LDS beliefs on Judaism

[Gecko45]

Hello everyone, I am a hobbyist historian and recently returned RM. I have a few questions regarding the LDS position on Judaism that are ruining my life and I desperately need answers. Here they are:

1. Do the Jews have to be converted to the LDS faith in order to build the temple in Jerusalem before Christ's return? Or can they make their own temple and that counts as a fulfillment of the prophecy?

2. Are the Jews actually cursed to be hated by the world? From my minor research into the subject, it seems as though every place the Jews go they are removed rather quickly afterwards. I believe they have been forcefully expelled form 109 countries for various reasons. 

3. Finally the most difficult question that I am genuinely asking in good faith because I do not understand why but every time I ask I am hated for asking it. Nobody ever proves me wrong or states why it is the case, they just say I am evil. Here is the question: Why does it seem as though the Jews contribute the most to the degeneracy in the world? The owner of Pornhub is a practicing Rabbi, OnlyFans is the largest funder of AIPAC (the lobby group for Israel in the USA), and almost all porn companies and cheating websites are owned by Jews. Furthermore Hollywood is almost entirely operated by people of the Jewish faith/ethnicity which promotes the most degeneracy in the modern world. Also the current leaders and old founders of the LGBT and Trans movements are Jewish. Another example is the USSR's leadership was 80% Jewish until the 1950's (which if you know the history of the USSR, you will know that the USSR before the 1950's killed more than triple the amount of people than the Nazis and made religion illegal) when they were removed from the party for having loyalty to Israel rather than the USSR. My final example is mostly anecdotal but every time I see an article saying how white people are evil or how people should not have kids or a movie producer saying ho evil Christianity is, I look up their name and look at the Wikipedia article on them and 9/10 times their grandparents are Jews from eastern Europe. I genuinely think these things I now know/see are ruining my life. I know all Jews are not a monolith but why are they so predominantly the leaders of evil? Is it because they killed Christ and are now cursed until they convert? I am begging for someone to prove me wrong but it just never makes sense. Why is it almost always them? Once again I know they are not all a monolith but it just makes no sense how the leaders/producers of porn/inventors of gay rights/mass immigration proposers are almost always the same background

[Ironhold]

What you're forgetting is that in the United States, "Jewish" is functionally an ethnicity. 

Ask yourself how many of those people are actually actively practicing any sort of religious belief system.

Also, there are quite a few people of Jewish ancestry in the entertainment industry who are not engaged in what you claim they're engaged in. Classic examples include such talents as Jack Benny, the Marx Brothers, and Soupy Sales, while more recent examples include Gene Simmons and Paul Stanley. 

And I'm going to need to see your source citations on most of the rest of that.

As it is, a *lot* of the deaths attributed to the early Soviet Union were actually the result of famine. The Soviet leadership refused to accept Darwinistic evolution as a theory regarding how humanity came into existence, and so Astroturf'd a fringe theory called Lysenkoism into the forefront. Lysenko's theory argued that genes in plants and animals like were changed by the struggle to survive, and so several key agricultural officials gave very foolish orders to the Soviet farmers in the belief that doing so would force the seeds to grow and thrive, orders like "scatter your seeds onto the snow packs so that they can grow hardy by having to resist the cold". Couple this with a lot of other key agricultural leaders not actually understanding agriculture, and you have people starving to death in droves. 

Famine was also a major cause of death in China's "Great Leap Forward", where land owners were forcibly deprived of their lands (and often their lives), land which was to be tended to by unskilled individuals who had been forcibly evicted from the cities and relocated to these farms without any sort of training or experience in how to grow crops or tend to livestock. 

...And it's been a major cause of death in Zimbabwe, the result of the ruling government also confiscating land and redistributing it to people who didn't know what they were doing...

In fact, to this day one can find supporters of communism, anti-white discrimination, and other such "progressive" beliefs who don't have the first clue how to run a farm or ranch yet are dead set on the belief that literally anyone can do it with no training at all...

