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I'm all for not judging individuals.   But let's not pretend God is copacetic about people who deliberately expose themselves to graphic and gratuitous violence/sex/other immorality; and let's no

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Then again we were talking about what is taught in the For Strength of Youth.  It teaches not to have sex before marriage and to remain faithful to your spouse after marriage.  Nothing has changed for

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I think one of the things I have a hard time with is why shouldn't adults follow the same counsel or guidelines as set out in For the Strength of Youth?"  Why do those standards no longer apply just b

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6 minutes ago, mirkwood said:

Feel free to comment endlessly on those ugly knights though.

Ouch! What a backstab! Dude, I defended Rush. 

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8 minutes ago, mirkwood said:

When?  That time you looked at their picture and asked if it was Supertramp?

lol. The name thing. 

Seriously, I've heard the Rulers Under Satans Hand/Knights in Satans Service thing so many times. It used to bother me but now I just put the people who think that way about the names in the same category as the people who think the moon landing was fake. Crazy people who refuse to believe what the evidence shows. Sort of like the ten percent of people who think Elvis is still alive. You pat them on the head and say "You keep at it!" and move on. 

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3 minutes ago, mirkwood said:

At least none of the members of Rush wear pink...

You have to admit that KISS and Make-up was a brilliant title for Simmons' book.

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1 minute ago, Vort said:

You have to admit that KISS and Make-up was a brilliant title for Simmons' book.

"Face the Music" by Paul Stanley was one of the best rock biographies I've ever read. Loved it. 

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35 minutes ago, MormonGator said:

people who think the moon landing was fake

Wait, what!?  The moon landed?  Where?  When?  Did the man inside finally come out after it landed?  This is H U G E !  How did I miss it?

31 minutes ago, mirkwood said:

Wait...we really made it to the moon?

Dude, go back and read again - he wasn't talking about people making it to the moon, he was talking about the moon landing!  I'm not sure, but it's possible he hit his head.

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2 minutes ago, zil said:

Wait, what!?  The moon landed?  Where?  When?  Did the man inside finally come out after it landed?  This is H U G E !  How did I miss it?

Dude, go back and read again - he wasn't talking about people making it to the moon, he was talking about the moon landing!  I'm not sure, but it's possible he hit his head.

@zil have you gotten into the horseradish again? 

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@zil have you gotten into the horseradish again?

:yuck: But that reminds me of Arby's horsey sauce which reminds me of Arby's Red Ranch Sauce which comes on an Arby's beef & cheddar, which you can get with bacon if you want, and now I'm hungry.  Thanks bunches. <_<

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4 hours ago, Sweety D said:

You are right. I only mentioned this because someone said I was wrong about so many people being offended and being judged. I was explaining that I talk to these people all the time. That it's a real problem. One's position in the church does not change the validity, other than Prophet Seer and Revelator. 

Ironically, I don't think there was anything wrong you mentioning it any more than I hope anyone would mind me mentioning I'm the ward choir director.  My question/comment was aimed at those who reacted to you differently simply because of your current calling.

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4 hours ago, Vort said:

"Brother Jones, I am the Bishop, and the responsibility to see to the performance of the Aaronic Priesthood duties is mine. If I see fit to allow young Brother Snidely to pass the sacrament in a striped purple T-shirt and plaid pants, that is my decision to make. Your concern is noted."

I'll share a couple of good examples here.

I noticed that the deacons didn't really show much respect during the passing of the sacrament.  One of the "biggest offenses" was that several of them put their hands in their pockets during the passing of the sacrament.  I did judge that to be inappropriate behavior.  But I kept my mouth shut because it was not my place.  Later, I was called to the YM presidency.  I spoke with the deacon's quorum advisor and pointed out that they needed a lesson in proper etiquette during the administration of the sacrament.  I also spoke to the teachers' quorum advisor stating that is something that needed to be reviewed, because by the time I was called, some of the deacons doing so had moved on to become teachers.

They did so.  The teachers were more reverent during the preparation.  The deacons were more reverent during the passing.

