Living in the world, but not of the world.

[Emmanuel Goldstein]

Why is it so difficult for members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints to live this doctrine?

1 John, Chapter 2

15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.

16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the prideof life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

17 And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.

[zil]

12 minutes ago, Emmanuel Goldstein said:

Why is it so difficult for members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints to live this doctrine?

Seriously?  You need to ask this?  PS: You could add the entire planet, not just Church members, as if somehow knowing the truth made bacon less tasty.

[Guest MormonGator]

14 minutes ago, Emmanuel Goldstein said:

Why is it so difficult for members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints to live this doctrine?

LDS are incredibly hard on themselves. In fact, I've never seen people who are more wonderful feel more guilty about their lives. The LAST thing they need is someone telling them they don't live up to this or that standard. 

[goor_de]

9 minutes ago, MormonGator said:

LDS are incredibly hard on themselves. In fact, I've never seen people who are more wonderful feel more guilty about their lives. The LAST thing they need is someone telling them they don't live up to this or that standard. 

I see a lot of capitalism in Utha
the people love the luxury
they live with the world
otherwise they would be farmers and craftsmen

[Guest MormonGator]

20 minutes ago, goor_de said:

I see a lot of capitalism in Utha
the people love the luxury
they live with the world
otherwise they would be farmers and craftsmen

Farmers and craftsmen are capitalists too.  Hence why they charge for their services. 

And many, many, many craftsmen and farmers live nice lives. Especially in 2018, where going to a trade school is a far better investment than getting a four year degree. 

[The Folk Prophet]

49 minutes ago, Emmanuel Goldstein said:

Why is it so difficult for members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints to live this doctrine?

1 John, Chapter 2

15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.

16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the prideof life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

17 And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.

 

22 minutes ago, goor_de said:

I see a lot of capitalism in Utha
the people love the luxury
they live with the world
otherwise they would be farmers and craftsmen

<sarcasm>Well, we aren't being judgmental or condemning an entire church AND state at all, now, are we?</sarcasm>

Holier than thou much?

[Overwatch]

[Puts bacon on his already cheese laced egg]

[Gets into his vehicle with premium leather seats]

[Buy his wife gourmet Godiva chocolates]

[Goes to sleep without regret]

Did I mention tithing has been paid? Charity of time and goods has been given? I worked in the medical field? 

The rich judging the poor to be slothful is just as bad as the poor judging the rich or wealthy to be greedy. 

As saints we all know we are rich with the blessings of God. On the same token we all know we are beggars as we plead to Father for daily breath and bread.

With the above being said we ALL fall short at times but thank goodness for the atonement. Without Christ things would be very awful indeed but we are commanded to repent and keep pushing forward. As we repent, renew our covenants and do our best daily we WILL be with our Father again.

[goor_de]

11 minutes ago, The Folk Prophet said:

 

<sarcasm>Well, we aren't being judgmental or condemning an entire church AND state at all, now, are we?</sarcasm>

Holier than thou much?

a saint of the last days is subject to a more severe rating.
that's so.
A hurry of the last days must be a shining example.
not the paint on the car should light up

[Fether]

7 minutes ago, goor_de said:

a saint of the last days is subject to a more severe rating.
that's so.
A hurry of the last days must be a shining example.
not the paint on the car should light up

But driving a nice sports car with a sweet paint job is not against the gospel. 

[Guest MormonGator]

6 hours ago, Fether said:

But driving a nice sports car with a sweet paint job is not against the gospel. 

Right. And envy and jealousy (two core beliefs of socialism) are. 

[The Folk Prophet]

7 hours ago, goor_de said:

a saint of the last days is subject to a more severe rating.
that's so.
A hurry of the last days must be a shining example.
not the paint on the car should light up

saints of means can serve more meaningfully
labor pays in more than mere lucre
a fire cannot shine with want of wood
beaters shine if one will wax on and wax off

[mordorbund]

On 9/24/2018 at 9:58 AM, Emmanuel Goldstein said:

...

Title:

"Living in the world but not of the world"

Scripture you quoted:

"All that is in the world... is of the world"

 

Do you view the meme* in the title as opposed or reconcilable with the scripture you cited? Would you care to comment on that?

