lostinwater Posted October 21, 2017 Report Share Posted October 21, 2017 (edited) 7 hours ago, Grunt said: It's just normal, culturally. i don't know. i have a really hard time with this. A lot of what i believe is scorned by others (which is fine), and i try not to out of hand write off what anyone else believes (apologies beforehand if i make you feel that way, or if i have inadvertently put words in your mouth). But how would any parent feel if their child (or really anyone they cared about) was one of the people who fed this industry, contributed to this cultural norm - or however a person's wants to define it. @Grunt - i'd be interested to hear your point of view on this. Edited October 21, 2017 by lostinwater Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anatess2 Posted October 21, 2017 Report Share Posted October 21, 2017 7 minutes ago, lostinwater said: i don't know. i have a really hard time with this. A lot of what i believe is scorned by others (which is fine), and i try not to out of hand write off what anyone else believes (apologies beforehand if i make you feel that way, or if i have inadvertently put words in your mouth). But how would any parent feel if their child (or really anyone they cared about) was one of the people who fed this industry, contributed to this cultural norm - or however a person's wants to define it. @Grunt - i'd be interested to hear your point of view on this. They'd say, good for you son. You're not getting anybody knocked up! True story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grunt Posted October 21, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2017 5 hours ago, bytebear said: This is the big lie. How so? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grunt Posted October 21, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2017 44 minutes ago, lostinwater said: i don't know. i have a really hard time with this. A lot of what i believe is scorned by others (which is fine), and i try not to out of hand write off what anyone else believes (apologies beforehand if i make you feel that way, or if i have inadvertently put words in your mouth). But how would any parent feel if their child (or really anyone they cared about) was one of the people who fed this industry, contributed to this cultural norm - or however a person's wants to define it. @Grunt - i'd be interested to hear your point of view on this. By "contributed" do you mean the production of porn or viewing it? Viewing porn is very normal culturally in young adults. I don't think any parent would want their child to produce it, but it's probably only a matter of time before that is normal, too. I support that with the fact that porn stars now leave the industry and move into other public careers successfully. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MormonGator Posted October 21, 2017 Report Share Posted October 21, 2017 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Grunt said: . I support that with the fact that porn stars now leave the industry and move into other public careers successfully. It worked fine for me. After all, I had to pay for college somehow. Edited October 21, 2017 by MormonGator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grunt Posted October 21, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2017 7 minutes ago, MormonGator said: It worked fine for me. After all, I had to pay for college somehow. You probably learned more paying for college than attending college. askandanswer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostinwater Posted October 21, 2017 Report Share Posted October 21, 2017 4 minutes ago, Grunt said: By "contributed" do you mean the production of porn or viewing it? Viewing porn is very normal culturally in young adults. I don't think any parent would want their child to produce it, but it's probably only a matter of time before that is normal, too. I support that with the fact that porn stars now leave the industry and move into other public careers successfully. Thank-you @Grunt. Production. i hope you are not right about that becoming normal. i've read some books about people who've gotten involved in that industry - and have yet to hear one who wasn't severely damaged by it in a way that didn't affect the rest of their lives. In fairness, i guess the ones who aren't do not write books - but i question whether anyone could get come out on the other side without being emotionally and spiritually shredded. i do not mean that to be a judgment on my part about the hearts of people who, for whatever reason, view pornographic material. After all, i no doubt wear clothes that were likely made by people working in sweat shops and horrific conditions - and the parallels between the two are not trivial. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MormonGator Posted October 21, 2017 Report Share Posted October 21, 2017 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Grunt said: You probably learned more paying for college than attending college. I learned three things: 1) College is a rip off 2) only idiots think college makes you smarter and 3) often times people who didn't go to college have mammoth chips on their shoulder about not doing so. Not personal to @Grunt or anyone else, just what I've seen. Edited October 21, 2017 by MormonGator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grunt Posted October 21, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2017 7 minutes ago, MormonGator said: I learned three things: 1) College is a rip off 2) only idiots think college makes you smarter and 3) often times people who didn't go to college have mammoth chips on their shoulder about not doing so. Not personal to @Grunt or anyone else, just what I've seen. Did you just call me arrogant or dumb? Pistols at dawn. I need new boots. Midwest LDS 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MormonGator Posted October 21, 2017 Report Share Posted October 21, 2017 Just now, Grunt said: Did you just call me arrogant or dumb? Pistols at dawn. I need new boots. And just for the record, they were art films. Not porn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoudLizard Posted October 21, 2017 Report Share Posted October 21, 2017 My opinios are: Porn and masturbation are selfish by nature. They are sinful in marriage and for single people. My opinion is that my marriage is a covenant not only with my spouse but with God. Women could give their consent to their husbands to self indulge but the truth is there is great potential for alienation, the destruction of the marriage, and possibly broken covenants. If the original post was about drinking a beer every now and then and being able to handle it without over consumption. Wouldn't that seem like justification for sin. Maybe the wife could give consent for the husband to drink a little beer. Wouldn't he still be breaking the word of wisdom? All things in moderation is a lie. The idea of sex with someone else even if only in our minds means we have already committed adultry in our hearts according to the savior. Sexual sin is grievous and not to be made casual. