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  1. Well stated. I don't remember ever really thinking about this before. I have always taken the words as meaning "The predator and the prey will be at peace", but maybe there are more layers to the story. For example, the lion is a widely recognized figure of the tribe of Judah, and specifically of David and his reign and progeny. The lamb is obviously a figure of Jesus, but may also symbolize those ruled by David's or Judah's house. Come to think about it, I don't think the "lamb and lion" metaphor/prophecy/whatever you want to call it is biblical. Pretty sure Isaiah talks about the wolf and the lamb. Okay, looks like Isaiah 11:6, which reads: The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them. Hmmmm. Not sure what to make of this. Why do we so often talk about the lion and the lamb? Is there another verse of scripture that I'm missing here?
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  2. mrmarklin

    Meetings...

    Quite a few years ago, i vowed never to accept a Church calling in which i could not control the meetings. Its limited the callings I’ve been involved with.
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  3. The Lion will lay down with the Lamb is not just talking about animals.
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  4. The end to the war between the Islamic world and Israel occurs when the Savior appears on the Mount of Olives during the Battle of Armageddon.
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  5. There is some feelings of relief that the wars of Islamic societies against Israel (Jews) is over or coming to an end. I am impressed that this is not the case at all. That there is, somewhat in secret and in public, a growing aggression of war against Israel. That we are seeing prophesy coming to pass. I am concerned about the acquisition of one or more nuclear devices by Iran. There is more than one way this could occur. The first is that Iran finds a way to renew their internal efforts to enrich uranium. Another is that sufficient plutonium isotope 238 was secured prior to the destruction of Iran’s nuclear facilities. Another possibility is that nuclear nations sympathetic to Iran provide them with the necessary additions of the plutonium isotope 238. Both Russia and Pakistan have shown interest in providing Iran with what is needed to complete their desire for nuclear capability. There is also the possibility of North Korea and China being involved in the mix. Iran has their network of proxies to assist in deliverance of a nuclear device – some secret sleeper cells may be already in the USA preparing for such. Iran is close enough to Israel that there could be several possibilities to deliver a nuclear device in Israel. In essence, it is possible that there is a multi teared levels of proxies and a willing to use such a terror network to deliver a nuclear device to Israel or the USA by a large variety of possibilities. We are specifically warned in our revelations of restoration (D&C) that the greatest threat to the USA will not be foreign but will be within the boundaries of the USA and in the hearts of individuals that seek to destroy liberty and freedom. The alarm is not so much to fear our enemies as it is to have faith in Christ to preserve his Saints that stand together to uphold their covenants and laws as instructed in our temples (stand in holy places). The Traveler
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  6. "It's my belief that society needs to periodically test old and new against each other in order to determine which is the best way forward. Sometimes the old ways survived for a reason. Sometimes new is legitimately better. Sometimes both are terrible and another solution is needed. Sometimes both can coexist. Sometimes putting both together makes something superior to the two of them apart. Either way, we can't just arbitrarily accept one or the other." This is my overall mindset, and more than a few people have had fits over it.
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  7. I think the bigger point, is that any Conservative should want a smaller government and less Welfare going out. Why are my tax dollars paying their full time employees to work at Walmart? As I mentioned above, if Walmart want's to subsidize their workforce that way, have them pay our government to reimburse us (the taxpayer). I propose that they pay us 10X the amount we subsidize any of their full time employees. Any welfare or food stamps or anything else that a full time employee (note, full time means that this should be the only job the employee needs to do) has to use or qualifies for and uses, will need to be paid back to us 10 fold. Stop using taxpayer money to subsidize their own workers. This would reduce our Welfare monies we spend, reduce the social programs needed, or bring in more money for us to use on other things in the government.
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  8. Well, if we're trying to turn the subjective world of should into the real world, I think AOC should have stuck with her original summary of the Green New Deal. People shouldn't have to work at all. Get on that, wouldja @Phoenix_person?
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  9. LDSGator

    Meetings...

    I’ve always thought that the people who like meetings are always the least productive people in the office.
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  10. zil2

    I'm a Christian.

    Welcome, @Maytoday! Only one website matters, the Church's official one. Whatever you find elsewhere may or may not be correct or consistent with what the Church teaches. The 13 Articles of Faith might be a good place to start with what we believe - they were written by Joseph Smith, through whom the Church of Jesus Christ was restored. As @Grunt said, the Book of Mormon is another good starting point (and, there's an app for that ). What's to argue? We believe what we believe. We believe it because it is revealed by God through prophets and apostles. Whether you understand it or see reason or logic in it won't matter - we believe what we believe. People have been trying since the 1800s to "argue" us out of our beliefs - doesn't work. So what is there to argue about? If you don't understand what we're saying, OK, we'll try to explain it in different terms. If you don't believe the things we believe, that's your right and choice, but there's still nothing to argue about. How exactly is a religious document "proven true"? How do you prove that Jesus Christ is the son of God? How do you prove that he atoned for our sins and was resurrected? How do you prove that God is real? You can find our beliefs in our scriptures. Every April and October, the leaders of our Church expound on what you find in said scriptures - helping us to apply these things in our lives - in a meeting we call "General Conference". But you're not going to find us citing a creed or whatever. If you want to take a deep dive into early Church history, you could try the Joseph Smith Papers website. Other than all that, it might be best if you just start with whatever simple question you might have, and we'll have a go at answering. I will say that in my experience, this Third Hour forum is the one place on the internet where you will find faithful members of the Church who support the leaders of the Church (as opposed to many other forums where you'll find a mixture of that, wolves in sheep's clothing, people who want to destroy the Church, and heaven knows who else). Finally, perhaps @prisonchaplain can give you some tips on engaging with latter-day saints. (Should he have time and notice this.)
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