Is Trump Video Surprising?

[Guest MormonGator]

8 minutes ago, Larry Cotrell said:

Trump epitomizes politician profile. He tells people what they want to hear so that he can get votes. He won't really build a wall. He won't really deport all of the illegals. And most importantly, he won't make America great again. It's all political rhetoric.

 Exactly. What you need to remember though (and this is crucial) is that Trumpers are suffering from a psychological flaw. Like an alcoholic who you say has a drinking problem, they (Trumpers) simply can't understand or listen to even the most well reasoned anti-Trump argument. It's not their fault, they really don't know any better.

[NeuroTypical]

I'm surprised nobody has posted this image yet.

Dat look you give when you show up to your wife's presidential debate, and you notice some of the women you raped or molested are across the room. 

[anatess2]

6 minutes ago, MormonGator said:

 Exactly. What you need to remember though (and this is crucial) is that Trumpers are suffering from a psychological flaw. Like an alcoholic who you say has a drinking problem, they (Trumpers) simply can't understand or listen to even the most well reasoned anti-Trump argument. It's not their fault, they really don't know any better.

Once again... insulting my intelligence.  No better than Hillary who called millions of Americans irredeemable deplorable non-Americans.

[Larry Cotrell]

13 minutes ago, anatess2 said:

Once again... insulting my intelligence.  No better than Hillary who called millions of Americans irredeemable deplorable non-Americans.

And Trump who insulted Veterans with PTSD... not to mention insulting John McCain, a war hero.

Edited October 10, 2016 by Larry Cotrell

[Guest MormonGator]

8 minutes ago, Larry Cotrell said:

And Trump who insulted Veterans with PTSD

Trump will insult anyone and get as nasty possible with personal insults (little Marco? Lying Ted? Wow). It's fairly obvious he does that to make himself feel better about his own inadequacies and failings as a man, father, husband, etc. After all, truly secure people don't do that. It's a sad reminder that you can be articulate, intelligent, and still a horrible person. 

Edited October 10, 2016 by MormonGator

[yjacket]

7 minutes ago, Larry Cotrell said:

And Trump who insulted Veterans with PTSD... not to mention insulting John McCain, a war hero.

McCain is a punk; there isn't a conflict that he wouldn't love to turn into a full-fledged war or an area of the world he wouldn't love to bomb. This is the guy who sang about "bomb,bomb, Iran". McCain has ridden the "war hero" mantra out, the last 25 years have shown him to be anything but.

[Still_Small_Voice]

53 minutes ago, yjacket said:

McCain is a punk; there isn't a conflict that he wouldn't love to turn into a full-fledged war or an area of the world he wouldn't love to bomb. This is the guy who sang about "bomb,bomb, Iran". McCain has ridden the "war hero" mantra out, the last 25 years have shown him to be anything but.

John McCain has also proven to be a sell out on liberties (many that are listed out in our beloved Bill of Rights).  It's time for McCain to retire and go his way.

[Larry Cotrell]

1 hour ago, yjacket said:

McCain is a punk; there isn't a conflict that he wouldn't love to turn into a full-fledged war or an area of the world he wouldn't love to bomb. This is the guy who sang about "bomb,bomb, Iran". McCain has ridden the "war hero" mantra out, the last 25 years have shown him to be anything but.

 

21 minutes ago, Still_Small_Voice said:

John McCain has also proven to be a sell out on liberties (many that are listed out in our beloved Bill of Rights).  It's time for McCain to retire and go his way.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not a fan of McCain, but I have respect for anyone who risks their life for our country, especially POWs.

[Just_A_Guy]

9 minutes ago, Larry Cotrell said:

Don't get me wrong, I'm not a fan of McCain, but I have respect for anyone who risks their life for our country, especially POWs.

I agree; but I lose patience with people who trade on their military service in order to try to silence those who disagree with their policy positions.  I'm afraid McCain and the Khan family have both crossed that line.  I wish Trump had used some other means to pop that bubble of sanctity some of our vets think they ought to be able to live in--but it does need to be popped.

[prisonchaplain]

I'm biased.  However, I'm also the product of decades of training--from junior high school through government service--on the signs, prevention, assistance, responses to sexual abuse.  Thus far, Trump is accused of "locker room talk" and gender insults.  HRC is accused of enabling likely physical abuse--certainly of "blaming the victims."  Since I am biased, there's no need to say which I think is worse.  However, I wonder how many, among the undecided, left the 2nd Presidential thinking THAT will not be the issue on which I make my final decision?  If many do, it's a win for Trump.

