LDS beliefs on Judaism

[LDSGator]

19 minutes ago, zil2 said:

So, he has questions.  He's learned things about the behaviors of specific Jews,

I’ve learned things about specific LDS. Michael Beasley and Jeffrey Judd. I now think every LDS is involved in a pyramid scheme and they are ruining my life. 

Sounds ridiculous, doesn’t it? 

[pam]

21 minutes ago, zil2 said:

Gecko also said:

So, he has questions.  He's learned things about the behaviors of specific Jews, and other things from history (at least some of which seem dubious).  These questions and the answers he's found (presumably outside the Church) are "ruining" his life.

That is not the same as saying, "Jews are ruining my life."

I guess it's a matter of interpretation. In his #3, I feel like he is basically saying that because of the things he knows (about Jews) it's ruining his life.  So it's just how I'm interpreting it. 

[LDSGator]

1 minute ago, pam said:

So it's just how I'm interpreting it. 

Same 

[zil2]

9 minutes ago, LDSGator said:

Sounds ridiculous, doesn’t it? 

On 1/15/2025 at 11:01 AM, Gecko45 said:

recently returned RM

  Dude's frontal lobe isn't even done developing.  Maybe he's being ridiculous, maybe he's not.  We don't know enough yet.  You people are as brutal and unforgiving as the LGBTQ+ mob attacking the Southern Baptists.  In the absence of sufficient information you've decided he's a rabid anti-Semite.  In the absence of sufficient information I'm willing to believe maybe he's just a confused kid.

Do you people really think that attacking this kid is going to convince him of anything (other than maybe that this is a hateful place)?  Do you think he'll give you a chance to reason with him and help him understand that he is indeed doing the ridiculous thing that LDSGator demonstrated?  And does all that seem Christlike to you?  What if OP really is a rabid anti-Semite?

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Luke 6:27 ¶ But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you,

28 Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you.

29 And unto him that smiteth thee on the one cheek offer also the other; and him that taketh away thy cloak forbid not to take thy coat also.

30 Give to every man that asketh of thee; and of him that taketh away thy goods ask them not again.

31 And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise.

32 For if ye love them which love you, what thank have ye? for sinners also love those that love them.

33 And if ye do good to them which do good to you, what thank have ye? for sinners also do even the same.

34 And if ye lend to them of whom ye hope to receive, what thank have ye? for sinners also lend to sinners, to receive as much again.

35 But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil.

36 Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful.

37 Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:

38 Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.

You're certainly not helping him to back off that position.  How many scriptures and General Conference talks do I need to quote before you catch on that no matter how awful anti-Semitism is, responding to this kid with unfounded attacks, assuming the worst of him, is not the way to help him or anyone else?

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3 Nephi 18:32 Nevertheless, ye shall not cast him out of your synagogues, or your places of worship, for unto such shall ye continue to minister; for ye know not but what they will return and repent, and come unto me with full purpose of heart, and I shall heal them; and ye shall be the means of bringing salvation unto them.

[LDSGator]

1 hour ago, zil2 said:

  Dude's frontal lobe isn't even done developing.  Maybe he's being ridiculous, maybe he's not.  We don't know enough yet.  You people are as brutal and unforgiving as the LGBTQ+ mob attacking the Southern Baptists.  In the absence of sufficient information you've decided he's a rabid anti-Semite.  In the absence of sufficient information I'm willing to believe maybe he's just a confused kid.

Do you people really think that attacking this kid is going to convince him of anything (other than maybe that this is a hateful place)?  Do you think he'll give you a chance to reason with him and help him understand that he is indeed doing the ridiculous thing that LDSGator demonstrated?  And does all that seem Christlike to you?  What if OP really is a rabid anti-Semite?

You're certainly not helping him to back off that position.  How many scriptures and General Conference talks do I need to quote before you catch on that no matter how awful anti-Semitism is, responding to this kid with unfounded attacks, assuming the worst of him, is not the way to help him or anyone else?

