being misled by this sophomoric representation of the Church and its missionaries.

With "The Book of Mormon" musical, it had already become a notable event with many positive, even rave, reviews, before the Church chose to distribute copies of the actual Book of Mormon at its show locations. That was simply making the best of a bad situation. I would prefer not to give this ridiculous horror flick that kind of publicity.

[LDSGator]

8 minutes ago, Vort said:

Such a stunt draws attention to the event (movie, in this case). The few reviews I have read on this movie have been somewhat negative, and the movie itself is not likely to be highly popular. Fewer eyes = fewer being misled by this sophomoric representation of the Church and its missionaries.

With "The Book of Mormon" musical, it had already become a notable event with many positive, even rave, reviews, before the Church chose to distribute copies of the actual Book of Mormon at its show locations. That was simply making the best of a bad situation. I would prefer not to give this ridiculous horror flick that kind of publicity.

It’s already a big horror movie, but I agree it’s no where near South Park/BOM musical levels in terms of influence right now.
 

Ignoring it would have been the best choice but the church already released statements about it. Twice.
 

We need some way to tell our side-I’m optimistic people will Google the church name and find out more about us. Especially my fellow horror junkies. 

[Carborendum]

32 minutes ago, Vort said:

Such a stunt draws attention to the event (movie, in this case). The few reviews I have read on this movie have been somewhat negative, and the movie itself is not likely to be highly popular. Fewer eyes = fewer being misled by this sophomoric representation of the Church and its missionaries.

With "The Book of Mormon" musical, it had already become a notable event with many positive, even rave, reviews, before the Church chose to distribute copies of the actual Book of Mormon at its show locations. That was simply making the best of a bad situation. I would prefer not to give this ridiculous horror flick that kind of publicity.

The Church representative gave an insightful comment on the musical. 

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As long as everyone is laughing, there's no problem.  They know it's a joke.  It's when they stop laughing that it becomes a problem.

Well, no one is laughing at this movie.

It appears to be on the verge of making a profit.

Edited November 18, 2024 by Carborendum

[Ironhold]

Got to thinking about it earlier today.

How did the house pass muster with the building inspector? 

If everything was laid right out in the plans when the house was first built, then it wouldn't have been approved unless something hinky went down behind the scenes. If anything, the cops might have been called to pay the guy a visit. 

The stuff he did in that house is too extensive for one guy to do by himself in any reasonable length of time even if he had the skills to do it, and any sensible contractor would have started asking questions. 

[Carborendum]

3 minutes ago, Ironhold said:

Got to thinking about it earlier today.

How did the house pass muster with the building inspector? 

If everything was laid right out in the plans when the house was first built, then it wouldn't have been approved unless something hinky went down behind the scenes. If anything, the cops might have been called to pay the guy a visit. 

The stuff he did in that house is too extensive for one guy to do by himself in any reasonable length of time even if he had the skills to do it, and any sensible contractor would have started asking questions. 

It's a movie.

[Ironhold]

5 minutes ago, Carborendum said:

It's a movie.

It's a meme how often entire movies could be altered significantly, or even averted, within only 5 minutes' time. 

Like how with Jurassic Park, everything that went wrong happened because the guy spared *many* expenses when it came to his IT department despite lavishly spending on everything else. If he'd hired an actual team of IT workers and bleeding-edge tech systems instead of just trusting Nedry and a Windows knock-off the dinosaurs would have never gotten loose. 

Or how Harry Potter never actually *needed* to participate in the Tri-Wizard Tournament since, well, it's only supposed to be between three wizards and his was the fourth name that came up. If the authorities had investigated, or Harry had chosen to sit it out, Voldemort's plan would have been thwarted. 

1987's G. I. Joe: The Movie? "Hey... Lt. Falcon is the very definition of irresponsibility. Are you sure you want him as part of the guard detail for Serpentor? Barbecue and Airtight aren't doing much of anything; let's have one of them handle the overwatch."

And so on...

[Carborendum]

36 minutes ago, Ironhold said:

It's a meme how often entire movies could be altered significantly, or even averted, within only 5 minutes' time. 

