NeuroTypical

Anne ran it up the flag pole. I'm not saluting. Anne - are you similarly grossed out at the propect of organ transplants?

For whatever reason, whenever my wife and I stop to help some poor soul stuck on the side of the road, they've always just asked "are you guys mormon?" It's happened all of the last 3-4 times we've stopped - 2 of those times were not in Utah. I don't know why. I'm certain that there are more people than just LDS folks who will stop if you're stuck on the side of the road...

There's still the next of kin filing civil rights abuse charges, if a hungry enough lawyer can talk them into suing. But yeah, no charges from the state.

Yeah, that's one speculation, but no, you can't definitively say what was happening. Again, maybe, maybe not. You seem pretty sure you know exactly what's up with this person, having only read a brief paragraph or two from a secondhand source.However, I agree with your overall point - mental illness is mental illness, and it would be nice if the human race would grow the heck up and stop treating it like what it is not. Our church is trying hard to help people grow up. Take a look: Myths about Mental Illness By Elder Alexander B. Morrison Of the Seventy

Hi bjinterfaith, I just wanted to thank you for your apology and statement. As I drive around, I see a lot of bumperstickers. I've always wanted to find someone sporting a 'coexist' sticker, to see if they really meant it, or if they were just practicing the discrimination of the mainstream diversity crowd (i.e. - if one doesn't totally tolerate everything all the time, one is hated, labeled, and discriminated against.)Glad to meet you, and I'm glad to see you're following the dictates of your own slogan. Good luck finding your person!

Yep - that makes perfect sense. Permanent annotations on member records are for people convicted of very serious crimes and/or committers of very horrible acts. It makes sense to me that your cousin isn't a horrible person at all, and it doesn't surprise me to hear someone with something like that in their past couldn't sincerely repent and be a member in good standing, teach CTR, etc.

There is also a thing called chemical castration, which involves injections which remove all the drive while leaving all the parts. I don't know much about it, other than it's not a treatment we really can force on someone against their will. I'm told there are occasionally pedophiles who accept, and even seek out, this treatment.

First of all, I believe you. Second of all, I'm interested in details.What was the charge of which he was convicted? Was it a felony or midemeanor? Did he serve prison time? How much? I'm mostly interested because I've assisted the church in getting a molester excommunicated. He was charged with 7 counts of felony aggrivated sexual abuse of a minor and pled guilty to one. (The girl was 7.) He was sentenced to 5-life, and I submitted this information to the church, and was informed that he was excommunicated. The processes that Mahone describes are working quite well in this person's case. I'm guessing from your description that your cousin's past acts are nowhere near the same level of horribleness, and it makes sense that the charges and penalties and restrictions, in both church and legal settings, reflect that.

I take my iPod touch to church, with a ton of stuff loaded on the free LDS Gospel Library app. Magazines going back to 1971, all the manuals used on a sunday, the hymns, and of course the scriptures.

I was lucky to have some good mormon friends to hang with back when I wasn't sure God existed. Finding a few mormon friends could be an interesting thing for you brodie.

According to this article, it looks like the Grand Jury won't convene until July 10. I'm guessing we probably won't hear much more about it in the news until 2nd or 3rd week of July.

It doesn't even have to be about a fit of anger. It can also be about not knowing the capabilities of your opponent. He just got caught molesting a child - will he try to kill the child and father? Will he take a hostage? Is he a better fighter than the dad? Will he pull a knife or gun? Indeed - you spend just enough attention on that fine line, to make sure you're far enough past it that it's not an issue.

You can find the pamphlet here. It asks you for an email and zip code, then downloads the pdf file. I've only spent around 10 minutes looking through it, but I didn't really find anything wrong with it. (I agree with KirtlandSaint that the article has some big problems.) This paragraph helped clarify what they meant by supporting your gay kid:

Hi KirtlandSaint! I don't know much about the "nonBrighamite" LDS folks, but I consider y'all to be my cousins. Welcome to the forum.

It wasn't about nitpicking or feeling pissy. It was about disagreeing. After I posted, I saw this: I almost deleted my post, because I was on notice that it really didn't matter what I had to say. I decided to leave my post up, because there's more folks in this thread than just you and me.From where I'm standing: 1- The dad stopped the attack, and 911 got called, and everyone is trying to help the girl. 2- As Estradling mentioned, the people in posession of the facts will be deciding if the dad used an appropriate amount of force or not. If they decide to charge him, well, if Texas law is like CO law, he's got an affirmative defense. 3- It's tempting (and common) to 2nd guess what should have happened based on our incomplete grasp of the facts and preexisting worldviews about how things work. When deadly force has been used, and someone pipes in about how they should have done it differently, I try to find out if they know what the heck they're talking about or not. When they do, the responses tend to sound a lot like Anatess' post. When the only response is to get called pissy and nitpicking...