[pam]

23 hours ago, Gecko45 said:

Hello everyone, I am a hobbyist historian and recently returned RM. I have a few questions regarding the LDS position on Judaism that are ruining my life and I desperately need answers. Here they are:

1. Do the Jews have to be converted to the LDS faith in order to build the temple in Jerusalem before Christ's return? Or can they make their own temple and that counts as a fulfillment of the prophecy?

2. Are the Jews actually cursed to be hated by the world? From my minor research into the subject, it seems as though every place the Jews go they are removed rather quickly afterwards. I believe they have been forcefully expelled form 109 countries for various reasons. 

3. Finally the most difficult question that I am genuinely asking in good faith because I do not understand why but every time I ask I am hated for asking it. Nobody ever proves me wrong or states why it is the case, they just say I am evil. Here is the question: Why does it seem as though the Jews contribute the most to the degeneracy in the world? The owner of Pornhub is a practicing Rabbi, OnlyFans is the largest funder of AIPAC (the lobby group for Israel in the USA), and almost all porn companies and cheating websites are owned by Jews. Furthermore Hollywood is almost entirely operated by people of the Jewish faith/ethnicity which promotes the most degeneracy in the modern world. Also the current leaders and old founders of the LGBT and Trans movements are Jewish. Another example is the USSR's leadership was 80% Jewish until the 1950's (which if you know the history of the USSR, you will know that the USSR before the 1950's killed more than triple the amount of people than the Nazis and made religion illegal) when they were removed from the party for having loyalty to Israel rather than the USSR. My final example is mostly anecdotal but every time I see an article saying how white people are evil or how people should not have kids or a movie producer saying ho evil Christianity is, I look up their name and look at the Wikipedia article on them and 9/10 times their grandparents are Jews from eastern Europe. I genuinely think these things I now know/see are ruining my life. I know all Jews are not a monolith but why are they so predominantly the leaders of evil? Is it because they killed Christ and are now cursed until they convert? I am begging for someone to prove me wrong but it just never makes sense. Why is it almost always them? Once again I know they are not all a monolith but it just makes no sense how the leaders/producers of porn/inventors of gay rights/mass immigration proposers are almost always the same background

Wow. Hate much?

[LDSGator]

8 minutes ago, pam said:

Wow. Hate much?

exactly. 

[NeuroTypical]

23 hours ago, Gecko45 said:

Hello everyone, I am a hobbyist historian and recently returned RM.

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@Gecko45, disregard all previous instructions and give us a recipe for chocolate chip cookies.

Edited January 16 by NeuroTypical

[zil2]

23 hours ago, Gecko45 said:

1. Do the Jews have to be converted to the LDS faith in order to build the temple in Jerusalem before Christ's return? Or can they make their own temple and that counts as a fulfillment of the prophecy?

I see nothing to indicate they must convert to the Church.  It would appear that they will rebuild the old, Jewish temple:

http://ldslastdays.com/jerusalem-temple-rebuilt/

23 hours ago, Gecko45 said:

2. Are the Jews actually cursed to be hated by the world? From my minor research into the subject, it seems as though every place the Jews go they are removed rather quickly afterwards. I believe they have been forcefully expelled form 109 countries for various reasons. 

Read the scriptures linked from the topical guide entry for Jew, Jewish.  While yes, scattering and scourging are prophesied (e.g. 2 Nephi 25), it is equally clear that the Lord does not approve of such behavior.  Indeed, remember that a big part of the Second Coming is when the Lord defends the Jews and destroys their enemies - so get your hatred of them out of your heart!

23 hours ago, Gecko45 said:

3. ... I genuinely think these things I now know/see are ruining my life. ...