Okay @zil2. I’ve heard all I need to hear. Very sad. Thanks. 

Edited January 17 by LDSGator

[Gecko45]

5 hours ago, zil2 said:

 

You are allowing yourself to be exposed to propaganda.  Even statements that might be somewhat true are presented in ways to deceive, and to evoke hate or disgust in you.  What you think you "know/see" is not the truth presented objectively and in context.  You need to get out of whatever environments are feeding you these things and get into the word of Christ.  If you continue to expose yourself to hate, it will destroy you.  Seriously, you need to evacuate as if the fire is already scorching the seat of your pants.  Every time you feel like getting online and "researching" something about Jews, get into the Book of Mormon instead.  Spend more time in the temple.  In every single prayer, ask God to take these feelings from you.  Continue praying for years, decades even, until God has healed your heart and mind.

Thanks for the response. I have been very far down the rabbit hole. That is why I am losing it. Thanks for your advice instead of just calling me a bot or an antisemite. 

[Gecko45]

5 hours ago, gale said:

Thank you for your time in responding. This helped. I think my hatred comes mainly from the people I am around.

 

[Gecko45]

5 hours ago, Carborendum said:

 

You're saying they're not a monolith, but you're going to lump them all in one category and say that their Jewishness is what is making them (whatever your perception is)? Uhmm... that's calling them a monolith.

Even if that were true, you're mixing up cause and effect now.  Logical fallacy.

No you're not.  You're trying to validate your preconceived notions.  There are PLENTY of people who are PERFECTLY aware of all your claims and have concluded that this has nothing to do with certain people being Jews.  But you're going to continue believing that you're right and everybody else is wrong.

You're right.  You're not making sense.  So, stop it.

It isn't.

Then, why are you treating them as such?

They're not.  You're cherry picking just so you can have someone to blame for your own weaknesses.  Repent.  Turn to the Lord and you will find peace in your life.

Ok, I will admit you actually did help with a lot of my questions except for the LGBT rights one because that one is very obviously wrong. The people that wrote all the first books on LGBT rights, transgender operations, and all of that were Jewish no question. I even watched a few leftist youtubers brag about how progressive the jews were for basically making society accept homosexuality.

No I do not believe EVERY SINGLE ONE is bad but I do think they, as a group are more prone to corrupting society. I am guessing you would agree with this sentiment about Muslims. I am guessing you see that most major terrorist attacks are committed by Muslims but I doubt you have a problem saying we need less islamic immigration into the USA. To add to this, I met a cartel member in Mexico on my mission that had human remains in a bucket in his living room. They were actually his grandma because he was worshiping them but that is besides the point. Point is, the dude had tons of illegal guns and drugs. He was actually a very nice guy and I liked him a lot. However, just because he is a good cartel member doesnt mean I want more of the cartel in my country. The same goes for many groups. I do not want more Chechens in America because they are extremists and hate Christian culture. The Jews also hate christian culture because it has been historically worse to it than Islam. 

And No, i did not look at porn as a missionary. 

Funnily enough, the mexicans I met also referred to the Jews with disdain because they see their actions in Palestine as the same thing the Spaniards did to them 500 years ago. Which is true. 

[Gecko45]

5 hours ago, zil2 said:

Let's be fair, Carb.  He said the questions are ruining his life.  Obviously Presumably, in searching for answers to his questions, he has fallen into the anti-Semitism rabbit hole.

Unjust, dude, unjust.

Do you like it when someone tells you what you're thinking?  Or that you're a liar?  We have no just grounds for making such claims against @Gecko45.  Give the guy a chance.

Yes (or has fallen for other people's cherry picking).

You cannot know this.

Yes.  To all of us.

PS: No wonder we have so many one-hit wonders on these forums.

Thank you for giving me some grace. That last guy was extremely rude. I didn't say the Jews were ruining my life like you said. I said these questions were ruining my life by making me very hateful. If it was just for that guy's comment I would have walked away more radicalized. So thank you for that. 

