Secret Society

[Traveler]

For a long time, I have been concerned about a “secret society” operating within our government.   Though I believed it and thought to see the possibility – I could not conclusively prove it.   According to a testimony (in the news) by Trey Gowdy, texts sent between a high FBI government official and a girlfriend specifically mentions a “secret society” operating and coordinating both within the FBI and the Justice Department among high government officials in those agencies.   Here is a link: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/01/23/fbis-strzok-and-page-spoke-secret-society-after-trump-election-lawmakers-say.html

 

As some may realize – I am not a great fan of Trump but it would seem that Trump’s election has overturned some stones and we are seeing some vermin scurrying to avert public gaze.  It is my opinion that we are not seeing anything close to the actual depth of the infection.  I think things could get interesting – Interesting is my way of saying that it may be a good time to repent and increase our food storage.

 

The Traveler

[anatess2]

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[Guest MormonGator]

It must not be a very well kept secret if you know about it. You'd think if it was such a powerful and influential secret society they'd stop information about themselves from being found out by random dudes on the internet, but anyway. 

Edited January 23, 2018 by MormonGator

[Mike]

21 minutes ago, MormonGator said:

It must not be a very well kept secret if you know about it. You'd think if it was such a powerful and influential secret society they'd stop information about themselves from being found out by random dudes on the internet, but anyway. 

Or, maybe there are competing societies and they're trying to discredit one another. 

[Guest MormonGator]

4 minutes ago, Mike said:

Or, maybe there are competing societies and they're trying to discredit one another. 

 

[Traveler]

33 minutes ago, MormonGator said:

It must not be a very well kept secret if you know about it. You'd think if it was such a powerful and influential secret society they'd stop information about themselves from being found out by random dudes on the internet, but anyway. 

 

Sorry to burst your little bubble but Trey Gowty is hardly some random dude on the internet.   I would also point out that 50,000 texts were lost by the FBI.  If anyone is keeping score the FBI has lost a lot of critical evidence.   I understand many think this is funny – I am surprised that anyone that understands warnings about secret societies would make a joke about such a thing.  

 

The Traveler  

[Guest MormonGator]

5 minutes ago, Traveler said:

 

Sorry to burst your little bubble

It doesn't burst my bubble because I'm not the one who believes in it. 
 

5 minutes ago, Traveler said:

  I understand many think this is funny – I am surprised that anyone that understands warnings about secret societies would make a joke about such a thing.  

How can you not make a joke about it? 

[Vort]

In general, I find any specific conspiracy theory to be wild-eyed nonsense. But only a fool would deny the existence of widespread conspiracies in government, business, and most other human endeavors. I am extremely suspicious of the convenient losses of email and texting evidence by government agencies like the FBI. Amazing how the most damning evidence against Hillary Clinton and other Democrats just happens to get accidentally deleted or misplaced. And I don't think it's just Democrats who play this filthy game, though I think at the moment they're a lot better liars than the Keystone Kops Republicans.

[Guest MormonGator]

10 minutes ago, Vort said:

In general, I find any specific conspiracy theory to be wild-eyed nonsense. But only a fool would deny the existence of widespread conspiracies in government, business, and most other human endeavors. I am extremely suspicious of the convenient losses of email and texting evidence by government agencies like the FBI. Amazing how the most damning evidence against Hillary Clinton and other Democrats just happens to get accidentally deleted or misplaced. And I don't think it's just Democrats who play this filthy game, though I think at the moment they're a lot better liars than the Keystone Kops Republicans.

I think it's more just how bloated and bureaucratic agencies like the FBI operate rather than a group of 12 people sitting around a boardroom table stroking their beards saying "We're going to execute our agenda here to rule the world". Don't get me wrong-it needs major reform and it's a serious problem-but it's not a conspiracy the way the basement dwelling tin foil hat club think it is. 

 

[mordorbund]

49 minutes ago, MormonGator said:

than a group of 12 people sitting around a boardroom table stroking their beards saying "We're going to execute our agenda here to rule the world".

Is this what you think @Traveler is describing?

[Guest MormonGator]

11 minutes ago, mordorbund said:

Is this what you think @Traveler is describing?