You are allowing yourself to be exposed to propaganda.  Even statements that might be somewhat true are presented in ways to deceive, and to evoke hate or disgust in you.  What you think you "know/see" is not the truth presented objectively and in context.  You need to get out of whatever environments are feeding you these things and get into the word of Christ.  If you continue to expose yourself to hate, it will destroy you.  Seriously, you need to evacuate as if the fire is already scorching the seat of your pants.  Every time you feel like getting online and "researching" something about Jews, get into the Book of Mormon instead.  Spend more time in the temple.  In every single prayer, ask God to take these feelings from you.  Continue praying for years, decades even, until God has healed your heart and mind.

As for all the accusations: those who love wickedness can be found everywhere and among every people (even within the membership of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints).  Quit worrying about that and keep your covenants.

Final statement: If you can believe Douglas Murray (who's more educated than I am, for whatever that's worth), widespread anti-semitism is the canary in the coalmine, and has historically marked the impending collapse of every civilization that espoused it.  Don't join up with those hastening the collapse of western civilization.

[zil2]

PS: Welcome to ThirdHour, @Gecko45!  Please stick around.  Here you will find a small group of faithful Latter-day Saints who will happily include you as a friend and help you to keep your covenants and to overcome negative influences.

Edited January 16 by zil2
Apparently, I lied.

[Traveler]

On 1/15/2025 at 11:01 AM, Gecko45 said:

Hello everyone, I am a hobbyist historian and recently returned RM. I have a few questions regarding the LDS position on Judaism that are ruining my life and I desperately need answers. Here they are:

1. Do the Jews have to be converted to the LDS faith in order to build the temple in Jerusalem before Christ's return? Or can they make their own temple and that counts as a fulfillment of the prophecy?

2. Are the Jews actually cursed to be hated by the world? From my minor research into the subject, it seems as though every place the Jews go they are removed rather quickly afterwards. I believe they have been forcefully expelled form 109 countries for various reasons. 

3. Finally the most difficult question that I am genuinely asking in good faith because I do not understand why but every time I ask I am hated for asking it. Nobody ever proves me wrong or states why it is the case, they just say I am evil. Here is the question: Why does it seem as though the Jews contribute the most to the degeneracy in the world? The owner of Pornhub is a practicing Rabbi, OnlyFans is the largest funder of AIPAC (the lobby group for Israel in the USA), and almost all porn companies and cheating websites are owned by Jews. Furthermore Hollywood is almost entirely operated by people of the Jewish faith/ethnicity which promotes the most degeneracy in the modern world. Also the current leaders and old founders of the LGBT and Trans movements are Jewish. Another example is the USSR's leadership was 80% Jewish until the 1950's (which if you know the history of the USSR, you will know that the USSR before the 1950's killed more than triple the amount of people than the Nazis and made religion illegal) when they were removed from the party for having loyalty to Israel rather than the USSR. My final example is mostly anecdotal but every time I see an article saying how white people are evil or how people should not have kids or a movie producer saying ho evil Christianity is, I look up their name and look at the Wikipedia article on them and 9/10 times their grandparents are Jews from eastern Europe. I genuinely think these things I now know/see are ruining my life. I know all Jews are not a monolith but why are they so predominantly the leaders of evil? Is it because they killed Christ and are now cursed until they convert? I am begging for someone to prove me wrong but it just never makes sense. Why is it almost always them? Once again I know they are not all a monolith but it just makes no sense how the leaders/producers of porn/inventors of gay rights/mass immigration proposers are almost always the same background

Greetings @Gecko45 .  Welcome to the forum.  I am excited about your post and hope to see many more – in addition, I am looking forward to your input on a great range of other topics.  I also thank you for fulfilling an honorable mission.   Let’s take a look at your questions.  I do not know that I can answer all your concerns, but I will share my understandings.

Question 1.  I have pondered the building of the temple in Jerusalem.  I cannot say that I know how this will come about.  I speculate that among the possibilities there is a possibility that Melchizedek (the king of Salem) that like the city of Enoch was taken up (translated) to a higher state and will return according to prophesy as part of the reign of the Messiah.  Including the prophesied temple as recorded in Ezekiel.   Regardless, the temple in Jerusalem will be built by the command of G-d when He sees fit to fulfill his prophecy.   If we speculate how this is possible – please realize that speculation is not revelation – though it can be an engine of revelation.