[Gecko45]

5 hours ago, LDSGator said:

With all due respect @zil2, yes we do. It’s obvious the OP is using Jewish hate to make up for his own weaknesses. If someone else tried to blame “X” for their porn addiction or infidelity we’d correctly call them out for it. 

 

Agree totally. 

I never said the Jews gave me a porn addiction. I am not that much of a loser to blame someone for my own problems. You guys are just straw manning my arguments because you do not want to admit the Jewish influence in porn. Just like people can so easily blame Islam for spreading terrorism and extremism in large part, we can blame Judaism for spreading degeneracy in large part. Even Christ said they were the most wicked people on the planet. What has changed?

[Gecko45]

5 hours ago, LDSGator said:

PS-a lot of the “one hit wonders” either bring it on themselves or choose to not post here again for their own reasons. Everyone here bends over backwards to be polite to even anti-LDS advocates. 

I have read these forums for a long time. I am not here to troll. I made an account to ask some questions. And I am not anti-LDS in the slightest. I would say I am more pro-LDS than most. I am so pro-LDS that I consider Brigham Young to not have made nearly as many mistakes as so many LDS apologists say he did in an effort to bend over to modern moral standards.

[Gecko45]

3 hours ago, LDSGator said:

Perfectly said. 
 

Antisemitism (and all hate) has horrific and real life consequences. And the one thing that helps it the most? Silence. 

I agree. And what grows it? Yelling at me for being antisemitic and a sinner? Accusing me of being a porn addict that wants to put the blame on someone else? You really think that is the answer? I am aware my thoughts are extreme. I think it is largely due to the world going crazy and how the internet has made it extremely easy to get information. Do you call people that have left the church after being radicalized by anti podcasts and other anti social media porn addicted losers as well? Are you always this rude?

Edited January 17 by Gecko45

[Gecko45]

2 hours ago, LDSGator said:

I’ve learned things about specific LDS. Michael Beasley and Jeffrey Judd. I now think every LDS is involved in a pyramid scheme and they are ruining my life. 

Sounds ridiculous, doesn’t it? 

You are misinterpreting what I said. Once again, when people leave the church and claim their lives are ruined because of it, is it the church that actually ruined their lives or their perception of the church that ruined their lives? It is their perception. They think the church is an evil cult that stole all their money and time when in reality it isn't. Like that, the jews did not ruin my life. What is ruining my life is that I keep seeing and hearing how they are ruining the world and it makes me lose my mind that we are letting it happen because America is run by dispensationalists that believe modern day israel is God's country and needs to be protected at all costs despite Israel stealing our stuff (F-35 plans), killing our people (USS Liberty), and being the most openly gay country in the world (Tel Aviv is also the gayest city in the world). If you get angry about "cultural Marxism" or how corrupt society is getting my some malicious force, whether it be communists, mass immigration, right wingers, athiests etc than you are in my same boat. I am angry that we are getting fooled into destroying our own country to support a country (which from what I have seen) is worse than China. How you probably see satanists or communists is how I see the jews. I do not want to think this. I wish i never had social media or the internet to influence me like this. You do not understand that I am not some racist that came on here to bash jews. I came on here because how I view them is turning me into a monster. At this point I dont even care if it is all true. I just want to live in bliss again and never have these thoughts anymore.

Edited January 17 by Gecko45

[CV75]

On 1/15/2025 at 1:01 PM, Gecko45 said:

Hello everyone, I am a hobbyist historian and recently returned RM. I have a few questions regarding the LDS position on Judaism that are ruining my life and I desperately need answers. Here they are:

1. Do the Jews have to be converted to the LDS faith in order to build the temple in Jerusalem before Christ's return? Or can they make their own temple and that counts as a fulfillment of the prophecy?

2. Are the Jews actually cursed to be hated by the world? From my minor research into the subject, it seems as though every place the Jews go they are removed rather quickly afterwards. I believe they have been forcefully expelled form 109 countries for various reasons. 

