jerome1232

ive been meaning to respond to this, im a stay at home dad of two under two so I'm easily sidetracked. my story is a long one so ill give you the condensed version.
i was born and raised in the church, left when i was 17 and didnt look back for many years. wandered in the mists so to speak after i let go of the iron rod (not sure i was ever really holding on to begin with) filled that spiritual void with anything i could thatd numb me to the reality of life without the spirit. (didnt realize this at the time, i thought i was just having a great old time)
ended up married to a non member(many years later) who is a wonderful person so i wanted to get my act together, started slowly reintroducing myself to the gospel and this year i was able to bless both of my sons. my wife is still a non member but shes uniquely very supportive of my return to faith as well as raising my children in the church. i never in a million years thought id be who and where i am today. grateful to my savior and heavenly father for his patience and love.  

hello, i started using the board probably close to 10 years ago when i was beginning to have an interest in church activity. since then ive married and had two children, finally got off the dope and have been active in my ward for almost a year. i don't know if i will post much but i figured i would re-introduce myself. 

I personally thought the controversial topic would be something like 
“you have to pay tithing on gross income not net”, or “you should wear garments while exercising”
Nope...
seaguls... 
... I was way off

I actually penetrate worms with barbed metal hooks, then drown them in water while they are still writhing.
I do this specifically to lure marine wildlife to eat the writhing worm. When the marine wildlife bites, I yank on the barbed metal hook embedding it into their mouths.

I actually penetrate worms with barbed metal hooks, then drown them in water while they are still writhing.
I do this specifically to lure marine wildlife to eat the writhing worm. When the marine wildlife bites, I yank on the barbed metal hook embedding it into their mouths.

I've seen that argument against free will before. I've always thought it a senseless argument. Knowing what the outcome isn't what determines that outcome, your choices are. Knowledge of what an outcome will be and the causes of that outcome are or  at least can be different things.
As latter-day saints we have the unique perspective that we have always existed. We are co-eternal with God.

I actually penetrate worms with barbed metal hooks, then drown them in water while they are still writhing.
I do this specifically to lure marine wildlife to eat the writhing worm. When the marine wildlife bites, I yank on the barbed metal hook embedding it into their mouths.

Pretty sure he was being snarky about the fact that this thread is an exact duplicate of an older thread posted in September, which was already fully answered.

WW2, Every US election, Communism, gang wars, political corruption, McCarthyism,  MormonHub’s decision to be renamed ThirdHour, etc

To add to that, we believe any marriage done outside of the temple is dissolved on death. 'Till death do you part are the words right? So you die, you aren't married, you don't qualify for the celestial kingdom.

Temple sealings done by priesthood authority are effective for time and eternity. A couple that is sealed in the temple are forever bonded to one another and will still be sealed as husband and wife after death. Children born to a couple that has been sealed are also born into this eternal bond, and are eternally sealed together as a family unit.

What I am excited about is the aligned at hone curriculum. I imagine going to church for two hours, coming home, having lunch, then having a home lesson, spending more time as a family on the Lord's day.
That sounds great. If you want more church, get with a like minded group at church and have an after church study! You could use the revamped at home discussion curriculum as your guide.

What I am excited about is the aligned at hone curriculum. I imagine going to church for two hours, coming home, having lunch, then having a home lesson, spending more time as a family on the Lord's day.
That sounds great. If you want more church, get with a like minded group at church and have an after church study! You could use the revamped at home discussion curriculum as your guide.

In order to enter the highest degree of the Celestial kingdom a person must be sealed by proper authority in the temples. Marriage is good, but is not sufficient to enter the Celestial kingdom.
Our bishops perform marriages (not sealings similar to what you call Christian marriages), not in the temple, although these marriages are good they are not what the Lord has commanded in order to enter his rest in the Celestial kingdom.

Seagulls are filthy nasty birds and we hated them in Cali...then I move to Utah and find out they are the state bird.  Disgusting.

Nah, there wasn’t enough(or any) fire from his original statement to make active participation worth it.

Hmmmmmmmmmmm
Maybe someone forgot their password and thought they were kicked off the forum.
 
The Traveler

Anon the Great appears to have disappeared? Fallen victim to a radical seagull attack?          Maybe?