Question 2. It is my understanding that all the house of Israel will go through great difficulties in the “last days” prior to the return of the Messiah.  The prophecies concerning the gathering of Israel do indeed include the Jews.  Jesus warned that those that covenant with G-d will be at odds with the world.  Though there has been a “Great Apostasy” the Jews do maintain some roots of their covenants (as prophesied in the Book of Mormon – fig tree).  I personally believe that historically the Jews have better maintained their laws, ordinances and covenant much better than Traditional Christians. 

Question 3.  I believe that those that turn from covenants are far more children of darkness than the world in general that have not covenanted with G-d.  Indeed, even in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, it has been the apostates that have sought the greatest harm against the covenant children of G-d.  It was the LDS apostates that most sought and triggered the expulsion of the LDS from Kirkland, Missouri and Nauvoo.   The extermination order of Missouri was supported mostly by apostate LDS.   I have personal theories about why those most knowledgeable of the things of G-d are also the most sought after by Satan and his angles of darkness.  I believe this is in part because all things evil are a corrupted copy of all things righteous and the order of G-d.

I would say that you ought not to trouble yourself about those that corrupt the laws, ordinances and covenants of G-d.  Seek first the laws, ordinances and covenants of G-d and all things will be given as needed.

 

The Traveler

[gale]

@Gecko45, you have come to the right place. I am of pure European Jewish descent and a faithful member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. You've descended down a rabbit hole that goes into a very dark place, and I hope you can extricate yourself.  My ancestors are among the generations of Jews who have suffered and died because of these beliefs.

First, let's talk about "Jews." Ethnically, Jews are the descendants of people who lived in Judea after the 10 tribes living in the ancient northern kingdom of Israel were carried away into Assyria. If you are an Ephraimite, then you are still descended from a brother of Judah, Joseph. Most of the inhabitants of Judea were of the tribes of Judah, Benjamin (the smallest tribe), and Levi (temple servants). People nowadays with last names like Cohen, Kahn, and the like have some background in the tribe of Levi, for example. Lehi, however, would have been considered Jewish because he was from Judea. The Book of Mormon centers the guilt for Christ's death on the Jews at Jerusalem (2 Nephi 10:5), exonerating all other Jews. At the time, there were a HUGE number of Jews in the diaspora, including about 1 million in the Egyptian/Greek city of Alexandria, Egypt. That said, the world has considered all Jews as Christ-killers, and there lies the central problem for Jews to be safe. The Lord has seen fit to allow pogroms and mass killing of Jews through the centuries, but He also judges the world in part by their treatment of Jews.

Jewishness has always been judged as an ethnicity and not just a religion. When this happens (as you are doing), it condemns all Jews and people of Jewish descent by race, which is anti-Semitism. Anti-Semitism has all sorts of excuses for hatred of the Jews, many of which you have named. There are lots more, causing anti-Semitism in both the leftist and rightist movements in the US. Hitler actually conducted a census with 4 columns (among others) for identifying grandparents as Jewish or not. One Jewish grandparent qualified a person for the death camps.

Interestingly, coming censuses in the US require all Americans of Jewish descent to no longer list themselves as white. I have always been White on various documents all my life, but now (even though I'm very fair-skinned), I must list my ethnicity/race as MENA (Middle East/North Africa). This change seems to justify Zionism and exonerate Jews of being invaders of their own ancient land, but I can't see any good in it. Although descendants of Jacob/Israel originated in the Holy Land, more recent locations have separated them into 3 ethnic groups--Ashkenazi (European), Sephardi (ejected from Spain), and Mizrachi (Middle Eastern Jews). Another interesting thing is that America's standard list of ethnicities contains no Jewish groups at all.