3. Finally the most difficult question that I am genuinely asking in good faith because I do not understand why but every time I ask I am hated for asking it. Nobody ever proves me wrong or states why it is the case, they just say I am evil. Here is the question: Why does it seem as though the Jews contribute the most to the degeneracy in the world? The owner of Pornhub is a practicing Rabbi, OnlyFans is the largest funder of AIPAC (the lobby group for Israel in the USA), and almost all porn companies and cheating websites are owned by Jews. Furthermore Hollywood is almost entirely operated by people of the Jewish faith/ethnicity which promotes the most degeneracy in the modern world. Also the current leaders and old founders of the LGBT and Trans movements are Jewish. Another example is the USSR's leadership was 80% Jewish until the 1950's (which if you know the history of the USSR, you will know that the USSR before the 1950's killed more than triple the amount of people than the Nazis and made religion illegal) when they were removed from the party for having loyalty to Israel rather than the USSR. My final example is mostly anecdotal but every time I see an article saying how white people are evil or how people should not have kids or a movie producer saying ho evil Christianity is, I look up their name and look at the Wikipedia article on them and 9/10 times their grandparents are Jews from eastern Europe. I genuinely think these things I now know/see are ruining my life. I know all Jews are not a monolith but why are they so predominantly the leaders of evil? Is it because they killed Christ and are now cursed until they convert? I am begging for someone to prove me wrong but it just never makes sense. Why is it almost always them? Once again I know they are not all a monolith but it just makes no sense how the leaders/producers of porn/inventors of gay rights/mass immigration proposers are almost always the same background

1. Whatever temple activity is done, and how, must be in concert with the First Presidency and under the auspices of the restored keys. Conversion is required for accomplishing anything with faith in Christ, and this is the aim of all the prophecies.

2. The Jews are treated as prophesied, in some ways well and other ways badly.

3. I would suggest reading books that address these very questions and several other issues from a Jewish person’s perspective, for example, “Uncomfortable Conversations with a Jew,” by Emmanuel Acho and Noa Tishby. The bibliography may be more helpful than the book itself because it provides scholarly research into these topics, but it is a good primer on these subjects.

[LDSGator]

1 hour ago, Gecko45 said:

Are you always this rude?

Actually, yes, and if you read the forums as much as you day you do, you should know that. 

I’ll tell you what-I hope you are just a kid. Then there is still time to grow. 

We all have pet issues. When someone posts things talking about “the jews” like you did, yup. People are going to believe the speaker is anti-Semitic. Regardless of age, mental state, or intent. Take it as a lesson unless you want people to think of you like that. Especially if you aren’t actually anti Jewish*.
 

And, some of us (me) care about the forum, and the reputation of the LDS church. The last thing I want is people to come here and walk away with the idea that we’re a bunch or bigots, excuse bigotry, etc. 

If that means having to be considered “rude” (I wasn’t, but anyway) I’m totally fine with that. 
 

*I’m not sure if you are. Most people who speak like how you did are though. 

 

Edited January 17 by LDSGator

[zil2]

1 hour ago, Gecko45 said:

Thanks for the response.

You're welcome!

1 hour ago, Gecko45 said:

I have been very far down the rabbit hole. That is why I am losing it.

1 hour ago, Gecko45 said:

Thank you for your time in responding. This helped. I think my hatred comes mainly from the people I am around.

Get out! And get away from these people.  Maybe you can be a positive influence on them at some point in the future, but right now, they're the ones doing the influencing.  You cannot help others until you yourself are on a firm footing.  You know what to do, so be brave and humble, and do it!

1 hour ago, Gecko45 said:

Thanks for your advice instead of just calling me a bot or an antisemite. 

You're welcome.  We all struggle with something.

