Byron Posted October 30, 2015 Report Share Posted October 30, 2015 Hi there. I will be asking a series of questions and would like to insert this introduction before them all to ensure that my intent is not misconstrued.Though I believe God tells us there is no sin greater than another, I have a particular distain for gossip. Thus I would like to take any hearsay given to me about Mormonism and put it under a spotlight and find the truth. Hearsay: Mormon's believe that wearing holy undergarments will protect them from harm. That even bullets and knives will not harm them if the garments are worn. What is the truth here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vort Posted October 30, 2015 Report Share Posted October 30, 2015 Hi there. I will be asking a series of questions and would like to insert this introduction before them all to ensure that my intent is not misconstrued.Though I believe God tells us there is no sin greater than another, I have a particular distain for gossip. Thus I would like to take any hearsay given to me about Mormonism and put it under a spotlight and find the truth. Hearsay: Mormon's believe that wearing holy undergarments will protect them from harm. That even bullets and knives will not harm them if the garments are worn. What is the truth here? The truth here is that anti-Mormons are liars. Quit listening to them. Are you sensing a theme, Byron? If not, let me spelling out for you. Anti-Mormons are liars. Quit listening to them. I hope that's sufficiently clear for you. JojoBag, Leah, bytor2112 and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Folk Prophet Posted October 30, 2015 Report Share Posted October 30, 2015 Hearsay: Mormon's believe that wearing holy undergarments will protect them from harm. That even bullets and knives will not harm them if the garments are worn. What is the truth here? There are anecdotal stories of people being protected physically, but I suspect that, for the most part, they are either false rumors or interpretations based on lucky coincidences. Mormons do believe that the garment will protect them from spiritual harm -- mostly as a reminder of the promises (covenants) they have made to God. That's not to deny that in some cases there may be physical protection to the faithful. But also, without question, many faithful have been harmed and killed while wearing the garment. There is no "magic" there. See http://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/temple-garments for more detail. beefche, pkstpaul, Jane_Doe and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leah Posted October 30, 2015 Report Share Posted October 30, 2015 Hi there. I will be asking a series of questions and would like to insert this introduction before them all to ensure that my intent is not misconstrued.Though I believe God tells us there is no sin greater than another, I have a particular distain for gossip. Thus I would like to take any hearsay given to me about Mormonism and put it under a spotlight and find the truth. Hearsay: Mormon's believe that wearing holy undergarments will protect them from harm. That even bullets and knives will not harm them if the garments are worn. What is the truth here?The word is disdain. If you disdain gossip, they why are you indulging in it here? Isn't that rather hypocritical? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beefche Posted October 30, 2015 Report Share Posted October 30, 2015 The word is disdain.If you disdain gossip, they why are you indulging in it here? Isn't that rather hypocritical? I have no problem with his asking the questions. I much rather someone ask me what I believe than "research" it on the internet or ask someone who doesn't know. Just_A_Guy and pam 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MormonGator Posted October 30, 2015 Report Share Posted October 30, 2015 The truth here is that anti-Mormons are liars. Quit listening to them. Are you sensing a theme, Byron? If not, let me spelling out for you. Anti-Mormons are liars. Quit listening to them. I hope that's sufficiently clear for you.Anti's are mean, nasty, and have one thing in common: they think they are smart enough to shatter our faiths. They aren't. Vort is so right about this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leah Posted October 30, 2015 Report Share Posted October 30, 2015 I have no problem with his asking the questions. I much rather someone ask me what I believe than "research" it on the internet or ask someone who doesn't know. That's fine when someone is asking questions in a genuine desire to learn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
estradling75 Posted October 30, 2015 Report Share Posted October 30, 2015 That's fine when someone is asking questions in a genuine desire to learn. If you believe he is being false then don't engage him... If you believe he breaks the rules then report him... But the mods have repeatedly asked forum members not to post their presumptions of the worst when new posters show up Crypto, pam and Jane_Doe 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pkstpaul Posted October 30, 2015 Report Share Posted October 30, 2015 Hearsay: Mormon's believe that wearing holy undergarments will protect them from harm. That even bullets and knives will not harm them if the garments are worn. I believe The Folk Prophet gave the most accurate perspective. Personally, I avoid bullets and knives by staying away from bad people. Vort 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
estradling75 Posted October 30, 2015 Report Share Posted October 30, 2015 (edited) Stories of divine protection tends to be of great reassurance to the religious group whose members experience it. This is not limited to the LDS faith. The garments by their very nature cover vital areas of the human body therefore if a garment wearing LDS member has a story of divine protection from some kind of danger it is also likely that the garment was between them and danger. Therefore it is easy to see why attribution can come about. It is harmless as long as God and Faith is at the forefront of all the stories. However anyone that thinks they can gain the protection without God or Faith but by donning a simple bit of fabric is going to be sorely disappointed. Edited October 30, 2015 by estradling75 Vort 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pkstpaul Posted October 30, 2015 Report Share Posted October 30, 2015 That's not to deny that in some cases there may be physical protection to the faithful. But also, without question, many faithful have been harmed and killed while wearing the garment. There is no "magic" there. I know there are thousands of stories of such but this brought to mind my brother, who is not a member of the Church, getting run over by a truck. He didn't get anything more than a scratch. He attributes it to his faithfulness as a Catholic - as do I. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leah Posted October 30, 2015 Report Share Posted October 30, 2015 If you believe he is being false then don't engage him... If you believe he breaks the rules then report him... But the mods have repeatedly asked forum members not to post their presumptions of the worst when new posters show upI was responding in general to a statement by another poster. Apparently you are reading into it a reflection of your own posted comments about the new member. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erog84 Posted October 30, 2015 Report Share Posted October 30, 2015 My Father has told of a story where he was using a chain saw and it kicked back and hit his leg, cutting through his jeans but not damaging his garments. He said it had kicked back hard enough to cause a decent size bruise, but he wasn't harmed. I got this 1st hand from him, so it wasn't some urban legend passed on from countless people. I think it is a great story but that being said, it could very well have been coincidence, and I don't for a minute believe every righteous garment wearer is automatically protected in some way. I think whoever you are getting this from is mis-representing the LDS faith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pkstpaul Posted October 30, 2015 Report Share Posted October 30, 2015 That's fine when someone is asking questions in a genuine desire to learn.I don't doubt the poster's sincerity. He hasn't come back trying to argue points. There needed to be a bit of spice added to the forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdowis Posted October 30, 2015 Report Share Posted October 30, 2015 Bottom line -->> The answer is yes, and no, and is the subject of urban myth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Folk Prophet Posted October 30, 2015 Report Share Posted October 30, 2015 (edited) I know there are thousands of stories of such but this brought to mind my brother, who is not a member of the Church, getting run over by a truck. He didn't get anything more than a scratch. He attributes it to his faithfulness as a Catholic - as do I. If by "faithfulness as a Catholic" you mean "faithfulness to God", then I agree that it is a possibility. If by "faithfulness as a Catholic" you mean "faithfulness to Catholicism", I do not. Edited October 30, 2015 by The Folk Prophet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackmarch Posted October 31, 2015 Report Share Posted October 31, 2015 Hi there. I will be asking a series of questions and would like to insert this introduction before them all to ensure that my intent is not misconstrued.Though I believe God tells us there is no sin greater than another, I have a particular distain for gossip. Thus I would like to take any hearsay given to me about Mormonism and put it under a spotlight and find the truth. Hearsay: Mormon's believe that wearing holy undergarments will protect them from harm. That even bullets and knives will not harm them if the garments are worn. What is the truth here?the garments are no more magical than the bible is. it's not the garments themselves that afford protection but rather it's the intervention of God for those who abide their covenants.The garments are both symbolic of as well as a reminder of the covenants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 31, 2015 Report Share Posted October 31, 2015 (edited) the garments are no more magical than the bible is. But the Bible CAN stop bullets and knives. Nothing gets past "Numbers". :) Edited October 31, 2015 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackmarch Posted October 31, 2015 Report Share Posted October 31, 2015 But the Bible CAN stop bullets and knives. Nothing gets past "Numbers". :)touche Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vort Posted October 31, 2015 Report Share Posted October 31, 2015 (edited) But the Bible CAN stop bullets and knives. Nothing gets past "Numbers". :) Three or four years ago, I read the Old Testament very carefully from front to back. First ever careful OT reading for me, and it took me well over a year. I had read the OT completely through before, one time, and I remember being bored to tears (not literally) with Numbers. I was very pleasantly surprised to find, upon revisiting Numbers, that it was actually quite interesting and not at all the dry, lifeless recitation of numbers and measures that I had remembered. Not saying it was my favorite book of the Bible, but it was actually pretty interesting. (I also found the Song of Solomon to be much less beautiful and romantic than I had remembered, which was disappointing. Can't say I found much inspiration in it.) Edited October 31, 2015 by Vort Blackmarch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mirkwood Posted October 31, 2015 Report Share Posted October 31, 2015 The truth here is that anti-Mormons are liars. Quit listening to them. Are you sensing a theme, Byron? If not, let me spelling out for you. Anti-Mormons are liars. Quit listening to them. I hope that's sufficiently clear for you. Just in case you missed it. Vort 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scovy Posted November 1, 2015 Report Share Posted November 1, 2015 A big misconception of garments being magical is a very big lie. Garments represent covenants we make in the temple to help remind us of them. Garments are very sacred, this link produced by the church does a very good job giving a understanding of what the garments represent and why we wear them. Unfortunately many of the stories of lds members surviving deathly encounters by wearing their garments if of urban legends (not to say there are legitimate ones out there). Wearing of the garments most importantly helps protect us from the many dangers or temptations of the world by giving us a reminder of the way we live a Christ like life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Byron Posted November 2, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2015 So I think I understand, the undergarments are a physical representation of faith. Is this correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jane_Doe Posted November 2, 2015 Report Share Posted November 2, 2015 So I think I understand, the undergarments are a physical representation of faith. Is this correct? Correct. More specifically, of the promises we make to God because of our faith. Crypto 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vort Posted November 2, 2015 Report Share Posted November 2, 2015 So I think I understand, the undergarments are a physical representation of faith. Is this correct? Not exactly, no more than (for example) a physical copy of the Bible is a physical representation of faith. Temple garments are worn by adult members of the Church who have made sacred promises of fidelity to God’s commandments and the gospel of Jesus Christ in temples of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. To Church members, the modest temple garment, worn under normal clothing, along with the symbolic vestments worn during temple worship, represent the sacred and personal aspect of their relationship with God and their commitment to live good, honorable lives. Some people incorrectly refer to temple garments as magical or “magic underwear.” These words are not only inaccurate but also offensive to members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. There is nothing magical or mystical about temple garments, and Church members ask for the same degree of respect and sensitivity that would be afforded to any other faith by people of goodwill. For more information, see http://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/temple-garments. Daybreak79 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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