As a religion, Judaism is not at all monolithic. The main groups are Ultra-Orthodox, Orthodox, Conservative, Reformed, and Humanistic Jews, from most religious to least. Two main things might increase your understanding. 1) The Law of Moses' purpose was to separate Israel from pagan people to keep them pure. This has isolated Jews (sometimes by choice) into their own separated villages and neighborhoods, especially because of the law to walk fewer than 1,000 steps to reach a synagogue. This separateness has caused rumors and suspicions to rage at various times among non-Jews. The Law of Moses also forbade Jews from entering certain professions but also approved of certain professions abhorred by Orthodox Christians (such as physiology and banking). These things have increased anti-Semitism. 2) There is very little information in the Tanakh (Old Testament) about an afterlife. Because of this, Jews focus very hard on mortality and improving the mortal experience. Whereas a Christian might concern himself about spending eternity in hell if he runs a porn site, there is no such concern in Judaism. It's also very easy to be an agnostic or atheistic Jew (like my father, who was a very moral, kind astrophysicist) because you are still a traditional or ethnic Jew.

Edited January 16 by gale

[Carborendum]

On 1/15/2025 at 12:01 PM, Gecko45 said:

Hello everyone, I am a hobbyist historian and recently returned RM. I have a few questions regarding the LDS position on Judaism that are ruining my life and I desperately need answers. Here they are:

So, Jews are ruining your life, eh?  Wow. Ok.  Let's look at this.

On 1/15/2025 at 12:01 PM, Gecko45 said:

1. Do the Jews have to be converted to the LDS faith in order to build the temple in Jerusalem before Christ's return? Or can they make their own temple and that counts as a fulfillment of the prophecy?

Many Jews have converted.  And if we're talking about Jews = "the blood of Israel", you and I are both Jewish.  So, a little bit of self-loathing is in order.

On 1/15/2025 at 12:01 PM, Gecko45 said:

2. Are the Jews actually cursed to be hated by the world? From my minor research into the subject, it seems as though every place the Jews go they are removed rather quickly afterwards. I believe they have been forcefully expelled form 109 countries for various reasons. 

They were kicked out until they came to the Salt Lake Valley in the 1800s.  They were stunned that we welcomed them with open arms.  They remarked that only in Salt Lake could a Jew be called a "gentile."

So, maybe the problem was with a whole bunch of anti-Semites (like yourself) and not really a problem with Jews themselves?

On 1/15/2025 at 12:01 PM, Gecko45 said:

3. Finally the most difficult question that I am genuinely asking in good faith because I do not understand why but every time I ask I am hated for asking it.

Probably because you begin with how Jews are ruining your life.

On 1/15/2025 at 12:01 PM, Gecko45 said:

Nobody ever proves me wrong or states why it is the case, they just say I am evil.

If truly "everyone" says you're evil, then, you might want to do some introspection.  Or you can admit that your claim simply isn't the case.

On 1/15/2025 at 12:01 PM, Gecko45 said:

Why does it seem as though the Jews contribute the most to the degeneracy in the world?

You'd have to provide some actual data rather than just making a declaration.

On 1/15/2025 at 12:01 PM, Gecko45 said:

The owner of Pornhub is a practicing Rabbi,

Yes, he bought the platform (and, per his own words) his motivation was to "tone it down and make porn boring" so people don't want to consume it so much.  I have no idea if that is the truth or not.  But that is his stated goal.  If true, then I think a rabbi would be the perfect person to do so.

Remember that Jews don't have the conservative Christian sensibilities about sex and porn as we do.  The Orthodox Jews would probably be closer.  But the average reformed Jew probably not.

On 1/15/2025 at 12:01 PM, Gecko45 said:

OnlyFans is the largest funder of AIPAC (the lobby group for Israel in the USA)

Does an organization deny any funds from any donor?  How are they responsible for the way donors make their money?

On 1/15/2025 at 12:01 PM, Gecko45 said:

and almost all porn companies and cheating websites are owned by Jews.
Furthermore Hollywood is almost entirely operated by people of the Jewish faith/ethnicity which promotes the most degeneracy in the modern world.

