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  1. Provident living vs living the law of consecration and church welfare

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    @JohnsonJones A previous poster referred to the revelation in the Doctrine and Covenants to show that the early implementation for the Law of Consecration had the member voluntarily deed their property to the bishop as agent of the Church, who in turn deeded a "stewardship" back to the person. The Joseph Smith Papers editors note that the execution was limited in scope and duration. "Not all features of consecration were implemented, and many members of the church were never invited to practice consecration as outlined in the scriptures." I've searched for examples of these deeds either to the bishop or from the bishop and have turned up empty. The closest I can find is 1) general land transactions and 2) dissolving the United Firm. For 1) every Kirtland transaction and Missouri transaction I see involves the exchange of land for money. For 2) I haven't found the deeds, but Revelations in Context says Whitney's store stewardship was deeded to him after the Firm was dissolved. Is this what you were talking about with the deeds not actually being deeded? Or are you talking about something else?

    As a historian, I would appreciate it if you would provide sources for your claims that Consecrated properties were communal and theocommunistic in practice.

  2. Provident living vs living the law of consecration and church welfare

    in LDS Gospel Discussion

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    For what it’s worth, missionaries who regularly review mission standards should know what to tithe on and what not to tithe.

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    You do not need to pay tithing on mission funds.
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    Tithing on personal funds received and any income from a business or investments at home should be paid with personal funds through your home ward or through online donations.

    There was a similar statement in the old (white) missionary handbook.

  7. A palindrome should be called a wordrow. Or a droword, if it's just one word.

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    On 10/24/2022 at 10:46 AM, Vort said:

    By strange coincidence, this showed up on my Facebook account this morning from nine years ago today. I saw it literally seconds after posting to this thread. (I did slightly modify one of these from my original FB post for display on this forum. Betcha can't guess which one.) Clearly, this is a topic I have given more thought to that it really deserves.

    Nine years! That's actually kind of...sad...

    Vort

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    My proposal for palindromes:
    If it's a single word (e.g. "racecar", "Hannah", "stats"), it's called a "droword".
    If it's more than one word (e.g. "Able was I ere I saw Elba", "Madam, I'm Adam", "Aye, Vorty trove, ya!"), it's called a "word row".
    Are we agreed?

    Is this a seasonal thing for you? October is "time to play with palindromes month"?

    Or....

    Or maybe you're life is a palindrome and April 2018 was your mid-point.

  11. Lehi's vision of the tree

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    On 11/5/2022 at 10:36 AM, laronius said:

    Also, these mists do not represent any specific historical event as you will read in the other chapters.

    Nephi shows that there’s at least 3 layers of interpretation to Lehi’s dream. The first, as you note, is the personal path to salvation that invariable leads to the Savior. The second is a large scale explanation that centers on Jesus’ birth, the gospel message, apostasy, restoration, and Christ’s return. Nephi only explains some of this because he refers to John’s Apocalypse. The third is familial, tracing Nephi’s descendants and their covenant relationship with the Lord. The highlight is when they are visited by the Savior, followed by a period of apostasy, and a prophesied day of renewal and restoration.

    There may be other interpretations, but these are the ones Nephi gave.

  13. The Gospel According To... Anime?

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    22 hours ago, Ironhold said:

    This has me wondering. Could Salt Lake, or another company, use anime and manga stylings, if not commissioned materials, in a similar fashion? 

    President Benson invited members to use our talents to tell Book of Mormon stories in new media:

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    I have a vision of artists putting into film, drama, literature, music, and paintings great themes and great characters from the Book of Mormon.

     

  15. Ezekiel 37

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    Nephi came to a similar understanding while reading Isaiah 29. Ignorant of Ezekiel, he comments that joining these two sticks directly leads to the two nations joining.

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    And it shall come to pass that the aJews shall have the words of the Nephites, and the Nephites shall have the words of the Jews; and the Nephites and the Jews shall have the words of the blost tribes of Israel; and the lost tribes of Israel shall have the words of the Nephites and the Jews.

    14 And it shall come to pass that my people, which are of the ahouse of Israel, shall be gathered home unto the blands of their possessions; and my word also shall be gathered in cone. And I will show unto them that fight against my word and against my dpeople, who are of the ehouse of Israel, that I am God, and that I fcovenanted with gAbraham that I would remember his hseed iforever.

     

    One additional note is that the theme of the restoration of Israel is revisited in the two-stick prophecy. Just prior to that there is a vision of the valley of dry bones. This is often taken to directly represent the restoration of Israel and indirectly represent (for Christians at least) the resurrection. The repitition with the two sticks also has the primary and secondary representation but without latter-day revelation remains incomplete.

  16. The Rest of the Lord

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    13 hours ago, askandanswer said:

    This might be nit-picking, but its hard to see how one could be seperated from sorrow without also being seperated from love, compassion and empathy. 

    The 3 Nephites have this explained to them. They are free sorrow “save it be for the sins of the world” (3 Nephi 28:9). This sounds like the compassion you speak of. But they are separated from the sorrow of pain and death and I’ll-fortune and such.

  21. Book of Mormon Language

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    16 hours ago, Vort said:

    Some years ago, our family doctor was named Dr. Wharton. I remember one time calling the clinic and asking, "Can I talk with Dr. Wharton's nurse, please?" The response was silence, followed by, "We don't have a doctor here by that name." I said, "Of course you do. Dr. Wharton has worked at that clinic since before we moved into the area fifteen years ago." She checked again and said, "Nope, can't find any doctor here by that name. I know all the doctors. We don't have a Dr. Horton." We went round and round on this until she finally figured out that I was saying "Wharton" (/'hwär tən/) and not Horton (/'hor tən/). When she realized it, she exclaimed, "Oh, you mean Dr. Worton!" My immediate thought was, "That's not how you say it." Ironically, it probably was exactly how Dr. Wharton herself said it. But I still find it funny that she couldn't understand my pronunciation.

     

  23. New v. Old Avengers

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    I’m not sure how fair a comparison those clips were. Hulk and Hawkeye are comparing movie effects and choreography against a tv series, isn’t it? And Black Widow is movie v. movie, but White Widow’s weak, goofy landing was done intentionally to mock Black Widow’s signature landing style. I can’t compare Wakanda to Iron Man because I didn’t even know that one was happening (happened?).