Like how with Jurassic Park, everything that went wrong happened because the guy spared *many* expenses when it came to his IT department despite lavishly spending on everything else. If he'd hired an actual team of IT workers and bleeding-edge tech systems instead of just trusting Nedry and a Windows knock-off the dinosaurs would have never gotten loose. 

Or how Harry Potter never actually *needed* to participate in the Tri-Wizard Tournament since, well, it's only supposed to be between three wizards and his was the fourth name that came up. If the authorities had investigated, or Harry had chosen to sit it out, Voldemort's plan would have been thwarted. 

1987's G. I. Joe: The Movie? "Hey... Lt. Falcon is the very definition of irresponsibility. Are you sure you want him as part of the guard detail for Serpentor? Barbecue and Airtight aren't doing much of anything; let's have one of them handle the overwatch."

And so on...

You should audition for Cinema Sins.

[Ironhold]

1 hour ago, Carborendum said:

You should audition for Cinema Sins.

It's part of the overall criticism process, a way of showing plot holes in a script and bringing to light the importance of thinking things through when writing. 

[Jamie123]

On 11/18/2024 at 10:52 PM, Ironhold said:

The stuff he did in that house is too extensive for one guy to do by himself in any reasonable length of time even if he had the skills to do it, and any sensible contractor would have started asking questions. 

I have the same issue with Batman. Did he, Robin and Alfred excavate the Bat Cave, create the Batmobile and all the other gizmos all by themselves?

Sinister thought: maybe Mr. Reed had the contractors "taken care of" once the building was complete.

And Batman...? *Shudder*

[Jamie123]

On 11/18/2024 at 11:03 PM, Ironhold said:

Or how Harry Potter never actually *needed* to participate in the Tri-Wizard Tournament since, well, it's only supposed to be between three wizards and his was the fourth name that came up. If the authorities had investigated, or Harry had chosen to sit it out, Voldemort's plan would have been thwarted. 

The Goblet of Fire never made any sense at all to me. Why for example did they need to cancel the entire Quiddich season for the sake of a contest that involved only 4 students. And in the second two rounds, what would the spectators have been able to see? It would have been boring as heck for them.

[NeuroTypical]

Y'all must be real fun at movies.

As opposed to me, who is the pinnacle of fun at movies.  I'll overlook plot holes and contradictions all day, but I'll also yell stuff at the characters and opine about what should have happened or what's going to happen next.

"Wait!  I can explain!"

"Better be good - you died the last time we watched this show!"

"Daddy, stop!"

[Ironhold]

11 minutes ago, NeuroTypical said:

Y'all must be real fun at movies.

As opposed to me, who is the pinnacle of fun at movies.  I'll overlook plot holes and contradictions all day, but I'll also yell stuff at the characters and opine about what should have happened or what's going to happen next.

"Wait!  I can explain!"

"Better be good - you died the last time we watched this show!"

"Daddy, stop!"

When it comes to writing, the adage is "give them the impossible, but not the implausible". 

If people go into something understanding that it's fantastic or incredible they'll put their brains on idle and enjoy the ride. 

However, if they see something that causes them to go "hey, wait a minute", it'll wake their brain back up and take them right out of it. 

This is why, for example, people can accept the entire idea of Pokemon being about 10-year-olds going out to catch all sorts of dangerous critters on their own but folks have spent the past 25 years asking how Delia Ketchum pays the bills given that she's a single mother who is not shown on-screen as having any source of income but none-the-less has money for vacations. That she refers to Ash's dad in the *present* tense all the way back in the very second episode further muddies the water, as that means his dad is running around somewhere. 

[Carborendum]

14 hours ago, NeuroTypical said:

Y'all must be real fun at movies.

As opposed to me, who is the pinnacle of fun at movies.  I'll overlook plot holes and contradictions all day, but I'll also yell stuff at the characters and opine about what should have happened or what's going to happen next.

"Wait!  I can explain!"

"Better be good - you died the last time we watched this show!"

"Daddy, stop!"

The way I look at it is that whenever we agree to sit for entertainment, we have to place a cap on our head that says "Willful Suspension of Disbelief" (WSoD).

This cap can be light, or it can be heavy.  And whenever some plot hole or unrealistic scene plays itself out, it is balanced by the weight of that cap.

Others are genre specific.  Comedies, we understand will push limits.  Fantasy films will be in "a different universe."  So, there are some things that clearly ask you to suspend your disbelief on various items.  So, we agree to do so when we see the movie.