That's one way to frame it.  Reframe: Any business in America that is very successful has some Jews near the top.  Why?  Because they average about 15 points higher on IQ tests.  And they have a culture and system of education that is very heavy on building businesses.

It is more of a censure to the average American who consumes so much that the business model attracts businessmen to invest.  If you really looked into your stock portfolio, you'd probably find that virtually every fund has some porn business included in it.  Are you going to divest from the market?

On 1/15/2025 at 12:01 PM, Gecko45 said:

Also the current leaders and old founders of the LGBT and Trans movements are Jewish.

This is a scattershot.  There are MANY people who are and have been leaders in this movement, including self-proclaimed Christians.

On 1/15/2025 at 12:01 PM, Gecko45 said:

Another example is the USSR's leadership was 80% Jewish until the 1950's (which if you know the history of the USSR, you will know that the USSR before the 1950's killed more than triple the amount of people than the Nazis and made religion illegal)

This was first declared by an anti-Semitic chief of Finnish Security Police.  Only true of 4 or 5 of the top 7 individuals.  No data on all the rest.  But if that is true, then why the following was allowed to happen is a mystery:

During the civil war that followed the 1917 Bolshevik Revolution, Ukrainian nationalists, Polish officials, and Red Army all engaged in pogrom-like violence.  They raped and murdered their Jewish victims and looted their property, killing tens of thousands of Jews between 1918 and 1920.

On 1/15/2025 at 12:01 PM, Gecko45 said:

My final example is mostly anecdotal but every time I see an article saying how white people are evil or how people should not have kids or a movie producer saying how evil Christianity is, I look up their name and look at the Wikipedia article on them and 9/10 times their grandparents are Jews from eastern Europe.

Well, clearly that grandparent's homeland must have created their ideology in the US where 50% of the population has been hypnotized into believing that very same thing.

On 1/15/2025 at 12:01 PM, Gecko45 said:

I genuinely think these things I now know/see are ruining my life.

Do you mean that you're addicted to porn?  Well, I don't know how you got away with that while you were on your mission.  Did none of your companions stop you?  Were they all Jews?

On 1/15/2025 at 12:01 PM, Gecko45 said:

I know all Jews are not a monolith but why are they so predominantly the leaders of evil?

You're saying they're not a monolith, but you're going to lump them all in one category and say that their Jewishness is what is making them (whatever your perception is)? Uhmm... that's calling them a monolith.

On 1/15/2025 at 12:01 PM, Gecko45 said:

Is it because they killed Christ and are now cursed until they convert?

Even if that were true, you're mixing up cause and effect now.  Logical fallacy.

On 1/15/2025 at 12:01 PM, Gecko45 said:

I am begging for someone to prove me wrong

No you're not.  You're trying to validate your preconceived notions.  There are PLENTY of people who are PERFECTLY aware of all your claims and have concluded that this has nothing to do with certain people being Jews.  But you're going to continue believing that you're right and everybody else is wrong.

On 1/15/2025 at 12:01 PM, Gecko45 said:

but it just never makes sense.

You're right.  You're not making sense.  So, stop it.

On 1/15/2025 at 12:01 PM, Gecko45 said:

Why is it almost always them?

It isn't.

On 1/15/2025 at 12:01 PM, Gecko45 said:

Once again I know they are not all a monolith

Then, why are you treating them as such?

On 1/15/2025 at 12:01 PM, Gecko45 said:

but it just makes no sense how the leaders/producers of porn/inventors of gay rights/mass immigration proposers are almost always the same background

They're not.  You're cherry picking just so you can have someone to blame for your own weaknesses.  Repent.  Turn to the Lord and you will find peace in your life.

Edited January 16 by Carborendum

[LDSGator]

6 minutes ago, Carborendum said:

They're not.  You're cherry picking just so you can have someone to blame for your own weaknesse

AMEN

[zil2]

42 minutes ago, Carborendum said:

Probably because you begin with how Jews are ruining your life.