 

*happy @Vort? someone used the word to mean something other than "words on picture"

[Emmanuel Goldstein]

8 minutes ago, mordorbund said:

Title:

"Living in the world but not of the world"

Scripture you quoted:

"All that is in the world... is of the world"

 

Do you view the meme* in the title as opposed or reconcilable with the scripture you cited? Would you care to comment on that?

 

*happy @Vort? someone used the word to mean something other than "words on picture"

That is not what verse 16 says. It clearly says: "For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world."

I try not to use ellipses, especially when it changes the meaning of scripture. 

[anatess2]

On 9/24/2018 at 10:26 AM, goor_de said:

I see a lot of capitalism in Utha
the people love the luxury
they live with the world
otherwise they would be farmers and craftsmen

 

On 9/24/2018 at 11:02 AM, goor_de said:

a saint of the last days is subject to a more severe rating.
that's so.
A hurry of the last days must be a shining example.
not the paint on the car should light up

The world needs farmers and craftsmen.  And they need programmers too.  Here you are, pontificating through technology that we, the programmers, built telling us we should be farmers and craftsmen.  The gospel and the words of the prophets can now reach the remotest corner of the planet because of this technology.  This technology would not have been possible without capitalism.  As a matter of fact, the restoration of the gospel would not have been possible without capitalism.

People live luxurious lives because it gives them more opportunities to serve.  A farmer who is worried about how to feed their family dinner does not have the capacity to worry about how to help an entire ward provide for dinner as their bishop.  In the same manner, an investment banker who spends his life worrying about making that next million to the point that he does not have the capacity to worry about the needs of an entire ward as a bishop is unfortunate as well.  But a farmer who makes a meager living can serve in meager ways.  An investment banker who makes millions can serve in million-dollar ways.

Live IN the world but NOT OF the world doesn't mean you reject fortune.  After all, temples don't build themselves from money dropping out of trees.  Rather, the parable of the talents illustrate that you magnify your fortune in the service of the master.

[anatess2]

On 9/24/2018 at 9:58 AM, Emmanuel Goldstein said:

Why is it so difficult for members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints to live this doctrine?

Speak for yourself.

[Emmanuel Goldstein]

2 minutes ago, anatess2 said:

Speak for yourself.

I am speaking generally for that specific reason. I struggle with it every day. Otherwise i would have said, "Why is it so difficult for all the other members, except me to live this doctrine?"

[Traveler]

I am one to criticize a lot about religion - but there is one thing about devout people be they Catholic, Evangelical, Baptist, Islamic, Jewish, Hindu, Buddhist and even Latter-day Saints; despite all the human faults, I have yet to meet anyone devout in any religion that is not better for it.  I know many do not live up to their religious beliefs - in fact few brag about how good they do the things they should - but for myself the biggest disappointment are those that I am sure are as flawed as I am but see it necessary to critic anyone as flawed as themselves.

I am counting on the possibility that anyone that wants into the Celestial Kingdom (despite any flaw) will be welcomed and applauded by everyone else there.   I am thinking the the only flawed people that will not make the Celestial Kingdom are those with the flaw that think they are so much better that they should not have to put up with those that are flawed.  I think there is a place prepared for them that if I could describe - looks a lot like Hell to me.

 

The Traveler

[anatess2]

22 minutes ago, Emmanuel Goldstein said:

I am speaking generally for that specific reason. I struggle with it every day. Otherwise i would have said, "Why is it so difficult for all the other members, except me to live this doctrine?"

I mean speak for yourself... don't paint all members with the same brush.  We don't all struggle with it every day even as we're not perfect.

[goor_de]

21 minutes ago, Emmanuel Goldstein said:

I am speaking generally for that specific reason. I struggle with it every day. Otherwise i would have said, "Why is it so difficult for all the other members, except me to live this doctrine?"

I have a note on my forehead when I'm out of the house. Stand up. Attention, considerate, courteous

[Vort]

1 hour ago, mordorbund said:

*happy @Vort? someone used the word to mean something other than "words on picture"

See my smiling face?