Still_Small_Voice Posted July 25, 2013 Report Share Posted July 25, 2013 (edited) WASHINGTON — The House narrowly rejected a challenge to the National Security Agency’s secret collection of hundreds of millions of Americans’ phone records Wednesday night after a fierce debate pitting privacy rights against the government’s efforts to thwart terrorism.The vote was 217-205 on an issue that created unusual political coalitions in Washington, with libertarian-leaning conservatives and liberal Democrats pressing for the change against the Obama administration, the Republican establishment and Congress’ national security experts.The showdown vote marked the first chance for lawmakers to take a stand on the secret surveillance program since former National Security Agency systems analyst Edward Snowden leaked classified documents last month that spelled out the monumental scope of the government’s activities.Backing the National Security Agency program were 134 Republicans and 83 Democrats, including House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, who typically does not vote, and Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi. Rejecting the administration’s last-minute pleas to spare the surveillance operation were 94 Republicans and 111 Democrats.Article continues at this website:House votes to continue NSA surveillance program Edited July 30, 2013 by pam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Still_Small_Voice Posted July 25, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 25, 2013 I am angry at any Representatives who support this. The ability to spy on anyone for any reason at all is far too much power for anyone to have. John Boehner has betrayed all conservatives and of course power hungry Obama is all for this.This is the framework being set up for a totalitarian government. I will put a list of all those who supported this later. Hold them accountable people. Remember this well at the next election when you are in the voting booth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorningStar Posted July 25, 2013 Report Share Posted July 25, 2013 I'm mad too, but pleasantly surprised that my Democratic rep. voted for the amendment. Refreshing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skalenfehl Posted July 25, 2013 Report Share Posted July 25, 2013 I still can't get over the fact that a massive NSA building is being constructed in Utah. In UTAH! What irony! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeuroTypical Posted July 25, 2013 Report Share Posted July 25, 2013 The ability to spy on anyone for any reason at all is far too much power for anyone to have.I'd like to know what people mean by "spying". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerome1232 Posted July 25, 2013 Report Share Posted July 25, 2013 Knowing who I called, when, and for how long. I'm just pissed they are reading my facebook posts and haven't liked a single one of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dravin Posted July 25, 2013 Report Share Posted July 25, 2013 Knowing who I called, when, and for how long.I'm just pissed they are reading my facebook posts and haven't liked a single one of them. To be fair the lack of black helicopters at least means they don't dislike them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traveler Posted July 25, 2013 Report Share Posted July 25, 2013 I hate to burst anyone bubble but you are complaining about a very small tip of a very big iceberg. Over 30 years ago I worked on classified projects for the defense department developing technology. We could track individuals almost anywhere in the world (walking or in cars or other vehicles) via satellite. We could also listen in on conversations (without a so-called bug) anywhere there were speakers (radio, TV, phone, headphones etc.) weather or not the speakers were powered (on or off). If the government wants to target someone - as we have recently learned - it is very easy to obtain a legal subpoena to gather information without repercussions for exaggerating or even falsifying the reasons. The only possible defense is to elect trust worthy individuals - an impossible political condition in our current culture. In essence the cows are already out of the barn - there is no need at this point to try to close the barn door. The Traveler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleWyvern Posted July 25, 2013 Report Share Posted July 25, 2013 If you're concerned about privacy, there's a ton of recommended practices and free technologies you can use to secure your communications and online activities. A good place to start is a website the EFF