1 hour ago, Gecko45 said:

No I do not believe EVERY SINGLE ONE is bad but I do think they, as a group are more prone to corrupting society. I am guessing you would agree with this sentiment about Muslims. I am guessing you see that most major terrorist attacks are committed by Muslims but I doubt you have a problem saying we need less islamic immigration into the USA. To add to this, I met a cartel member in Mexico on my mission that had human remains in a bucket in his living room. They were actually his grandma because he was worshiping them but that is besides the point. Point is, the dude had tons of illegal guns and drugs. He was actually a very nice guy and I liked him a lot. However, just because he is a good cartel member doesnt mean I want more of the cartel in my country. The same goes for many groups. I do not want more Chechens in America because they are extremists and hate Christian culture. The Jews also hate christian culture because it has been historically worse to it than Islam. 

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Funnily enough, the mexicans I met also referred to the Jews with disdain because they see their actions in Palestine as the same thing the Spaniards did to them 500 years ago. Which is true. 

You've been watching too much of the wrong media / videos / podcasts / whatevers without viewing the other side.  A huge percentage of the content of the internet isn't news or information - it's extremist propaganda - on all sides.  If someone out there is reporting objectively on anything, I haven't found them.

1 hour ago, Gecko45 said:

You are misinterpreting what I said. Once again, when people leave the church and claim their lives are ruined because of it, is it the church that actually ruined their lives or their perception of the church that ruined their lives? It is their perception. They think the church is an evil cult that stole all their money and time when in reality it isn't. Like that, the jews did not ruin my life. What is ruining my life is that I keep seeing and hearing how they are ruining the world and it makes me lose my mind that we are letting it happen because America is run by dispensationalists that believe modern day israel is God's country and needs to be protected at all costs despite Israel stealing our stuff (F-35 plans), killing our people (USS Liberty), and being the most openly gay country in the world (Tel Aviv is also the gayest city in the world). If you get angry about "cultural Marxism" or how corrupt society is getting my some malicious force, whether it be communists, mass immigration, right wingers, athiests etc than you are in my same boat. I am angry that we are getting fooled into destroying our own country to support a country (which from what I have seen) is worse than China. How you probably see satanists or communists is how I see the jews. I do not want to think this. I wish i never had social media or the internet to influence me like this. You do not understand that I am not some racist that came on here to bash jews. I came on here because how I view them is turning me into a monster. At this point I dont even care if it is all true. I just want to live in bliss again and never have these thoughts anymore.

Candace Owens may not be the most objective person to believe on this matter.  Go watch some Douglas Murray to get another view.  (Or just quit watching this stuff and hanging out with people who eat it up.)

 

I'm inviting you to read the chapter headings for Alma 1-3, and then to read all of Alma 4.  The culture and church are becoming corrupted.  Note what Alma does in response to the corruption around him.  Ponder and pray about that for a while.

Seriously, Brother Gecko, take yourself out of this environment and strengthen your Spirit for a while.

[NeuroTypical]

Hi @Gecko45.  Glad to hear you're not one of the AI bots we struggle with on this board.

I wonder how you balance your faithful pro-LDS claims with your anti-Jewish opinions.  I'm assuming you know to which tribe of Israel you belong, from which you receive the Abrahamic covenant.

Can I ask where you went on your mission?  I find it odd that someone with such antisemitic notions didn't find them tempered any during your mission.  Ofttimes folks who have grown up surrounded by certain people and viewpoints will find those viewpoints challenged when they do things like go live somewhere else and devote their lives to preaching the gospel.

[Vort]

On 1/15/2025 at 10:01 AM, Gecko45 said:

Hello everyone, I am a hobbyist historian and recently returned RM.

 

Hi, Gecko, and welcome. I am not a hobbyist historian, so my knowledge of history is limited to an unimpressive general education and whatever I might Google up. But I'm happy to try to help. And welcome home from your mission! I hope it was an ennobling experience for you.

On 1/15/2025 at 10:01 AM, Gecko45 said:

I have a few questions regarding the LDS position on Judaism that are ruining my life and I desperately need answers. Here they are:

Obviously, I can't speak for the Church, but I'll offer whatever insights I can.

