Vort Posted October 7, 2015 Report Posted October 7, 2015 I think that the church should be representative of the people that they lead. Leadership should be a reflection of this. I sustain our leaders, but we are not a SLC church anymore we are global. It's sad that the leaders in Salt Lake City don't have access to your wisdom. pam and EarlJibbs 2 Quote
The Folk Prophet Posted October 7, 2015 Report Posted October 7, 2015 People, I tell ya. Do you know that in the companies my husband worked for, they get Diversity Management Training in which they are blatantly taught to hire the "colored" or female or LGBT person even if their resume is not as impressive as the white or Asian dudes? Yeah, drives me bananas too that Asian is not diverse enough for the American workplace either. Too many East Indians, I guess. But yeah, you're supposed to be able to tell that a person is LGBT in a behavioral or technical interview... they actually get trained for that. And, as long as their resume meets the basic requirements for the job, they get preference over the white boys. So what you're saying is...affect a lisp in your interviews and it will go a long way towards your employment opportunities. Gotchya. Quote
omegaseamaster75 Posted October 7, 2015 Report Posted October 7, 2015 It's sad that the leaders in Salt Lake City don't have access to your wisdom.They know what they are doing. They don't need me. It's no small coincidence that with the exception of 3-5 guys the quorum of the 12 and first presidency are all related or their wives are related in some way to a former GA, former apostle or former president of the church. Just sayin..... Quote
The Folk Prophet Posted October 7, 2015 Report Posted October 7, 2015 Leadership should be a reflection of this. Wrong. Quote
pam Posted October 7, 2015 Report Posted October 7, 2015 Personally I think that many of the men and women who serve in leadership positions in their native countries are needed far more where they are than sitting in Salt Lake City. They can better serve the members being where they are. The Lord needs them there as well. theSQUIDSTER, carlimac, Backroads and 1 other 4 Quote
Just_A_Guy Posted October 7, 2015 Report Posted October 7, 2015 (edited) There are at least two institutional factors that might limit the "diversity" that is practical amongst the Q12: 1. Not all passports are created equal. Passports from the UK, the US, Sweden and many other "first-world" nations allow you to travel far more widely than--say--a passport from Ethiopia, Pakistan, or Nepal. For an apostle with a theoretically global ministry--this has consequences.2. The LDS Church's legal property-holding entities are structured as corporations sole. This is a unique and slightly archaic corporate structure that isn't recognized in many jurisdictions--basically, it means that properties held in the name of the Corporation of the President of the LDS Church are, in theory, sole property of the prophet himself. If you did get a non-American GA who ultimately became the prophet** (or, for that matter, if a non-American became the Presiding Bishop, since the PB runs a separate corporation sole holding profit-generating Church entities)--I don't know what would happen legally; but I can visualize a scenario where his national government comes after him in tax court for a cut of the Church's assets. Especially if the prophet came from some kleptocracy in--say--central Asia or western Africa. **Pres. Uchtdorf is actually now a naturalized US citizen. He retains dual citizenship; but I wouldn't be too surprised to see him renounce his German citizenship if he ever became the president of the church. Edited October 7, 2015 by Just_A_Guy Vort 1 Quote
Guest Posted October 7, 2015 Report Posted October 7, 2015 I think the church needs to become more diverse. However, I do not think this means what most think it means. One of the greater efforts for diversity is to call missionaries to cultures to which they are unfamiliar. I believe one of the greatest and more positive influences for diversity within the LDS community is to extend calls of missionary service to the young ladies of the church. I believe this to have a far more positive experience in diversity than the calls of apostles.My concern is that they will water down the teachings in the name of "diversity" Book of Mormon accounts seem to reveal that the roots of the Nephites' problems were within rather than from without. I wonder if there is an applicable lesson for us in the context of worrying about influences that may or may not exist in the name of diversity. Quote
Guest MormonGator Posted October 7, 2015 Report Posted October 7, 2015 (edited) nope Im right Dude, Folk Prophet hates me and we disagree on everything. He's a cat guy, I'm a dog guy. He likes FSU, I don't. He's a Beatles fan, I'm a Stones fan. When him and I agree on something, it's probably a a good idea to rethink it. He is exactly right about this. Edited October 7, 2015 by MormonGator Quote
The Folk Prophet Posted October 7, 2015 Report Posted October 7, 2015 nope Im right Except you're not because what you're claiming is exactly contrary to the church, the gospel, and it's teaching and truths about who is called of God and why. So the only way you can legitimately claim being right is by denying the truth and reality of what is scriptural, policy, principle, and everything ever said on the matter, concerning how and why church leadership works. So cast that off and go on reveling in your personal philosophies believing your superior understanding supersedes all we have ever been taught on the matter. Go ahead. No one's stopping you. Just don't expect us to believe you. Quote
