circusboy01 Posted December 15, 2011 Report Posted December 15, 2011 I'm sure many of you here, already know the answer. For the others this should put your quandary to an end. The Chicken came first. It was a creation of our Heavenly Father. Had He created the egg first. It stands to reason that He would have created Adam and Eve as new born infants, and the Garden of Eden as seedlings. Brother Ray Quote
Jamie123 Posted December 15, 2011 Report Posted December 15, 2011 Had He created the egg first. It stands to reason that He would have created Adam and Eve as new born infants, and the Garden of Eden as seedlings. Brother RayHow do you know He didn't create them as infants?One of my favourite books is Through a Glass Darkly by Jostein Gaarder, where an angel converses with a girl who is dying of cancer. One of the ideas they explore is that Adam and Eve were children, and that "The Fall" was associated with their becoming adults. It's a great read - though not (I suspect) intended to be taken too seriously. Quote
MarginOfError Posted December 15, 2011 Report Posted December 15, 2011 I'm sure many of you here, already know the answer. For the others this should put your quandary to an end. The Chicken came first. It was a creation of our Heavenly Father. Had He created the egg first. It stands to reason that He would have created Adam and Eve as new born infants, and the Garden of Eden as seedlings. Brother RayI've actually read a statistical analysis demonstrating that the egg came first. I'll see if I can find it. Quote
rameumptom Posted December 15, 2011 Report Posted December 15, 2011 Your arguments for the chicken are all non sequitur arguments. They do not necessarily follow each other in an argument. There is a lot of assumption going on. Even if Adam and Eve were not infants when created, who is to say other animals weren't hatched or born in some fashion into infancy? Quote
james12 Posted December 15, 2011 Report Posted December 15, 2011 As others have said, creation from an embryo is possible, perhaps even likely. Joseph F. Smith and the First Presidency had this to say, "True it is that the body of man enters upon its career as a tiny germ embryo, which becomes an infant, quickened at a certain stage by the spirit whose tabernacle it is, and the child, after being born, develops into a man. There is nothing in this, however, to indicate that the original man, the first of our race, began life as anything less than a man, or less than the human germ or embryo that becomes a man." (The Origin of Man, Improvement Era, Nov 1909) Quote
MarginOfError Posted December 15, 2011 Report Posted December 15, 2011 I've actually read a statistical analysis demonstrating that the egg came first. I'll see if I can find it.I apologize. I found the article in my house. It concludes the chicken came first. I can't find the article in electronic version however. If I get motivated, I might scan the article if anyone is really interested. Quote
NeuroTypical Posted December 15, 2011 Report Posted December 15, 2011 Meh - this has always been easy. The egg came first. It was laid or created by something or someone who was not a chicken. I've never understood why people make this one so hard. Quote
pam Posted December 15, 2011 Report Posted December 15, 2011 It's early in the morning and this topic has made me realize I'm hungry. Okay back to topic. Quote
Jamie123 Posted December 15, 2011 Report Posted December 15, 2011 (edited) I apologize. I found the article in my house. It concludes the chicken came first. I can't find the article in electronic version however. If I get motivated, I might scan the article if anyone is really interested.I have heard before that the chicken came first - though I don't suppose it was a "chicken" per se, or even a bird, but some very early kind of egg-laying fish (or whatever) that reptiles, mammals and birds ultimately evolved from. Edited December 15, 2011 by Jamie123 I can't spell mammal Quote
beefche Posted December 15, 2011 Report Posted December 15, 2011 No, the road came first. That is what sparked the chicken to even WANT to be in existence. Quote
Blackmarch Posted December 15, 2011 Report Posted December 15, 2011 I'm sure many of you here, already know the answer. For the others this should put your quandary to an end. The Chicken came first. It was a creation of our Heavenly Father. Had He created the egg first. It stands to reason that He would have created Adam and Eve as new born infants, and the Garden of Eden as seedlings. Brother RayThere were eggs being laid before there were chickens. Quote
Jennarator Posted December 15, 2011 Report Posted December 15, 2011 All I know is that I like chicken dipped in egg (& bread crumbs) Quote
Aria Posted December 15, 2011 Report Posted December 15, 2011 A friend and I have been asking a lot of people this recently - people who work in the Protestant church. A friend of mine who is an Anglican Vicar and he said that the egg came first. Seeing that babies start off as 'eggs' it is only sensible to think that a chicken would start out as a new creation and be born into the world, as we all are. Quote