set up called the Surveillance Self-Defense site that details good habits, how electronic spying actually works, and good steps you can take and free programs you can use to prevent being spied upon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerome1232 Posted July 25, 2013 Report Share Posted July 25, 2013 To be fair the lack of black helicopters at least means they don't dislike them.I'll have to make my Obama memes more offensive then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traveler Posted July 25, 2013 Report Share Posted July 25, 2013 If you're concerned about privacy, there's a ton of recommended practices and free technologies you can use to secure your communications and online activities. A good place to start is a website the EFF set up called the Surveillance Self-Defense site that details good habits, how electronic spying actually works, and good steps you can take and free programs you can use to prevent being spied upon.Sounds like an excellent way to draw attention to one's self and get on a short list. The Traveler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finrock Posted July 25, 2013 Report Share Posted July 25, 2013 (edited) Good Afternoon LittleWyvern. I hope you are doing well! :)If you're concerned about privacy, there's a ton of recommended practices and free technologies you can use to secure your communications and online activities. A good place to start is a website the EFF set up called the Surveillance Self-Defense site that details good habits, how electronic spying actually works, and good steps you can take and free programs you can use to prevent being spied upon.We, the people of the United States, established a government to secure and to protect our privacy and freedoms. How ironic that you are proposing methods that we can use to protect ourselves from the violation of our rights by the government that was established to protect those rights.Regards,Finrock Edited July 26, 2013 by Finrock Grammar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Still_Small_Voice Posted July 30, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 30, 2013 I apologize for the list not being in alphabetical order. Here are the voting results: Those voting to restrict National Security Administration spying in the House of Representatives (205 votes): Amash Amodei Bachus Barton Bass Becerra Bentivolio Bishop (UT) BlackBlackburn Blumenauer Bonamici Brady (PA) Braley (IA) Bridenstine Broun (GA) Buchanan Burgess Capps Capuano Cárdenas Carson (IN) Cartwright Cassidy Chabot Chaffetz Chu Cicilline Clarke Clay Cleaver Gardner Garrett Gibson Gohmert Gosar Gowdy Graves (GA) Grayson Green, Gene Griffin (AR) Griffith (VA) Grijalva Hahn Hall Harris Hastings (FL) Holt Honda Huelskamp Huffman Huizenga (MI) Hultgren Jeffries Jenkins Johnson (OH) Jones Jordan Keating Kildee Kingston Labrador Owens Pascrell Pastor (AZ) Pearce Perlmutter Perry Petri Pingree (ME) Pocan Poe (TX) Polis PoseyPrice (GA) Radel Rahall Rangel Ribble Rice (SC) Richmond Roe (TN) Rohrabacher Ross Rothfus Roybal-Allard Rush Salmon Sánchez, Linda T. Sanchez, Loretta Sanford Sarbanes Scalise Clyburn Coffman Cohen Connolly Conyers Courtney Cramer Crowley Cummings Daines Davis, Danny Davis, Rodney DeFazio DeGette DeLauro DelBene DeSantis DesJarlais Deutch Dingell Doggett Doyle Duffy Duncan (SC) Duncan (TN) Edwards Ellison Eshoo Farenthold Farr Fattah Fincher Fitzpatrick Fleischmann Fleming Fudge Gabbard Garamendi LaMalfa Lamborn Larson (CT) Lee (CA) Lewis Loebsack Lofgren Lowenthal Lujan Grisham (NM) Luján, Ben Ray (NM) Lummis Lynch Maffei Maloney, Carolyn Marchant Massie Matsui McClintock McCollum McDermott McGovern McHenry McMorris Rodgers Meadows Mica Michaud Miller, Gary Miller, George Moore Moran Mullin Mulvaney Nadler Napolitano Neal Nolan Nugent O'Rourke Schiff Schrader Schweikert Scott (VA) Sensenbrenner Serrano Shea-Porter Sherman Smith (MO) Smith (NJ) Southerland Speier Stewart Stockman Swalwell (CA) Takano Thompson (MS) Thompson (PA) Tierney Tipton Tonko Tsongas Vela Velázquez Walz Waters Watt Waxman Weber (TX) Welch Williams Wilson (SC) Yarmuth Yoder Yoho Young (AK) 217 voting in favor of National Security Administration spying in the House of Representatives: Aderholt Alexander Andrews Bachmann Barber Barr Barrow (GA) Benishek Bera (CA) Hanna Harper Hartzler Hastings (WA) Heck (NV) Heck (WA) Hensarling Higgins HimesPeters (CA) Peters (MI) Peterson Pittenger Pitts Pompeo Price (NC) Quigley Reed Bishop (GA) Bishop (NY) Boehner Bonner Boustany Brady (TX) Brooks (AL) Brooks (IN) Brown (FL) Brownley (CA) Bucshon Butterfield Calvert Camp Cantor Capito Carney Carter Castor (FL) Castro (TX) Cole Collins (GA) Collins (NY) Conaway Cook Cooper Costa Cotton Crawford Crenshaw Cuellar Culberson Davis (CA) Delaney Denham DentDiaz-Balart Duckworth Ellmers Engel Enyart Esty Flores Forbes Fortenberry Foster Foxx Frankel (FL) Franks (AZ) Frelinghuysen Hinojosa Holding Hoyer Hudson Hunter Hurt Israel Issa Jackson Lee Johnson (GA) Johnson, E. B. Johnson, SamJoyce Kaptur Kelly (IL) Kelly (PA) Kennedy Kilmer Kind King (IA) King (NY) Kinzinger (IL) Kirkpatrick Kline Kuster Lance Langevin Lankford Larsen (WA) LathamLatta Levin Lipinski LoBiondo Long Lowey Lucas Luetkemeyer Maloney, Sean Marino Matheson McCarthy (CA) McCaul McIntyre McKeon McKinley McNerney Meehan Meeks Meng Messer Reichert Renacci Rigell Roby Rogers (AL) Rogers (KY) Rogers (MI) Rooney Ros-Lehtinen Roskam Royce Ruiz Runyan Ruppersberger Ryan (OH) Ryan (WI) Schakowsky Schneider Schwartz Scott, Austin Scott, David Sessions Sewell (AL) Shimkus Shuster Simpson Sinema Sires Slaughter Smith (NE) Smith (TX) Smith (WA) Stivers Stutzman Terry Thompson (CA) Thornberry Tiberi Titus Turner Upton Valadao Van Hollen Vargas Veasey Visclosky Wagner Walberg Walden Walorski Wasserman Schultz Gallego Garcia Gerlach Gibbs Gingrey (GA) Goodlatte Granger Graves (MO) Green, Al Grimm Guthrie Gutiérrez Hanabusa Miller (FL) Miller (MI) Murphy (FL) Murphy (PA) Neugebauer Noem Nunes Nunnelee Olson Palazzo Paulsen Payne Pelosi Webster (FL) Wenstrup Westmoreland Whitfield Wilson (FL) Wittman Wolf Womack Woodall Young (FL) Young (IN) Those abstaining from the vote on National Security Administration spying (in my mind cowards) --- NOT VOTING 12 --- Barletta Beatty Bustos Campbell Coble Herrera Beutler Horsford McCarthy (NY) Negrete McLeod Pallone Rokita Schock 7/24/2013 Final Vote Results FINAL VOTE RESULTS FOR ROLL CALL 412 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleWyvern Posted July 30, 2013 Report Share Posted July 30, 2013 (Next time you want to post a huge block of text for reference purposes, try using Pastebin and linking to it) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pam Posted July 30, 2013 Report Share Posted July 30, 2013 I was going to say...wasn't there just a link or something that could have been used instead of an entire list like that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Still_Small_Voice Posted July 30, 2013 Author Share Posted July 30, 2013 · Hidden Hidden My Representative Rob Bishop voted against the National Security Administration spying. Thumbs up for Rob Bishop! Jim Matheson voted for the power to spy.I am very disappointed that Michelle Bachman voted for this as well. I think she said they are not saving our phone calls and e-mails. She is mistaken. Link to comment
Still_Small_Voice Posted July 30, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 30, 2013 My Representative Rob Bishop voted against the National Security Administration spying. Thumbs up for Rob Bishop! Jim Matheson voted for the power to spy.I am very disappointed that Michelle Bachmann voted for this as well. I think she said they are not saving our phone calls and e-mails. She is mistaken. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pam Posted July 30, 2013 Report Share Posted July 30, 2013 My Representative Rob Bishop voted against the National Security Administration spying. Thumbs up for Rob Bishop! Jim Matheson voted for the power to spy.I am very disappointed that Michelle Bachmann voted for this as well. I think she said they are not saving our phone calls and e-mails. She is mistaken. Apologizing in advance, but anyone that voted for Jim Matheson is an idiot. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gretchen Posted August 4, 2013 Report Share Posted August 4, 2013 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlimac Posted August 4, 2013 Report Share Posted August 4, 2013 Nothing to hide here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mordorbund Posted August 4, 2013 Report Share Posted August 4, 2013 Nothing to hide here.That's just because you don't know the laws you're already breaking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bytebear Posted August 4, 2013 Report Share Posted August 4, 2013 They need to repeal the Patriot Act. But it's not just spying for crimes, but as we have seen, this administration apparently has no issue with punishing political opponents through the tax system. Spying allows for targeting, so you may not be committing a crime but you may be audited for contributing to a cause the government doesn't like (all covertly of course) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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