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pwrfrk Posted October 21, 2017 Report Share Posted October 21, 2017 (edited) I dunno. Has anyone really tried to define "porn"? I knew a woman that was a By The Book Catholic, she was so arrogant, and according to her everyone is destined for Hades but her. Her view was, if a picture showed skin, it was pornographic. To me, there is art and then there is porn. The difference being the intent of the artist and possibly the model. Keeping in mind a quote I snagged from a liberal arts professor back in 1988- "How can people develop wholesome clean thoughts when they are taught that immorality is ok and a lack of ethics is permissible? People can only harvest from what is planted." From my experience, if you are taught and raised that all nakedness is sexual, then that is the way you view all nakedness. But if you grow up with the view that nakedness being sexual is merely perspective, same thing. Edited October 21, 2017 by pwrfrk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
askandanswer Posted October 21, 2017 Report Share Posted October 21, 2017 7 hours ago, MormonGator said: It worked fine for me. After all, I had to pay for college somehow. You mean you had to pay to attend that raggedy bunch of run-down buildings that was mistakenly called a college? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Karma Posted October 21, 2017 Report Share Posted October 21, 2017 Holy side track BATMAN!! From PORN to VIDEO GAMES to COLLEGE! Midwest LDS and zil 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grunt Posted October 21, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2017 7 hours ago, LoudLizard said: My opinios are: Porn and masturbation are selfish by nature. They are sinful in marriage and for single people. My opinion is that my marriage is a covenant not only with my spouse but with God. Women could give their consent to their husbands to self indulge but the truth is there is great potential for alienation, the destruction of the marriage, and possibly broken covenants. If the original post was about drinking a beer every now and then and being able to handle it without over consumption. Wouldn't that seem like justification for sin. Maybe the wife could give consent for the husband to drink a little beer. Wouldn't he still be breaking the word of wisdom? All things in moderation is a lie. The idea of sex with someone else even if only in our minds means we have already committed adultry in our hearts according to the savior. Sexual sin is grievous and not to be made casual. The original post wasn't condoning anything, it was an explanation. It's only a sin to those who serve God. Most of the rest of the world views it as normal. LoudLizard and Jane_Doe 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MormonGator Posted October 21, 2017 Report Share Posted October 21, 2017 5 hours ago, askandanswer said: You mean you had to pay to attend that raggedy bunch of run-down buildings that was mistakenly called a college? Actually I told them to bill some guy in Australia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mirkwood Posted October 21, 2017 Report Share Posted October 21, 2017 22 hours ago, DoctorLemon said: "rock and roll music is the devil's music and brainwashes youth". Allow me to introduce you to @MormonGator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MormonGator Posted October 21, 2017 Report Share Posted October 21, 2017 18 minutes ago, mirkwood said: Allow me to introduce you to @MormonGator And I play Dungeons and Dragons too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grunt Posted October 21, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2017 1 hour ago, MormonGator said: And I play Dungeons and Dragons too. Dead to me. mirkwood, zil and Sunday21 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 21, 2017 Report Share Posted October 21, 2017 1 hour ago, mirkwood said: Allow me to introduce you to @MormonGator If you spell @MormonGators posts backwards, i bet you come up with all sorts of nefarious subliminal messages... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mirkwood Posted October 21, 2017 Report Share Posted October 21, 2017 2 hours ago, MormonGator said: And I play Dungeons and Dragons too. No wonder I like you... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mirkwood Posted October 21, 2017 Report Share Posted October 21, 2017 1 hour ago, DoctorLemon said: If you spell @MormonGators posts backwards, i bet you come up with all sorts of nefarious subliminal messages... Most of them backwards say something like: I love Justin Bieber songs. person0 and Sunday21 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 21, 2017 Report Share Posted October 21, 2017 4 minutes ago, mirkwood said: Most of them backwards say something like: I love Justin Bieber songs. That is just hideous! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mirkwood Posted October 21, 2017 Report Share Posted October 21, 2017 2 hours ago, DoctorLemon said: That is just hideous! That is what I keep telling @MormonGator but he is bound and determined to wallow in his own misery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MormonGator Posted October 22, 2017 Report Share Posted October 22, 2017 2 hours ago, mirkwood said: That is what I keep telling @MormonGator but he is bound and determined to wallow in his own misery. I wasn't going to say this-after all @mirkwood swore me to secrecy, but the dude cries whenever he hears this song: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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