sister_in_faith Posted December 15, 2011 Report Posted December 15, 2011 I believe that evolution played a part in creation (exactly how, I don't know) so at some point, what ever came before the chicken in the evolutionary system at somepoint layed an egg that was an 'official' chicken, so with that logic, the egg came first. And out of that egg was born the first chicken. Quote
Bini Posted December 15, 2011 Report Posted December 15, 2011 Wow. People actually sit around thinking about whether the chicken came before the egg? Lol. Quote
circusboy01 Posted December 15, 2011 Author Report Posted December 15, 2011 How do you know He didn't create them as infants?One of my favourite books is Through a Glass Darkly by Jostein Gaarder, where an angel converses with a girl who is dying of cancer. One of the ideas they explore is that Adam and Eve were children, and that "The Fall" was associated with their becoming adults. It's a great read - though not (I suspect) intended to be taken too seriously.Where in Geneses does it say that Heavenly Father placed Adam and Eve in the Garden sf Eden as infants? In fact. Where in the entire Bible does it say this?Isn't "Through a Glass Darkly" a work of fiction? Brother Ray. Quote
circusboy01 Posted December 15, 2011 Author Report Posted December 15, 2011 I've actually read a statistical analysis demonstrating that the egg came first. I'll see if I can find it.Statistical analysis and the scriptures don't always jive. A statistical analysis would most likely say You can't get wine from a rock. You can't feed a large multitude with 7 loaves of bread, and fish, and you can't part a large body of water so people can pass through the center.Brother Ray Quote
circusboy01 Posted December 15, 2011 Author Report Posted December 15, 2011 Your arguments for the chicken are all non sequitur arguments. They do not necessarily follow each other in an argument. There is a lot of assumption going on. Even if Adam and Eve were not infants when created, who is to say other animals weren't hatched or born in some fashion into infancy?I'm sorry. But I don't think my arguments are non sequitur. Yes animals were born or hatched into infancy. They were born or hatched from the adult Animals that God placed on this earth. Just as Cain and Abel were born to Adam and Eve. Brother Ray Quote
circusboy01 Posted December 15, 2011 Author Report Posted December 15, 2011 Wow. People actually sit around thinking about whether the chicken came before the egg?Lol.Well if people would stop disagreeing with me. This thread would be over. Brother Ray. Quote
circusboy01 Posted December 15, 2011 Author Report Posted December 15, 2011 As others have said, creation from an embryo is possible, perhaps even likely. Joseph F. Smith and the First Presidency had this to say, "True it is that the body of man enters upon its career as a tiny germ embryo, which becomes an infant, quickened at a certain stage by the spirit whose tabernacle it is, and the child, after being born, develops into a man. There is nothing in this, however, to indicate that the original man, the first of our race, began life as anything less than a man, or less than the human germ or embryo that becomes a man." (The Origin of Man, Improvement Era, Nov 1909)We are told to ponder the scriptures. I'm going to have to ponder this before I can fully understand it. Brother Ray Quote
beefche Posted December 15, 2011 Report Posted December 15, 2011 The real question is which came first, the catepillar or the butterfly??? Quote
john doe Posted December 15, 2011 Report Posted December 15, 2011 Chicken or egg? Doesn't matter, I'll eat both, and in various ways. Quote
Vort Posted December 15, 2011 Report Posted December 15, 2011 Speaking of eggs, did anyone see the latest Jimmy Kimmel travesty, where he asked parents to give awful Christmas gifts to their kids and record the reactions? One parent gave her daughter a carton of eggs and her son...a hot dog. Years of therapy for those kids. Quote
circusboy01 Posted December 15, 2011 Author Report Posted December 15, 2011 There were eggs being laid before there were chickens.Only if Heavenly Father placed other egg laying adult animals on earth quite a while before he placed the chicken. Sometimes i don't remember things. But I believe that Heavenly Father put the animals in the Garden of Eden before Adam and Eve. But i don't know if it says anywhere about how long it was between each animal. Brother Ray Quote
circusboy01 Posted December 15, 2011 Author Report Posted December 15, 2011 A friend and I have been asking a lot of people this recently - people who work in the Protestant church. A friend of mine who is an Anglican Vicar and he said that the egg came first. Seeing that babies start off as 'eggs' it is only sensible to think that a chicken would start out as a new creation and be born into the world, as we all are.Yes. We all started out as babies. Beginning with Cain or Abel. Whoever was the oldest. The first chick was hatched from the first egg laid by the adult chicken that Heavenly Father created and put on this earth. Quote
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