The Folk Prophet Posted October 7, 2015 Report Posted October 7, 2015 He's a cat guy, I'm a dog guy. Um..... No. My wife's the cat person. I put up with them. Fortunately she's a dog person too, so we have 2 of those as well. The cat's are...fine. Quote
pkstpaul Posted October 7, 2015 Report Posted October 7, 2015 So cast that off and go on reveling in your personal philosophies believing your superior understanding supersedes all we have ever been taught on the matter. Go ahead. No one's stopping you. Just don't expect us to believe you."In word and coversation" Quote
Guest MormonGator Posted October 7, 2015 Report Posted October 7, 2015 (edited) . I put up with them. Same here pal. You are a better man that I am. I don't like cats at all. Thank goodness LadyGator shares that opinion! Edited October 7, 2015 by MormonGator Quote
The Folk Prophet Posted October 7, 2015 Report Posted October 7, 2015 Folk Prophet hates me All joking aside...let's be clear about this... let's not put such unfair things upon one another. Quote
Guest MormonGator Posted October 7, 2015 Report Posted October 7, 2015 All joking aside...let's be clear about this... let's not put such unfair things upon one another. I agree, it was tongue in cheek to prove a point. Quote
The Folk Prophet Posted October 7, 2015 Report Posted October 7, 2015 I agree, it was tongue in cheek to prove a point. I know. I only felt the need to clarify for the sake of some innocent coming into the forum anew and, perhaps, misunderstanding the joke. All is well between you and me. Quote
Guest MormonGator Posted October 7, 2015 Report Posted October 7, 2015 All is well between you and me. Totally agree my friend. Quote
NeuroTypical Posted October 7, 2015 Report Posted October 7, 2015 Fun tidbit - Back in the early 2000's, my rebel niece was filling out college forms one day, and checked the 'other' box under race, and wrote in "mutt". She then had to spend no small amount of time turning down offers for financial aid due to her minority status. In some cases, they just signed her up for benefits and reduced rates and stuff without asking her. We all come from Scotland, with maybe a little Irish and English. Windseeker 1 Quote
Vort Posted October 7, 2015 Report Posted October 7, 2015 Fun tidbit - Back in the early 2000's, my rebel niece was filling out college forms one day, and checked the 'other' box under race, and wrote in "mutt". She then had to spend no small amount of time turning down offers for financial aid due to her minority status. In some cases, they just signed her up for benefits and reduced rates and stuff without asking her. Some decades ago, I was talking to a European and an Asian. They asked my ancestral background, and I said something like "mongrel" or "mutt". They were taken aback that I would describe myself using such animalistic, subhuman terms. It didn't help matters when I casually replied that pretty much all Americans were "mutts". NeuroTypical 1 Quote
pam Posted October 7, 2015 Report Posted October 7, 2015 They know what they are doing. They don't need me. It's no small coincidence that with the exception of 3-5 guys the quorum of the 12 and first presidency are all related or their wives are related in some way to a former GA, former apostle or former president of the church. Just sayin..... Then I would qualify as an apostle because I'm related to all of them as well according to relativefinder.org. I come from a long line of LDS all the way back to Joseph Smith time. As do the GA's. It is not surprising that many are related to each other in some way. carlimac 1 Quote
Guest Posted October 7, 2015 Report Posted October 7, 2015 I'm pretty sure all Intermountain Mormons are related to each other somewhere. Do we have an lds.net relative finder? Quote
Ironhold Posted October 7, 2015 Report Posted October 7, 2015 Then I would qualify as an apostle because I'm related to all of them as well according to relativefinder.org. I come from a long line of LDS all the way back to Joseph Smith time. As do the GA's. It is not surprising that many are related to each other in some way. With my dad's family, family history is church history, at least as far back as 1844. pam 1 Quote
Guest MormonGator Posted October 7, 2015 Report Posted October 7, 2015 With my dad's family, family history is church history, at least as far back as 1844. Honest question: What's it like to do family history with so much stuff that is (I assume) already known? Quote
Crypto Posted October 7, 2015 Report Posted October 7, 2015 I suspect for logistical reasons, they will likely be living around utah, or will be soon after being called.It just makes sense. Quote
Guest Posted October 7, 2015 Report Posted October 7, 2015 (edited) So what you're saying is...affect a lisp in your interviews and it will go a long way towards your employment opportunities. Gotchya. I'm gonna wear a suit with a bolo tie, cut my hair in a mullet and scratch my crotch in the middle of the interview. I think that might do it. Oh wait. I'm female. I already got an edge! Edited October 7, 2015 by anatess Quote
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