[Just_A_Guy]

31 minutes ago, prisonchaplain said:

I'm biased.  However, I'm also the product of decades of training--from junior high school through government service--on the signs, prevention, assistance, responses to sexual abuse.  Thus far, Trump is accused of "locker room talk" and gender insults.

I gotta say, as I read the transcripts:  The plain text of the words spoken, indicate that he has already engaged in a particular course of conduct.  If he was telling the truth, this is far more than "locker room talk".  If he wasn't, then the Trump campaign's slogan may as well be: 

Trump:  Don't worry, he was lying.  (We hope . . . )

 

Then again, I suppose this remains evergreen:

 

Edited October 10, 2016 by Just_A_Guy

[NeuroTypical]

Don't worry though - the fact checkers'll give ya da strait dope on Trump:

[pam]

I am soooo sick of politics and hearing anything about it.

[NeuroTypical]

1 hour ago, Just_A_Guy said:

I gotta say, as I read the transcripts:  The plain text of the words spoken, indicate that he has already engaged in a particular course of conduct.  If he was telling the truth, this is far more than "locker room talk".  

I listened to the full audio and watched the video.  I heard him bragging about how easy it is to get willing consent from lots and lots of women when you're a star, and the sorts of things you can do with those willing consentual women.  I heard him bragging about doing things with a married woman.  I think the timeframe of his comments indicate he was sleeping around as a married man.  I've been in middle school and high school locker rooms - heard this sort of talk all the time.  Maybe 20-60% of the dudes in the locker room talked this way.  I never did.  I've heard similar locker room talk from dudes half a dozen or more times as I just wandered around the planet being a human.  

Not sure why JAG thinks Trump's comments are worse than stuff I heard in locker rooms.  But one thing I am sure of, for all of Trump's nasty one-dimensional base gross adulturous bragging horribleness, he's not in the same league of evil as this guy:

Edited October 10, 2016 by NeuroTypical

[pam]

Let's be careful how we word things on this thread.  Some people are for Trump and some people are for Hillary.  That is their choice. That's what a democratic society is about.  But we should never demean or put down anyone that says they are for either of the candidates.  Again, that is their choice and we need to be respectful of that.

[prisonchaplain]

1 hour ago, Just_A_Guy said:

I gotta say, as I read the transcripts:  The plain text of the words spoken, indicate that he has already engaged in a particular course of conduct.  If he was telling the truth, this is far more than "locker room talk".  If he wasn't, then the Trump campaign's slogan may as well be: 

Trump:  Don't worry, he was lying.  (We hope . . . )

 

@NeuroTypical mentioned the same thing I was thinking--that adolescents brag big in locker rooms.  Those of us who grew up sincere in our faith heard some of this in our own locker rooms, but never respected those engaging in it, and avoided it ourselves.  We figured most of what they said was lies, and that most of those listening knew that.  They thought it was fun to talk dirty and brutish.  That Trump did this at almost-60 is pretty embarrassing.  He ate crow yesterday, with his family watching, on national TV.  But again, I compare this with HRC, a supposed poster-child for feminist success.  Her instinct was to attack victims of sexual assault--actual, literal, physical abuse.  In the case where she understandably defended her client, she's later caught laughing about getting him off lite--saying that when the client passed the lie test she lost all faith in them...snicker, snicker.  As I reconsider this, I wonder if Trumps closing praise, that HRC is a fighter, was meant as a compliment.

[Just_A_Guy]

49 minutes ago, NeuroTypical said:

Not sure why JAG thinks Trump's comments are worse than stuff I heard in locker rooms.  But one thing I am sure of, for all of Trump's nasty one-dimensional base gross adulturous bragging horribleness, he's not in the same league of evil as this guy:

NT, it's not the comments--it's the conduct that the comments acknowledge. 

With regard to saying Trump is better than Clinton because Clinton's a rapist--well, I agree that Clinton's very probably a rapist.  I find both Broaddrick and Willey credible.  But on what grounds can I find them credible, while pooh-poohing the stories of Ivana Trump, Jill Harth, and that unfortunate yet-to-be named thirteen-year-old girl (not to mention former Miss Utah Temple Taggart)?  Yes, all had financial incentive to lie.  Yes, all walked back their claims to some extent, or outright pursued a prolonged relationship with their aggressor, at some later point (rape victims tend to do that).  In one case, the accused is a Republican; in the other, the accused is a Democrat.  What other distinctions can I make between the two suspects?