It's tongue in cheek and not an insult to @Traveler. However I don't believe that there is a giant, deep state conspiracy between shadowy figureheads in the Justice department and FBI. 

My honest opinion is that most (key word, most) people who believe in conspiracies do so to show off how intelligent they think they are and how stupid the rest of the sheep who don't believe it are. It's an ego thing.  Sort of like, "Ha ha ha you blind fools. I know the truth but you idiots don't. You should obey me! I'll show you how it is. Anyone who disagrees with me is stupid! I know everything!"  

Edited January 23, 2018 by MormonGator

[Vort]

16 minutes ago, MormonGator said:

My honest opinion is that most (key word, most) people who believe in conspiracies do so to show off how intelligent they think they are and how stupid the rest of the sheep who don't believe it are. It's an ego thing.  Sort of like, "Ha ha ha you blind fools. I know the truth but you idiots don't. You should obey me! I'll show you how it is. Anyone who disagrees with me is stupid! I know everything!"  

I have a slightly different opinion. I think most conspiracy theorists really, deeply believe in their conspiracies. I don't think they do it to feel smart or lord themselves over others, but because, for whatever reason, they believe it. But I do think that belief tends to make them look at others who don't share their beliefs as benighted and, probably, foolish and willfully blind.

[anatess2]

So... only @Traveler and maybe @Vort is following the Obamagate rabbit?  Interesting...

I guess if one wants so badly to get rid of Trump, Obamagate would cause heads to immediately sink below sand level.

 

Edited January 23, 2018 by anatess2

[Guest MormonGator]

9 minutes ago, Vort said:

I have a slightly different opinion. I think most conspiracy theorists really, deeply believe in their conspiracies. I don't think they do it to feel smart or lord themselves over others, but because, for whatever reason, they believe it. But I do think that belief tends to make them look at others who don't share their beliefs as benighted and, probably, foolish and willfully blind.

Obviously I can't read minds, and I don't claim to know for sure that they believe in conspiracies because they want power over the peons who don't believe them.  Just my thoughts of course. I do believe it's an ego thing for them. Sad. 

Edited January 23, 2018 by MormonGator

[bytebear]

Do I think there's a secret society?  No.  Do I think a whole bunch of like minded people in government and the media were so shocked at Trump's win that they have gone to extensive lengths to try to create a soft coup of his presidency.  And they are continuing to that end and now to cover up the various actions that were part of that endeavor.   Does that mean they are coordinated?  Probably not, but they are helping each other.

[bytebear]

I also fully believe Hillary Clinton via Obama used the State Department and the spying agencies of the government to spy on the Trump campaign under questionable allegations, and they thought winning would ensure they would never be caught, and they are swimming deep in scandal, and the media is desperately trying to protect the legacy of the last administration.

[Sunday21]

There is something referred to as ‘messed up’ theory of organizations. The real term is obscene so I am not using the precise term. ‘Never ascribe malice to any pattern of behaviour that can be explained by fatigue, incompetence or disorganization.’ Most things that go wrong occur because there is no process in place to prevent mistakes. Next time you are home or visiting teaching a retired person, ask them about things that went wrong during their career and why. Most organizations do not have appropriate checks and balances. And the members of the organization are exploiting the resources for their own ends. Does this description match your organization?

[mirkwood]

 

[anatess2]

2 hours ago, Sunday21 said:

There is something referred to as ‘messed up’ theory of organizations. The real term is obscene so I am not using the precise term. ‘Never ascribe malice to any pattern of behaviour that can be explained by fatigue, incompetence or disorganization.’ Most things that go wrong occur because there is no process in place to prevent mistakes. Next time you are home or visiting teaching a retired person, ask them about things that went wrong during their career and why. Most organizations do not have appropriate checks and balances. And the members of the organization are exploiting the resources for their own ends. Does this description match your organization?

If you're referring to @Traveler's OP about the organization being the US Federal Government, more specifically, the FBI, then it's highly unlikely that fatigue, incompetence, or disorganization caused all these people to make mistakes that all tie together by mere coincidence.

