Is refusing the treatment the same as assisted dying?

[laronius]

7 hours ago, LDSGator said:

 I’m stuck between the “it’s my life, I’ll freely do what I want thanks” and my personal beliefs that it’s giving up and not fighting. I’m so conflicted about it. 

I'll insert some doctrine here.

1 Cor. 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? 20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God’s.

As Elder Maxwell said, the only thing that is uniquely ours is our will. Everything else is God's and we are only stewards. That puts these types of questions squarely in God's court to answer. And I don't think it's a one size fits all answer either. Fortunately we know personal revelation is a thing.

For those who don't know these things I don't blame them for simply wanting to escape the pain. But that doesn't mean I'm going to help them either because I do know better. If we are still here then that means God still wants us here. 

[Traveler]

20 hours ago, LDSGator said:

You are angelic for doing this Trav. 
 

My biggest fear in life, aside from losing LG, is seeing my old man go down like that. 😞 

My father was among the greatest people I have known (along with my mother) – perhaps the greatest.  He had his flaws, but he was a man of covenant and a man of G-d.  I would have thought it would be difficult to see such a great man struggle so in his physical decline.  I lived my life in his shadow – especially to all those that knew him.  But it was a great honor that I would not trade for anything.  I do miss him but beyond that, I have no remorse in his passing nor doubt that he is beloved of and with G-d. 

There were 6 siblings left alive to each take a day to care for him.  Three of my siblings have put aside the sacred covenants under which they were born to seek what they will of this world to their (our parents) disappointment but all my siblings loved our parents and served them in their passing.  And though our hearts are divided as to our religious covenants – there are no divisions among us, and we are a family of both love and honor.  An incredible legacy left to us by our parents that loved and cherished us.  Some of my children have also set aside their sacred covenants under which they were born – hopefully they will overcome difficulties that are among them and that I can leave to them the legacy that was left to me.

 

The Traveler

[Traveler]

19 hours ago, LDSGator said:

The dirty little secret about abortion is that white liberals want abortion clinics in minority neighborhoods, not their own elite neighborhoods for the reason you just described.  
 

They’ll admit it, after a drink or two.

I believe that the greatest dirty little secret about abortion is that there is a very definite racial bias to it.  Even among the minorities.

 

The Traveler

[LDSGator]

7 hours ago, Traveler said:

I believe that the greatest dirty little secret about abortion is that there is a very definite racial bias to it.  Even among the minorities.

 

The Traveler

Yup. 

 

8 hours ago, WhiteRose74 said:

I’m a healthcare law and ethics professor here in the UK and there is a significant difference legally and morally between withdrawal of treatment and actively ending life. In withdrawing or refusing treatment we are simply allowing nature to take its course and we die of the medical condition that we would otherwise treat. The gospel does not require us to accept any medical treatment that is against our conscience or our autonomous choice, nor does require us to artificially prolong life and it is often not ethical to do so. We do not honour the sanctity of life by providing futile treatment or needlessly prolonging pain and suffering, potentially resulting in a situation which actually undermines the dignity of the person and does not honour what we know about the purpose of life. For active worthy members of the church we have both the knowledge of the next life and the assurance of Gods promises, such that we should not needlessly cling to this life out of a fear of death, when our time has come.

Actively seeking to end a life is very different…. Here we are intervening in natural processes and potentially undermining Gods will, and bringing to a premature end the life that God has planned for us. The Assisted Dying Bill would require the person to self administer, so this would essentially be suicide.
 

There is a delicate balance here in experiencing the end of life/ dying process that is part of our life’s journey, with any potential lessons or experiences we may gain along the way, whilst not artificially prolonging it beyond its natural conclusion.

Thank you for this! Welcome to the forums. 

[zil2]

Welcome to ThirdHour, @WhiteRose74!

[LDSGator]

8 hours ago, Traveler said:

My father was among the greatest people I have known (along with my mother) – perhaps the greates

I feel the same way about my parents.

With all the sad stories about bad parents out there it’s nice to hear someone feels the same way I do. 🙂  

[LDSGator]

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/29/world/europe/uk-assisted-dying-bill-vote.html

Well, I guess it law of the land there now if it gets royal assent, which of course it will. 