If I read the accounts in the news correctly, he did exactly everything you just said he should have done. (I'm not sure he called 911 himself though.) It sounds like you have a few gaps in your knowledge and experience about what sort of things happen when someone tries to "knock someone out" or restrain them. I'm thinking that humans using physical force on each other is a far, far more dangerous and injurious thing than you believe.Let me guess - you believe that in the space of 5-10 seconds, dads just automatically know exactly how to restrain other grown men? And they somehow how much force to apply with which part of themselves, to what part of someone else, to do exactly enough damage to "knock them out", but not kill them. Did you learn this in a dojo or gym somewhere? Please - tell me where you got this information. If I could figure out how to access and incorporate this information into myself, which you seem to believe is so common and available, then I could rest easy and let my conceal carry permit expire. Yeah, I'm not sure I disagree with you here. But the cost of keeping a segment of society locked up for life is high, and society tends to balk at such things. Which is what the father did. Are you under the impression somehow that the father did not stop the crime, or that the cops did not get called?

Am I reading you correctly? You would have preferred that the father, when walking in on a man engaged in the act of molesting his 4 yr old daughter, should have taken no action other than to call 911? Just want to make sure I understand you here too. Two questions: Are you advocating life sentences for convicted pedophiles? Are you advocating that private citizens not be allowed to take action to end crimes currently occuring?

I agree that the two stories are very obviously different. Just out of curiosity, what charge would you feel fits this case? Charges are supposed to be leveled against people who we think are guilty of said charge. What charge is he guilty of in your opinion? Here is how the law is written in Colorado. (I haven't looked up Texas law, but I assume it's similar.): Good thoughts folks.

So, on topic, we seem all pretty united that the murderer in the original link is a murderer and needs to be convicted as a murderer. What about the father in Houston Texas who beat a man to death after discovering him allegedly molesting his 4 yr old daughter? They're saying he probably won't even be arrested, much less charged with anything. My link doesn't mention it, but apparently the physical evidence backs up the father's story.

This thread needs more jokes. I'll start: ---------- One Sunday, the bishop was called into the High Priest Group meeting, where he was given the sad news that one of the HP's had just died. He looked up and down the rows of HP's, and asked "which one?"

My wife was told that if she got pregnant again, it would most likely not go to term, and there were good odds that it would kill her too. Kind of an easy choice there.

Yeah, I've had "I'm coming to your house" said to me a few times too.

Could you explain a little about what "done" means to you?

It isn't ok to murder, especially when someone did nothing. Could you point to the person saying otherwise? Heh. Here's some free advice: Understand that the word "fair" often doesn't have much to do with human-based systems of justice. We sometimes stink at administering justice. Here is a partial list of things humans are horrible at:- Figuring out what happened - Figuring out who is to blame and who is blameless, and in what measures - Accounting for mitigating and aggravating circumstances - Determining intent - Reading the content of someone's character and heart and soul - Agreeing that a punishment should be applied - Agreeing on what an appropriate punishment is - Agreeing to apply an appropriate punishment - Actually applying the agreed on appropriate punishment So if we're fortunate enough to live in a country where good people actually try their best to administer justice, we're still not all that great at it. You can ask cops how often they see bad people go free. You can ask jury members how often they believe they were able to decide the right thing. You can ask corrections officers how often prison makes someone better, and how often it makes them worse. Personally, if I didn't believe in God's ability to mete out perfect justice and perfect mercy, I'd be a much unhappier person here on earth. Because I often don't see either happening here. Yes, humans usually struggle with the commandment to love their neighbor, when looking at neighbors who happen to have done horrible things. But as someone who has dealt with the issue, and struggled to love more than one such person, I wholeheartedly endorse giving it a try. God doesn't want us to be 'less sad' when one of His children dies instead of another.(I say this, as my family is preparing against the possibility that the guy we helped put behind bars may come looking for some payback when he gets out this year.)

There are many such stories going around. At the blackest of '08, a full 10% of the homes in my neighborhood were in foreclosure. Congrats on hitting it big in precious metals! I did a little of that myself (enough to buy a new front door with the profit). I dunno. The difference between some precious metals skyrocketing and others not, tell me it isn't a purely inflationary thing. It tells me some folks (and institutions and governments) are flocking to safety, and it worries me about what that says about the dollar. Of course stocks are more volatile and prone to fail than metals - that's the nature of the game. Stocks historically have greater return on investment. The last 3-4 years have been an exception to a rule that has been true for 75 years.I remember my parents getting all excited in the late '70's about silver. They scrimped and saved and invested. Then the stagflation ended and we had the golden Reagan years, and silver plummeted. Well, not that rare: Oh, I wholeheartedly agree. I've been quoting Pres. Hinckley's 1996 address through the 1-2 minor recessions and the major recession we've had since he gave it. Stay the heck out of debt, don't buy things you can't afford, store and prepare against hard times. I'm with them 100% too.Isn't it interesting that you and I can be so in alignment with who we listen to, and yet come to such different conclusions about the amount of melodrama we should experience as a result?