When we were visiting family in Utah we went to some kids musuem and my kids thought it was funny that the Utah State bird is the California Seagull. We are from California. Seriously guys, get your own bird.

They try to steal my fries when I'm at the beach anyways. You can have them.

Seeing as we are specifically avoiding removing the name of Christ from our church I'd say "The Church of Jesus Christ" would be the best abbreviation.

Seeing as we are specifically avoiding removing the name of Christ from our church I'd say "The Church of Jesus Christ" would be the best abbreviation.

Seeing as we are specifically avoiding removing the name of Christ from our church I'd say "The Church of Jesus Christ" would be the best abbreviation.

Seeing as we are specifically avoiding removing the name of Christ from our church I'd say "The Church of Jesus Christ" would be the best abbreviation.

We did - the Lord sent us yours and we kept it (what kind of nut would argue with the Lord over cricket-eating birds?).  Get yourselves a new bird.

Let’s add some more context here.  The source is Journal of Discourses 9:150; a sermon given in 1862.  I’m posting about the last fourth of the sermon.  I will bold the extracts already cited:
 
I will say a few words in regard to your belief in being led, guided, and directed by one man. Brother Jackman has said that our enemies hate the fact of our being led by one man. Thousands of times my soul has been lifted to God the Father, in the name of Jesus, to make that verily true in every sense of the word, that we may be led by the man Jesus Christ, through Joseph Smith the Prophet. You may inquire how we are to know that we are so led. I refer you to the exhortation you have heard so frequently from me. Do not be deceived, any of you; if you are deceived, it is because you deceive yourselves. You may know whether you are led right or wrong, as well as you know the way home; for every principle God has revealed carries its own convictions of its truth to the human mind, and there is no calling of God to man on earth but what brings with it the evidences of its authenticity. Let us take a course that leads to the perpetuity of the natural life which God has given us, and honor it. Should we pursue this course faithfully, and never bestow one thought for the life that is to come, we are just as sure of that immortal life as we are of the life we now possess. This, in fact, is the only way in which we can be prepared to inherit that more glorious life. 
What a pity it would be if we were led by one man to utter destruction! Are you afraid of this? I am more afraid that this people have so much confidence in their leaders that they will not inquire for themselves of God whether they are led by Him. I am fearful they settle down in a state of blind self-security, trusting their eternal destiny in the hands of their leaders with a reckless confidence that in itself would thwart the purposes of God in their salvation, and weaken that influence they could give to their leaders, did they know for themselves, by the revelations of Jesus, that they are led in the right way. Let every man and woman know, by the whispering of the Spirit of God to themselves, whether their leaders are walking in the path the Lord dictates, or not. This has been my exhortation continually. 
Brother Joseph W. Young remarked this morning that he wished the people to receive the word of the Lord through his servants, be dictated by them, and have no will of their own. I would express it in this wise: God has placed within us a will, and we should be satisfied to have it controlled by the will of the Almighty. Let the human will be indomitable for right. It has been the custom of parents to break the will until it is weakened, and the noble, Godlike powers of the child are reduced to a comparative state of imbecility and cowardice. Let that heaven-born property of human agents be properly tempered and wisely directed, instead of pursuing the opposite course, and it will conquer in the cause of right. Break not the spirit of any person, but guide it to feel that it is its greatest delight and highest ambition to be controlled by the revelations of Jesus Christ; then the will of man becomes Godlike in overcoming the evil that is sown in the flesh, until God shall reign within us to will and do of his good pleasure. 
Let all persons be fervent in prayer, until they know the things of God for themselves and become certain that they are walking in the path that leads to everlasting life; then will envy, the child of ignorance, vanish, and there will be no disposition in any man to place himself above another; for such a feeling meets no countenance in the order of heaven. Jesus Christ never wanted to be different from his father: they were and are one. If a people are led by the revelations of Jesus Christ, and they are cognizant of the fact through their faithfulness, there is no fear but they will be one in Christ Jesus, and see eye to eye.
 
My takeaway:  Young wasn’t worried about a day when the Church authorities would lead us to sin.  He was worried that without divine confirmation, we wouldn’t follow the Church authorities zealously enough to truly come to Christ, change our natures, and attain salvation.