[HaggisShuu]

13 minutes ago, LDSGator said:

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/29/world/europe/uk-assisted-dying-bill-vote.html

Well, I guess it law of the land there now if it gets royal assent, which of course it will. 

Boo! 

[LDSGator]

5 hours ago, HaggisShuu said:

Boo! 

Sorry bud. 😞

[Carborendum]

On 11/29/2024 at 12:23 PM, HaggisShuu said:

Boo! 

I read that it would only be available for people 18 yrs and older.  I thought the age of majority in Britain was 21 yrs.  So, why do they invoke the age of 18?

[Jamie123]

50 minutes ago, Carborendum said:

I read that it would only be available for people 18 yrs and older.  I thought the age of majority in Britain was 21 yrs.  So, why do they invoke the age of 18?

The age of majority in the UK is 18, and has been since 1969.

[mordorbund]

12 hours ago, Jamie123 said:

The age of majority in the UK is 18, and has been since 1969.

We also have a difficult time getting our women to admit to aging. Many are still "39".

Mutton dressed as lamb indeed.

[Jamie123]

"39 and holding (but starting to lose my grip)"

My favorite though is "21 and a bit"

Edited December 2, 2024 by Jamie123

[Jamie123]

On 11/29/2024 at 6:11 PM, LDSGator said:

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/29/world/europe/uk-assisted-dying-bill-vote.html

Well, I guess it law of the land there now if it gets royal assent, which of course it will. 

I'm not inclined to get too worked up about this. A gut reaction of many is "It's a sin, and you can't legalise sin." Which is total nonsense. There are plenty of sins which are not against the law. Nor should they be. It is a sin to "take the Lord's name in vain", but I don't think many of us would want blasphemy laws reintroduced.

I don't want assisted dying to be a thing, but neither do I want poor old Mr. Harris who for years watched the misery of Mrs. Harris' slow decline, and finally helped put her out of her misery to be put on trial for murder.

It used to be that suicide was a crime, and people sometimes were sent to prison for trying to kill themselves. The first reaction of many people upon finding a half strangled man dangling from a rope having failed to kill himself was not to call the ambulance to have him treated (and hopefully counselled) but to call the police and have him arrested.

Thankfully those days are now over, but critics will point out that suicides have become more common since then. It's all swings and roundabouts.

Edited December 2, 2024 by Jamie123

[zil2]

11 hours ago, mordorbund said:

We also have a difficult time getting our women to admit to aging. Many are still "39".

It's 29. Men!

[laronius]

On 12/2/2024 at 7:14 AM, zil2 said:

It's 29. Men!

And then suddenly they jump to 90 or whenever they start taking pride in being older. There's a lot of living packed into that year.

[Vort]

On 12/2/2024 at 6:14 AM, zil2 said:

It's 29. Men!

*sigh* I used to be a 29 waist. That was back in high school, when I weighed 165. They were definitely not the good old days, but I wouldn't mind borrowing my 18-year-old self for a few weeks.

[Carborendum]

Canada's assisted suicide rate is so high that it is now the #5 cause of death in the country.

[zil2]

1 hour ago, Carborendum said:

Canada's assisted suicide rate is so high that it is now the #5 cause of death in the country.

Exactly.  And apparently, there's no requirement (or it's not being met) to get people counseling first, nope, it's more like a drive-through: "Oh, you want to die, OK, here, let me kill you now."  Sick.

[LDSGator]

3 minutes ago, zil2 said:

Exactly.  And apparently, there's no requirement (or it's not being met) to get people counseling first, nope, it's more like a drive-through: "Oh, you want to die, OK, here, let me kill you now."  Sick.

 

1 hour ago, Carborendum said:

Canada's assisted suicide rate is so high that it is now the #5 cause of death in the country.

Are you sure about that?

 

[LDSGator]

 

According to this it’s only at 4.1%. Which, while still sad, means it’s not even in the top 10

Granted, this is only 2022. It might have skyrocketed in 2023.  

Edited December 4, 2024 by LDSGator