[mirkwood]

 

[mirkwood]

"There is no conspiracy theory in the Book of Mormon, it is a conspiracy fact."  ~ Ezra Taft Benson

[Traveler]

A little history.  Europe has always loved trading with Asia – in particular China.  But China historically has been an isolated society – Think of the Great Wall.   Few in Western civilization realize but most of western inventions and advancements (example – printing press) took place and was utilized in China hundreds of years previously.  With the Renaissance in Western civilization came increased trade with China – but China did not want anything the West had – except gold.    By the end of the 17th Century (1600’s) China was accumulating massive gold reserves and by the 18th Century was threatening the economies of the world based on gold reserves.

A conspiracy arose in western countries based around 20 families that utilized the combined resources of the western world to construct the world’s largest drug cartel.  The mission of the drug cartel was to recover the gold reserves amassed by China.  History call this effort the Opiate trade and the Opiate wars.  China officially calls it the 100 years of shame.   The powerful drug cartel had an island where the opium was manufactured and smuggled into China. 

There are two things about that concern me about this part of history.  The first is that there is a picture of the 20 families that gathered together near the end of the Opiate war.  On the front row of this picture is a 12-year-old boy – his name was Franklin Delano Roosevelt.    The second concern is that I cannot find anywhere any documentation or historical reference of the dissolution of that drug cartel.

 

The Traveler  

[NeuroTypical]

So a group successfully pulled off a geopolitical effort to mess with China.  Why the immediate jump to X-files illuminati-esque music and dramatic camera angles?  You gonna start talking about the all-seeing-eye on our dollar bills next?

Look, the human geopolitical system basically runs off of luciferian principles.  The two great commandments here are "thou shalt gain power" and "thou shalt increase power".  It's me against my brother/my family against our town/our town against the state/our state against the nation/our nation against the world. 

Why on earth would anyone want to dissolve a group that had successfully worked it's geopolitical will on a world power?  For that matter, why on earth would someone see anything nefarious, hidden, dark, secret, or anything beyond business as usual in such a story?  The only reason "secret" is a thing in such stories, is because keeping a low profile helps move one of those two great commandments forward.  The very second that secrecy stops being an advantage, it's tossed out the window like a cigarette butt.  (A very worldly analogy for a very worldly topic.  I can't wait for Christ to show up and put an end to all this.)

Perhaps it would help if we think of the word "conspiracy" in the same light as "bowtie" or "noodles".  They exist, they do certain things in certain ways, and there's nothing special or melodramatic about them.

Edited January 24, 2018 by NeuroTypical

[bytebear]

Perhaps because we have been warned by prophets of God of such things.

[anatess2]

2 hours ago, Traveler said:

A little history.  Europe has always loved trading with Asia – in particular China.  But China historically has been an isolated society – Think of the Great Wall.   Few in Western civilization realize but most of western inventions and advancements (example – printing press) took place and was utilized in China hundreds of years previously.  With the Renaissance in Western civilization came increased trade with China – but China did not want anything the West had – except gold.    By the end of the 17th Century (1600’s) China was accumulating massive gold reserves and by the 18th Century was threatening the economies of the world based on gold reserves.

A conspiracy arose in western countries based around 20 families that utilized the combined resources of the western world to construct the world’s largest drug cartel.  The mission of the drug cartel was to recover the gold reserves amassed by China.  History call this effort the Opiate trade and the Opiate wars.  China officially calls it the 100 years of shame.   The powerful drug cartel had an island where the opium was manufactured and smuggled into China. 

There are two things about that concern me about this part of history.  The first is that there is a picture of the 20 families that gathered together near the end of the Opiate war.  On the front row of this picture is a 12-year-old boy – his name was Franklin Delano Roosevelt.    The second concern is that I cannot find anywhere any documentation or historical reference of the dissolution of that drug cartel.

 

The Traveler  

Overly simplified history.  Lots of plot holes and inaccuracies.  It's like a "based on a true story" movie with FDR as the "catch".  Or in other words... great conspiracy theory worthy of a book by Dan Brown. 

 

 

Edited January 24, 2018 by anatess2