Other items are balanced by the level of entertainment we get out of it.  If a movie is entertaining enough, we can totally believe that John Wick can take on dozens of assailants who are all master assassins.  Why? Because we want to be entertained.  We want the good guy to win.  So, we chalk it up to plot armor.  It even causes us to accept the idea that a master assassin can "reform".

Some shows set up the parameters and we're prepared for most of it.  But once or twice during the story, we see something that just knocks that WSoD Cap across the room.  That's where we have to roll our eyes.

Edited November 22, 2024 by Carborendum

[LDSGator]

https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/movies/story/2024-11-12/heretic-a24-hugh-grant-election
 

Politics makes strange bedfellows. This writer is hardly sympathetic to LDS, but she attacks the movie from a feminist perspective.    
 

Contains spoilers 

Edited November 22, 2024 by LDSGator

[Jamie123]

Another thought (which I don't think anyone has yet mentioned). The male missionary who came to look for the sisters after they failed to return: would he have been allowed to be on his own like that without his companion?

[zil2]

3 hours ago, Carborendum said:

But once or twice during the story, we see something that just knocks that WSoD Cap across the room.  That's where we have to roll our eyes....

...across the floor, to find the cap.

[zil2]

1 hour ago, Jamie123 said:

Another thought (which I don't think anyone has yet mentioned). The male missionary who came to look for the sisters after they failed to return: would he have been allowed to be on his own like that without his companion?

Nope.

[Jamie123]

43 minutes ago, zil2 said:

Nope.

Hmmm.... I'm beginning to think this movie has as much accurate information on LDS missionaries as Scooby Doo Where Are You? has on parapsychology.

Not that I don't like Scooby Doo. I like Velma best, with her rational explanations. I think she grew up to be Scully.

Edited November 22, 2024 by Jamie123

[NeuroTypical]

It really is not a movie about LDS.    It's a horror flick in the Saw genre.  Bad guy with total control forces victims to make choices that reveal their inner secrets, and there's lots of blood and cutting and murder and psychological horror and whatnot.  

In this case, the victims are 2 mormon missionary chicks.  The show got the following things right: 

- We have sister missionaries that work in pairs. 
- They wear nametags.
- They're not supposed to go into a house with only man/men present.

Honestly, that's all they really needed to get right.   It's a horror flick like Saw.  

[LDSGator]

6 minutes ago, NeuroTypical said:

It really is not a movie about LDS.    It's a horror flick in the Saw genre.  Bad guy with total control forces victims to make choices that reveal their inner secrets, and there's lots of blood and cutting and murder and psychological horror and whatnot.  

In this case, the victims are 2 mormon missionary chicks.  The show got the following things right: 

- We have sister missionaries that work in pairs. 
- They wear nametags.
- They're not supposed to go into a house with only man/men present.

Honestly, that's all they really needed to get right.   It's a horror flick like Saw.  

Exactly. It’s also a work of fiction-not everything is going to “real”. If you want truth in movies, documentaries might be more up your alley.   

[Carborendum]

1 hour ago, NeuroTypical said:

It really is not a movie about LDS.    It's a horror flick in the Saw genre. 

...

 

It's a horror flick like Saw.  

Well, now I really wanna go see it.... NOT!!!

[Jamie123]

On 11/22/2024 at 7:18 PM, Carborendum said:

Well, now I really wanna go see it.... NOT!!!

Mah haha hahaaa!

[LDSGator]

Heretic made a profit. And you know what that means in the world of horror movies. 
 

Heretic 2,3,4,5,6 and 7 will be released in no time. 

[mirkwood]

13 hours ago, LDSGator said:

Heretic 2,3,4,5,6 and 7 will be released in no time. 

I volunteer to be in Heretic 2 as a senior missionary.  You know, the retired cop who is still authorized to carry a gun nation wide.  Yeah...short movie...like maybe a reel.   

[LDSGator]

2 minutes ago, mirkwood said:

I volunteer to be in Heretic 2 as a senior missionary.  You know, the retired cop who is still authorized to carry a gun nation wide.  Yeah...short movie...like maybe a reel.   

Heretic 2: The Revenge. I’ll get working on the script.