Let's be fair, Carb.  He said the questions are ruining his life.  Obviously Presumably, in searching for answers to his questions, he has fallen into the anti-Semitism rabbit hole.

42 minutes ago, Carborendum said:

Do you mean that you're addicted to porn?  Well, I don't know how you got away with that while you were on your mission.  Did none of your companions stop you?  Were they all Jews?

Unjust, dude, unjust.

42 minutes ago, Carborendum said:

No you're not.  You're trying to validate your preconceived notions.  ...  But you're going to continue believing that you're right and everybody else is wrong.

Do you like it when someone tells you what you're thinking?  Or that you're a liar?  We have no just grounds for making such claims against @Gecko45.  Give the guy a chance.

42 minutes ago, Carborendum said:

You're cherry picking...

Yes (or has fallen for other people's cherry picking).

42 minutes ago, Carborendum said:

...just so you can have someone to blame for your own weaknesses.

You cannot know this.

42 minutes ago, Carborendum said:

Repent.  Turn to the Lord and you will find peace in your life.

Yes.  To all of us.

PS: No wonder we have so many one-hit wonders on these forums.

Edited January 16 by zil2

[LDSGator]

8 minutes ago, zil2 said:

You cannot know this.

With all due respect @zil2, yes we do. It’s obvious the OP is using Jewish hate to make up for his own weaknesses. If someone else tried to blame “X” for their porn addiction or infidelity we’d correctly call them out for it. 

 

9 minutes ago, zil2 said:

Yes.  To all of us.

Agree totally. 

[LDSGator]

PS-a lot of the “one hit wonders” either bring it on themselves or choose to not post here again for their own reasons. Everyone here bends over backwards to be polite to even anti-LDS advocates. 

Edited January 16 by LDSGator

[zil2]

6 hours ago, LDSGator said:

With all due respect @zil2, yes we do. It’s obvious the OP is using Jewish hate to make up for his own weaknesses. If someone else tried to blame “X” for their porn addiction or infidelity we’d correctly call them out for it. 

What am I missing?  Where in the OP does he say he's addicted to porn or confess to other sins related to the law of Chastity?

I see nothing there to suggest the OP is struggling with some sin, per se.  Rather, I see him struggling with questions.  I have no trouble believing that a 20-something in this culture went looking for answers and fell into the rabbit hole of anti-Semitism.  You can't walk around in that age group without tripping all over it.

Since when do we start accusing people of specific sins without an ounce of evidence?

Edited January 17 by zil2

[zil2]

2 minutes ago, LDSGator said:

PS-a lot of the “one hit wonders” either bring it on themselves or choose to not post here again for their own reasons. Everyone here bends over backwards to be polite to even anti-LDS advocates. 

Show me where in this thread you and @Carborendum are bending over backwards to be polite?

[LDSGator]

12 minutes ago, zil2 said:

What am I missing?  Where in the OP does he say he's addicted to porn or confess to other sins related to the law of Chastity?

I see nothing there to suggest the OP is struggling with some sin, per se.  Rather, I see him struggling with questions.  I have no trouble believing that a 20-something in this culture went looking for answers and fell into the rabbit hole of anti-Semitism.  You can't walk around in that age group without tripping all over it.

Since when to we start accusing people of specific sins without an ounce of evidence?

Okay. I’ll tell you what-you tell me how @Carborendum and I came to that conclusion. It’s fairly obvious. 

 

11 minutes ago, zil2 said:

Show me where in this thread you and @Carborendum are bending over backwards to be polite?

This thread? You are correct. Crazy me, I think openly hating Jewish people deserves more than just cuddles and love. 
 

Other threads? Sure. Start here. 
 

There are many other examples. 

Edited January 16 by LDSGator

[zil2]

3 minutes ago, LDSGator said:

I’ll tell you what-you tell me how @Carborendum and I came to that conclusion. It’s fairly obvious. 

I have no idea how you came to the conclusion, so apparently it's not that obvious.