The first insight is this: Such questions should not ruin your life. As you taught on your mission, a testimony is a revelation from God to your spirit and your mind and/or heart. If your testimony is firm and is the foundation of your faith, you begin to become unshakeable. Such questions might be a curiosity to you, but they should not threaten that foundation, and certainly should not ruin your life. So before you worry too deeply about these questions regarding Jews, I would suggest that you reestablish your own foundation. If you're investigating these questions in a panic and with a feeling that your life is in the process of ruination, you will find it difficult or impossible to be guided by the Spirit.

On 1/15/2025 at 10:01 AM, Gecko45 said:

1. Do the Jews have to be converted to the LDS faith in order to build the temple in Jerusalem before Christ's return? Or can they make their own temple and that counts as a fulfillment of the prophecy?

My reasoning is thus: Solomon's Temple was recognized as a temple and as a holy edifice even when it was desecrated. A "temple" is from the Latin word templum, which means "consecrated space". What makes a space consecrated or hallowed? In the Church, we would say that God does so, but normal usage of the word allows people to simply agree that a place is hallowed, even without a formal Priesthood ordinance or prayer. So in this sense, I would say that, yes, the Jews could certainly build a temple to the Lord.

The other side of the coin is that a temple that is hallowed by God will certainly, undoubtedly be constructed under the auspices of God's kingdom (the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints) and will be dedicated and consecrated by the power of the Lord's Priesthood, which does not exist among men outside the kingdom of God. So to have a working, functional temple in any real sense (that is, whether or not it e.g. offers the endowment or proxy work for the dead) requires the involvement of the Church.

So depending on what must take place at what time, the answer could be either way.

On 1/15/2025 at 10:01 AM, Gecko45 said:

2. Are the Jews actually cursed to be hated by the world? From my minor research into the subject, it seems as though every place the Jews go they are removed rather quickly afterwards. I believe they have been forcefully expelled form 109 countries for various reasons.

Cursed by whom? By men? Absolutely. The Jews have been cursed and hated for literally thousands of years. Or do you mean a divine curse? No, I disbelieve that Jews as a group have been cursed by God. On the contrary, they are a covenant people. To the extent that the Jewish nation (meaning the people of the world called Jews, not necessarily the modern state of Israel) may not have kept its covenants with God, it's possible that they have suffered, and perhaps continue to suffer, the effects of a broken covenant. But the idea that God has somehow ordained the Jews to be cast out and persecuted through the ages? No way. I don't believe that for a moment.

The historic persecution of the Jews is evidence that sinful, fallen mankind acts in a sinful and fallen way. It can be seen as evidence that those who follow Satan are taught to vilify and reject the people and the things of God. I think it's a grave error to suppose that the Jews are suffering because they are cursed by God or did such evil things two thousand years ago.

On 1/15/2025 at 10:01 AM, Gecko45 said:

3. Finally the most difficult question that I am genuinely asking in good faith because I do not understand why but every time I ask I am hated for asking it. Nobody ever proves me wrong or states why it is the case, they just say I am evil. Here is the question: Why does it seem as though the Jews contribute the most to the degeneracy in the world? The owner of Pornhub is a practicing Rabbi, OnlyFans is the largest funder of AIPAC (the lobby group for Israel in the USA), and almost all porn companies and cheating websites are owned by Jews. [etc]

It seems like that because that is how many of those who hate Jews have framed the issue. The examples you give are false or out of context. For example, Pornhub is owned by Mindgeek, the owners of many pornography websites. Mindgeek (now called Aylo) is not owned by a rabbi. It was created by a German businessman named Fabian Thylmann, who as far as I can tell is not Jewish. OnlyFans is owned by Leonid Radvinsky, a Ukrainian with a name that could possibly be Jewish, but I can't find evidence that he is Jewish. In any case, Radvinsky has publicly denied that he either made or pledged the supposed $11 million donation to AIPAC.

