Universal Healthcare

[Tyme]

3 minutes ago, anatess2 said:

The US Political System is a Republic.

The problem with the US economy as "how the states do them now" is these "national proposals" are run by lobbyists to which government depends on to run their elections.  If you've ever wondered why Comcast can survive a free-market economy with the abysmal level of customer service they provide... it's because Comcast has your city council in its backpocket to edge out competition.

Your described tiered economic proposal is basically taking the current problem and making it the standard operating procedure.

Democracy

[Guest]

6 minutes ago, Tyme said:

Democracy

This is exactly the type of behavior that says that the difficulties in communication originate with you rather than others.

[anatess2]

15 hours ago, Carborendum said:

It depends on what rules we're to have it under.  If it is simply going to be the same as we've already had, I don't see the point.  But if we can adopt the behaviors that my other friend and I have used, then it may be a profitable pursuit.

In case you're wondering:  You've outlined a standard format.  But that isn't the same as the rules.  If you're not interested, then you're not interested.

 

15 hours ago, Tyme said:

I’ll let you pick the rules. How nice am I? You get to pick the rules and have biased voters.

Debates with rules is a contest.  A sport.   It's POINTLESS in a forum like we have here.   I can debate ANY SIDE of an argument on that format.  It doesn't do much about the discussion except to prove how good/bad a debater I am.

WE'RE IN A FORUM.  You can debate/argue/discuss to your heart's content without DEBATE RULE LIMITATIONS.  The only way this can remain healthy is that each side takes the default position that the other side is honest in his dealings.  If you get offended by writing style - there are no visual clues as to intent of the writer other than the words typed - rather than the idea/concept presented by the style, you're not going anywhere in that debate.

[anatess2]

16 minutes ago, Tyme said:

Democracy

This post-2016 elections county map illustrates without any doubt that the USA is not designed as a Democracy.  Clinton won the popular vote.  Trump won the electoral vote.  If the US is a Democracy, Clinton would be President and the direction of the country will be decided by the coasts.  The US is a representative Republic though, so Trump won to reflect the will of an equal representation of State Electorates.

Edited November 15, 2018 by anatess2

[Tyme]

7 minutes ago, Carborendum said:

This is exactly the type of behavior that says that the difficulties in communication originate with you rather than others.

You need to watch Frozen again. “Let it go.”

[Tyme]

12 minutes ago, anatess2 said:

This post-2016 elections county map illustrates without any doubt that the USA is not designed as a Democracy.  Clinton won the popular vote.  Trump won the electoral vote.  If the US is a Democracy, Clinton would be President and the direction of the country will be decided by the coasts.  The US is a representative Republic though, so Trump won to reflect the will of an equal representation of State Electorates.

You can’t just change terms to support your position. I believe the term you’re looking for is representative democracy.

[anatess2]

48 minutes ago, Tyme said:

You can’t just change terms to support your position. I believe the term you’re looking for is representative democracy.

Sigh.

I'm Filipino.  But even I was taught American Government.  The US Constitution clearly defines the USA as a Republic, Article 4, Section 4.

https://www.diffen.com/difference/Democracy_vs_Republic

 

Edited November 15, 2018 by anatess2

[Tyme]

14 minutes ago, anatess2 said:

Sigh.

I'm Filipino.  But even I was taught American Government.  The US Constitution clearly defines the USA as a Republic, Article 4, Section 4.

https://www.diffen.com/difference/Democracy_vs_Republic

 

I know that. My point was that it’s referred to as a democracy too? Amirite?

 

[estradling75]

When it comes to the gospel there are tons of scriptures about Charity and Helping the Poor, Needy and Wounded.  There are also tons of scriptures about individuals being free to choose, even if it means choosing wrong.

Those that push Universal Healthcare tend to focus only on the first set.  For any form of Universal Healthcare to pass the gospel standard test it needs to do both parts.  It needs to both help those that need help, it also needs to respect and hold sacred people ability to chose (even if it is the wrong thing).

Now variations of Universal Healthcare have been given and tried, some might even work for awhile, but they all run into the same problem eventually.  Resources run out.  When this happens you either have to stop caring to use less resources, or start forcing people to gain more resources.  That is a failure.  I have yet to see any system that does not have this problem, only systems that have enough resources to hide it for a while.

 

[anatess2]

9 minutes ago, Tyme said:

I know that. My point was that it’s referred to as a democracy too? Amirite?

 

This whole time, you kept on saying that the US form of government is a Democracy.  It is not.  It is a Republic.

"Referred to as a democracy" is a different matter.  "Referred to" is vague.  Referred to by who?  On what context?  So, I'm going to clarify this for you.  Instead of saying "referred to as a democracy" it is clearer (and more accurate) to say that the US Republic is designed under the principles of democracy.

[The Folk Prophet]

2 hours ago, Tyme said:

You need to watch Frozen again. “Let it go.”

Ah yes. Let's all be influenced by Disney's evil philosophies.

[mordorbund]

2 hours ago, Tyme said:

You need to watch Frozen again. “Let it go.”

Maybe you need to watch Frozen again. That song wasn't about Elsa moving on. It was about her no longer holding back and unleashing her whims full force.