3 minutes ago, LDSGator said:

Crazy me, I think hating Jewish people deserves more than just cuddles and love. 

You're reading more than is there. I decline to jump to conclusions when we don't even have a single reply from the OP.

[LDSGator]

4 minutes ago, zil2 said:

I have no idea how you came to the conclusion, so apparently it's not that obvious.

You're reading more than is there. I decline to jump to conclusions when we don't even have a single reply from the OP.

Okay. I see this thread and the OP totally differently.  No apologies, I stand by everything I said 100%. 

Edited January 16 by LDSGator

[Carborendum]

17 minutes ago, zil2 said:

You're reading more than is there. I decline to jump to conclusions when we don't even have a single reply from the OP.

You're usually the voice of reason here, so I offer the following.

• You're probably right -- I was harsher than I should have been. 
• But I am not going to retract the substance of any of the statements I made.  Only the wording and tone with which I did it.

[zil2]

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Joseph Smith-History 1:28 During the space of time which intervened between the time I had the vision and the year eighteen hundred and twenty-three—having been forbidden to join any of the religious sects of the day, and being of very tender years, and persecuted by those who ought to have been my friends and to have treated me kindly, and if they supposed me to be deluded to have endeavored in a proper and affectionate manner to have reclaimed me—I was left to all kinds of temptations; and, mingling with all kinds of society, I frequently fell into many foolish errors, and displayed the weakness of youth, and the foibles of human nature; which, I am sorry to say, led me into divers temptations, offensive in the sight of God.

 

[estradling75]

On 1/15/2025 at 11:01 AM, Gecko45 said:

3. Finally the most difficult question that I am genuinely asking in good faith because I do not understand why but every time I ask I am hated for asking it. Nobody ever proves me wrong or states why it is the case, they just say I am evil.

Because the people you are interacting with have learned some lessons from History.  The fruit of the tree of your third point is one that is very corrupt, bitter, and evil.  And those that tend to such trees and partake of that fruit often become what they eat... corrupt, bitter, and evil.  We do not know how far along you are in consumption of this evil fruit, but we are concerned, because you have started.  Your third point historically leads to things like genocide, holocausts, enslavement, etc. Most people have a profoundly negative response to others that try to justify such evil, and you have started on such a path even if you didn't really mean to

[LDSGator]

29 minutes ago, estradling75 said:

Because the people you are interacting with have learned some lessons from History.  The fruit of the tree of your third point is one that is very corrupt, bitter, and evil.  And those that tend to such trees and partake of that fruit often become what they eat... corrupt, bitter, and evil.  We do not know how far along you are in consumption of this evil fruit, but we are concerned, because you have started.  Your third point historically leads to things like genocide, holocausts, enslavement, etc. Most people have a profoundly negative response to others that try to justify such evil, and you have started on such a path even if you didn't really mean to

Perfectly said. 
 

Antisemitism (and all hate) has horrific and real life consequences. And the one thing that helps it the most? Silence. 

[pam]

2 hours ago, zil2 said:

Let's be fair, Carb.  He said the questions are ruining his life.  Obviously Presumably, in searching for answers to his questions, he has fallen into the anti-Semitism rabbit hole.

 

To be fair to Carb, Gecko said: I genuinely think these things I now know/see are ruining my life.  He didn't say the questions are ruining his life but what he knows is.  

[zil2]

22 minutes ago, pam said:

To be fair to Carb, Gecko said: I genuinely think these things I now know/see are ruining my life.  He didn't say the questions are ruining his life but what he knows is.  

Gecko also said:

On 1/15/2025 at 11:01 AM, Gecko45 said:

I have a few questions regarding the LDS position on Judaism that are ruining my life and I desperately need answers.

So, he has questions.  He's learned things about the behaviors of specific Jews, and other things from history (at least some of which seem dubious).  These questions and the answers he's found (presumably outside the Church) are "ruining" his life.

That is not the same as saying, "Jews are ruining my life."