Jews are vastly overrepresented in many areas of creativity and high intelligence, in Hollywood and in professions such as law and medicine. This can be explained by a wide variety of social and historical factors, but to my mind it is best explained by a biological factor: Jews as a group are more intelligent than other people. Not just a little bit more intelligent, either. Ashkenazi Jews, those found in eastern Europe, have been shown to test a full 15 IQ points—one standard deviation—above the population at large in Europe and the US. That is, where the average IQ is set at 100, Ashkenazi Jews test on average at 115. This is an enormous difference. It means that the average Jewish school pupil is as smart as the "smart people" in a given class. That means that:

• About half of a Jewish population will test in the top 15% of worldwide intelligence. Half. In the top 15%.
• Something over two-sevenths of Jews will test in the top 2% of worldwide intelligence. Top 2% of achievers? That group will include 15% of all Jews.
• Find the one-in-a-thousand people, those whose IQs test at or above 99.9% of everyone else. Call this group the One-In-A-Thousanders. Of a random group of a thousand people (non-Jews), on average only ONE will be in this group. Now, take a random group of a thousand Jews. How many do you suppose will be in the One-In-A-Thousander group? Answer: On average, about 23 Jews in that group of 1000.

Is it any wonder that Jews are now (and historically have always been) very heavily overrepresented in positions requiring high intelligence and high achievement?

I have a son that attended a fancy-pants, big-time law school. About half of his professors were Jewish. This is not a coincidence. Nor is it coincidence that among the famous physicists of the 20th century (surely the most amazing century of all recorded history for brilliant physicists), Of sixteen outstanding physicists in the 20th century that I can think of off the top of my head, ten were Jewish: Einstein, Feynman, Oppenheimer, Landau, Bethe, Wigner, von Neumann, Bohr, Pauli, and Gell-Mann.

That's simply mind-boggling. I don't know what else to call it.

The Jews are the ancient covenant people of God. They are a people of singular and amazing ability. Those who have such gifts can use those gifts for great good or for great evil, so we should not be surprised to find such people well represented on both sides of the fence. But I urge you to divest yourself of feelings of hatred or rage or anger toward Jews. Whatever certain individuals may or may not do, the Jewish people as a group do not merit your dislike. They have suffered from the hatred of others and from the evils arising from that hatred for literally millennia.

Remember, Jesus was a Jew. So were literally all of His disciples during His mortal ministry. These are the historic people of God, people of the covenant, the people with whom we are adopted in to the family of God.

Not sure why your questions generated such antipathy among so many here, most of whom are normally quite rational and kind in their dealings with others. I guess perceived anti-Semitism really rubs some people the wrong way. In any case, I hope my words were of some use to you. And again, welcome!

[laronius]

On 1/15/2025 at 11:01 AM, Gecko45 said:

I know all Jews are not a monolith but why are they so predominantly the leaders of evil? Is it because they killed Christ and are now cursed until they convert? I am begging for someone to prove me wrong but it just never makes sense. Why is it almost always them? Once again I know they are not all a monolith but it just makes no sense how the leaders/producers of porn/inventors of gay rights/mass immigration proposers are almost always the same background

Does it matter? No. Here's what matters:

Matt 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you.

D&C 64:9 Wherefore, I say unto you, that ye ought to forgive one another; for he that forgiveth not his brother his trespasses standeth condemned before the Lord; for there remaineth in him the greater sin. 10 I, the Lord, will forgive whom I will forgive, but of you it is required to forgive all men.

This may not answer what you asked. But they are far more important than what you asked.