[Guest MormonGator]

10 minutes ago, mordorbund said:

Maybe you need to watch Frozen again. That song wasn't about Elsa moving on. It was about her no longer holding back and unleashing her whims full force.

Yup. That song is more misunderstood than "Born in the USA" 

[Guest]

1 hour ago, MormonGator said:

Yup. That song is more misunderstood than "Born in the USA" 

Reagan was among the first to learn that mistake.

[JohnsonJones]

8 hours ago, Carborendum said:

Once upon a time, it was.  But as all socialist systems, give it time and it will wear down the economy because you just can't give that much stuff out for free.  Germany has been conscious of the financial effects of their healthcare system for at least a decade.  But they simply keep plugging along because they don't see a way out of it.

They've taken to raising co-pays and deductibles.  They will continue to get higher.  But in about 25 years, they'll start noticing that their government will be nearly all Muslim run.  Sharia law will take over and bye-bye to their socialized medicine.  So, the Muslims will save the German economy.  All hail Islam for saving a nation's economy.

That doesn't seem too optimistic.

I would say with the influx of refugees it is taxing the healthcare system more than it would normally be taxed and this difficulty is causing lawmakers to think about some difficult decisions.

This is what happens when you bring in a ton of people into your nation rather rapidly.

If Sharia law takes over that's the end of Germany.  I don't think Germans are going to stand for that occurring.

[JohnsonJones]

6 hours ago, anatess2 said:

This whole time, you kept on saying that the US form of government is a Democracy.  It is not.  It is a Republic.

"Referred to as a democracy" is a different matter.  "Referred to" is vague.  Referred to by who?  On what context?  So, I'm going to clarify this for you.  Instead of saying "referred to as a democracy" it is clearer (and more accurate) to say that the US Republic is designed under the principles of democracy.

Democratic Republic

Constitutional Democratic Republic

And now for my purely biased article...

Washington Post - The US is both a Republic and a Democracy

 

[Guest]

27 minutes ago, JohnsonJones said:

That doesn't seem too optimistic.

I would say with the influx of refugees it is taxing the healthcare system more than it would normally be taxed and this difficulty is causing lawmakers to think about some difficult decisions.

This is what happens when you bring in a ton of people into your nation rather rapidly.

If Sharia law takes over that's the end of Germany.  I don't think Germans are going to stand for that occurring.

In case you haven't heard, they've already predicted there will be no more Germany.  The government statistics have said that due to lack of children being born, they believe ethnic Germans above X% (I don't know what percent they said) will no longer be born in about 40 or 50 years.  So, they know they are going extinct.

[SpiritDragon]

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Edited November 16, 2018 by SpiritDragon

[Just_A_Guy]

14 minutes ago, SpiritDragon said:

The Germans sound in need of some leadership....

Maybe not this guy or his methods, but someone with his ability to move people.

Let’s just not even.   

[SpiritDragon]

24 minutes ago, Just_A_Guy said:

Let’s just not even.   

Feel free to remove all traces. I realize that my perspective of separating out characteristics from the monster doesn't mean that the mention of or image of said monster is a good idea. My apologies. 

[Just_A_Guy]

26 minutes ago, SpiritDragon said:

Feel free to remove all traces. I realize that my perspective of separating out characteristics from the monster doesn't mean that the mention of or image of said monster is a good idea. My apologies. 

No, I see where you were going and think it’s actually a valid practice generally.  There’s just something about That Guy in particular that tends to poison internet forum discussions.  

[The Folk Prophet]

22 hours ago, mordorbund said:

Maybe you need to watch Frozen again. That song wasn't about Elsa moving on. It was about her no longer holding back and unleashing her whims full force [evil].

Elsa was supposed to be a full on baddy -- but then the composers wrote that song and they reworked her character. So now instead of a full on baddy, she's just misunderstood, and 'justified' because she belts out a song about it. And now all the little girls sing along and want to be like her. Yay.

[anatess2]

1 minute ago, The Folk Prophet said:

Elsa was supposed to be a full on baddy -- but then the composers wrote that song and they reworked her character. So now instead of a full on baddy, she's just misunderstood, and 'justified' because she belts out a song about it. And now all the little girls sing along and want to be like her. Yay.

Oh no way, Jose.  You're not blaming them Filipinos for this one!

 

[The Folk Prophet]

1 minute ago, anatess2 said:

Oh no way, Jose.  You're not blaming them Filipinos for this one!

 

I'm just reporting. Don't shoot the messenger.

https://twentytwowords.com/the-drastic-change-to-frozens-original-plot-that-made-everyone-love-the-villain/?playbuzz&utm_expid=.vxhYW90WTECoWFAjbpBeeg.1&utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bing.com%2F

[anatess2]

1 minute ago, The Folk Prophet said:

I'm just reporting. Don't shoot the messenger.

https://twentytwowords.com/the-drastic-change-to-frozens-original-plot-that-made-everyone-love-the-villain/?playbuzz&utm_expid=.vxhYW90WTECoWFAjbpBeeg.1&utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bing.com%2F

Grrr... first the I Love You virus, now this one.  My countrymen are ruining the planet.