Another time, the roles were reversed.  I was the teacher's advisor.  But the YM counselor assigned to the teachers had a beef with one of the teachers (purely a personality thing, nothing more).  As he was preparing the sacrament  (BTW, he was the only teacher who dependably showed up each week early enough to prepare) there was something he did which was perfectly normal to 99.99% of wards in the church and to 99.9999% of individual who have ever had the role of teacher.  But in this particular instance, the counselor decided he was going to make a change.  He took the bread and made the change he thought was appropriate.

I counseled him and said,"You're not supposed to do that.  You need to let the teachers handle that."

"But you're touching the bread."

"Because he asked me to help him.  And no one else was around."

He then made his point about why he did what he did.

I said that it was not his decision.  But he accused me of taking the teacher's side.  I wasn't.  I actually thought he (the counselor) had a good point, but to take care of it he needed to go through proper channels and that he was putting forth his hand to steady the ark.

He didn't like that very much.

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18 minutes ago, zil said:

Next year when the elections come around, I'm going to crush you in the race for Captain Literal.  Then I'll be Inky Muse, Sheathen Mistress, and Captain Literal! Bwa ha ha ha!

Ink, sure.  I'm a klutz when it comes to fountain pens.

Sheathen Mistress, ok.  I'll be Heathen... uhmm..  Just a heathen.

But Captain Literal!??!?!  NEVER!!!

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1 hour ago, Grunt said:

I don't know what you folks are talking about caffeine, but you can't carry a gun in church?

There are some states that have certain laws that make it yes, no, or maybe.  But Mirkwood is a cop. And most states, including his, allow off-duty cops to carry concealed in a church.  So, it didn't matter for him.  Yet someone in the ward got her panties into a bunch over it.

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6 hours ago, omegaseamaster75 said:

When we look at why members leave the church or are less active the reasons are typically small and on an eternal scale meaningless.

"so so and so looked at me funny"...

"Brother whatsit gave me a judgy look"

There is something wrong with how we are presenting our message if we can't get these individuals to come back and return to activity.

You're right. 

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Told what? That a member of the bishopric looked at you? or that he looked at you from the pulpit? Am I that only one who thinks that this is insane?

Who does this? Honestly an anonymous letter? I would have thrown it in the trash.

I mean, this is right.  Wait.  Which was it again?

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9 hours ago, pam said:

While the speaker may have felt inspired to direct this to the youth, I don't think he ever intended it to be taken as excluding adults.  In fact, in his talk there was even counsel for fathers.  

Further to this, if we accept that when the brethren are speaking they do so as the lord's servants, we have this scripture to support your assumption Pam:

D&C 82:5

Therefore, what I say unto one I say unto all: Watch, for the adversary spreadeth his dominions, and darkness reigneth;

We simply don't have special rules that apply to only some. The same counsel is universal in reach.

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This may or may not help a bishop trying to help members find a reason to stay, but this past General Conference Elder Clayton shared a bishop's experience at resolving concerns:

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A few years ago, I spoke with a young bishop who was spending hours each week counseling with members of his ward. He made a striking observation. The problems that members of his ward faced, he said, were those faced by Church members everywhere—issues such as how to establish a happy marriage; struggles with balancing work, family, and Church duties; challenges with the Word of Wisdom, with employment, or with pornography; or trouble gaining peace about a Church policy or historical question they didn’t understand.

His counsel to ward members very often included getting back to simple practices of faith, such as studying the Book of Mormon—as we were counseled by President Thomas S. Monson to do—paying tithing, and serving in the Church with devotion. Frequently, however, their response to him was one of skepticism: “I don’t agree with you, Bishop. We all know those are good things to do. We talk about those things all the time in the Church. But I’m not sure you’re understanding me. What does doing any of those things have to do with the issues I’m facing?”

It’s a fair question. Over time, that young bishop and I have observed that those who are deliberate about doing the “small and simple things”7—obeying in seemingly little ways—are blessed with faith and strength that go far beyond the actual acts of obedience themselves and, in fact, may seem totally unrelated to them. It may seem hard to draw a connection between the basic daily acts of obedience and solutions to the big, complicated problems we face. But they are related. In my experience, getting the little daily habits of faith right is the single best way to fortify ourselves against the troubles of life, whatever they may be. Small acts of faith, even when they seem insignificant or entirely disconnected from the specific problems that vex us, bless us in all we do.

 

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