28 minutes ago, prisonchaplain said:

@NeuroTypical mentioned the same thing I was thinking--that adolescents brag big in locker rooms.  Those of us who grew up sincere in our faith heard some of this in our own locker rooms, but never respected those engaging in it, and avoided it ourselves.  We figured most of what they said was lies, and that most of those listening knew that.  They thought it was fun to talk dirty and brutish.  That Trump did this at almost-60 is pretty embarrassing.  He ate crow yesterday, with his family watching, on national TV.  But again, I compare this with HRC, a supposed poster-child for feminist success.  Her instinct was to attack victims of sexual assault--actual, literal, physical abuse. 

So, we've got three categories here:

1)  Accused of perpetrating sexual abuse.

2)  Boasted of perpetrating sexual abuse.

3)  Attacks victims of sexual abuse.

Hillary fits in 3).  Bill fits in 1) and 3).  Trump fits in 1), 2), and 3). 

 

Edited October 10, 2016 by Just_A_Guy

[Larry Cotrell]

We can go back and forth on who is worse morally: Donald Trump or Bill Clinton, but the key is that neither of these guys are the role model that our president should be. We need to elect someone where kids can say, "I want to be like him (or her) someday." We need people who not only can fix the country, but people that we can be proud of as a symbol of America. The president is supposed to someone we can all look up to as a leader. The problem is that neither of the two remaining candidates fit this description.

Edited October 10, 2016 by Larry Cotrell

[lonetree]

1 hour ago, NeuroTypical said:

Don't worry though - the fact checkers'll give ya da strait dope on Trump:

[prisonchaplain]

41 minutes ago, Just_A_Guy said:

So, we've got three categories here:

1)  Accused of perpetrating sexual abuse.

2)  Boasted of perpetrating sexual abuse.

3)  Attacks victims of sexual abuse.

Hillary fits in 3).  Bill fits in 1) and 3).  Trump fits in 1), 2), and 3). 

 

Exactly why most of our eyes are glazed over, and we're ready to declare immoral equivalence.  We are so "stuck like Chuck," in this election.  So, who's that again that will be the better leader on economics, foreign affairs, immigration, and social issues--including appointing strict constructionists (rather than pro-abortion, anti-religious-liberties, pro-'degeneracy-is-natural') SCOTUS and federal judges?  I'm back to where I was a month ago.  Trump may garner a 5.  Clinton is a proud -10. 

[prisonchaplain]

19 minutes ago, Larry Cotrell said:

We can go back and forth on who is worse morally: Donald Trump or Bill Clinton, but the key is that neither of these guys are the role model that our president should be. We need to elect someone where kids can say, "I want to be like him (or her) someday." We need people who not only can fix the country, but people that we can be proud of as a symbol of America. The president is supposed to someone we can all look up to as a leader. The problem is that neither of the two remaining candidates fit this description.

You answered your own post.  That ship done left the harbor many moons ago.  At this point, who will do our country the least harm, morally and existentially?

[NeuroTypical]

1 hour ago, Just_A_Guy said:

So, we've got three categories here:

2)  Boasted of perpetrating sexual abuse.

Trump fits in 1), 2), and 3). 

Well, I guess I didn't listen to the words as closely as I needed to.  I heard boasting about how easy it was to gain consent to do nasty sex things with consenting women who were climbing all over themselves to give consent.  

I'm not a lawyer, and I don't want to start quoting the horrible thing on this board.  So if I missed something, so be it - I concede the point. 

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But on what grounds can I find them credible, while pooh-poohing the stories of ... that unfortunate yet-to-be named thirteen-year-old girl 

Just a reminder:

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 Not sure of the outcome of the suit involving the 13 yr old.  Surely it doesn't deserve to just be dismissed out of hand.

 

[anatess2]

Make a list:

Newt Gingrich and his adultery.

Arnold Schwarzenegger and his adultery.

Herman Cain and his adultery (and this was not even true).

Dukakis' racism.

W's alcoholism.

Romney's sexism.

We can go on and on and on and on with this.

[Jojo Bags]

Who cares about the video.   The idiot Americans elected a rapist to the WH twice and a socialist twice.   Now the single most corrupt politician to ever seek the office of president is supposedly supported by a majority of know nothing,  low information,  plainly ignorant voters.  The released Wikileaks emails of Hillary show a continuous pattern of crime and corruption,  and that she used the State Department for personal gain.  She is a typical Gadianton, supported by other Gadiantons.   Trump is a boy scout compared to Hillary and her rapist husband.

[Guest]

The American Populace elected Obama over Romney.

Why does anyone have any faith that they will vote for Trump over Clinton?