[estradling75]

10 hours ago, Vort said:

Jews are vastly overrepresented in many areas of creativity and high intelligence, in Hollywood and in professions such as law and medicine. This can be explained by a wide variety of social and historical factors, but to my mind it is best explained by a biological factor: Jews as a group are more intelligent than other people. Not just a little bit more intelligent, either. Ashkenazi Jews, those found in eastern Europe, have been shown to test a full 15 IQ points—one standard deviation—above the population at large in Europe and the US. That is, where the average IQ is set at 100, Ashkenazi Jews test on average at 115. This is an enormous difference. It means that the average Jewish school pupil is as smart as the "smart people" in a given class. That means that:

Which explains all the "Facts" that the OP has presented with no deeper meaning.  Lots of people hate those that are smarter then they are, more so if they end up on the bad side of some deal or arrangement.  The rest of the OP claims are opinions which are not subject to being disproven, and wild speculation and assumptions that do not have enough facts to support them.   The Jew are like any other group they have good people and they have bad people there is nothing special about that.  As for porn.. we as church members are the odd ones on that subject... the rest of the world (including Jews) do not have our understanding or opinion on it.  To them it is just another job/business/chance to make money.

 

[LDSGator]

12 hours ago, Vort said:

I guess perceived anti-Semitism really rubs some people the wrong way.

Correct. 

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c9wkxv9d99vo.amp

It’s coming back with a vengeance too.  

Edited January 17 by LDSGator

[Gecko45]

14 hours ago, NeuroTypical said:

Hi @Gecko45.  Glad to hear you're not one of the AI bots we struggle with on this board.

I wonder how you balance your faithful pro-LDS claims with your anti-Jewish opinions.  I'm assuming you know to which tribe of Israel you belong, from which you receive the Abrahamic covenant.

Can I ask where you went on your mission?  I find it odd that someone with such antisemitic notions didn't find them tempered any during your mission.  Ofttimes folks who have grown up surrounded by certain people and viewpoints will find those viewpoints challenged when they do things like go live somewhere else and devote their lives to preaching the gospel.

I went to Mexico City on my mission. I love mexicans. They are great people. I think I got more radicalized on my mission because the Mexicans also hate the jews a lot. And I am not sure how I got so radicalized when, in theory, I should be way less radical. I have visited more than 35 countries and I lived in England for most of my youth. I guess after seeing how gutted Europe was I turned that anger to the fact that after ww2, europe wanted to be the opposite of the nazis and just let in millions of africans which quickly turned the continent into a dumpster fire. It is not because of race but rather culture. I do not believe cultures that are very different mix well. 

[NeuroTypical]

Someone in their early '20's, who has visited more than 35 countries, and moved from England to Idaho?  I don't think I've ever heard a story like that.  Please tell us more about your upbringing.

[Vort]

13 minutes ago, Gecko45 said:

I guess after seeing how gutted Europe was I turned that anger to the fact that after ww2, europe wanted to be the opposite of the nazis and just let in millions of africans which quickly turned the continent into a dumpster fire.

Our view of WWII as a black-and-white affair with the Nazis playing the heavies and the Allies wearing the white hats is, to say the least, naive. There was immense profit-taking during WWII, and I mean on the Allied side. The cost of the two great European-centered wars of the 20th century was the atheization of Europe, which had already taken definite steps toward such in the 19th century. WWI and WWII sealed the deal, especially in France and Germany, but really throughout Europe. Religion in general and Catholicism specifically did not just go away, of course. But today, we have three generations of Europeans raised, in effect and for the most part, without religion. I will leave it as an exercise for the reader to determine whether Europe and the world at large are better off for this.

But for the record, allowing millions of African immigrants into Europe was not what has turned much of Europe into a dumpster fire. I met many African immigrants during my mission to Italy in '83-'84, and most of them were humble, sincere people just trying to figure out how to get by. It's more complex than this, of course, but simply laying the blame for Europe's many woes at the feet of African immigrants is wrong.

[Vort]

19 minutes ago, NeuroTypical said:

Someone in their early '20's, who has visited more than 35 countries, and moved from England to Idaho?  I don't think I've ever heard a story like that.  Please tell us more about your upbringing.

For a European to say that he has visited "more than 35 countries" is not too different from an American saying that he has visited "more than 35 states". It's a lot, but not unbelievable.