Guest Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 Jesus didn't start his ministry until he was 30 years old and lived to be about 33-34. What was the common marriage age back then and do you think Jesus married in that time? I ask because you can't have exaltation as a single person, you need to be sealed to someone and be exalted as a couple. I definitely think Jesus was and I think the wedding where He turned water into wine was His wedding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skalenfehl Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 I certainly believe he was. I also believe there was a very important reason why Mary Magdelene and only she had anointed Christ's feet with spikenard and washed them with her hair. Furthermore, it was she to whom Jesus first appeared after His resurrection and not to Peter or James or John or any man or even His Father in heaven. These things and others about Mary only allude to her being His wife and probably for very good reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NightSG Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 Just can't read that "the Son of Man hath not where to lay His head" without wondering what caused the divorce, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 (edited) Nope. Jesus was enough of an exception to practically every rule. So, I have no problem with believing he was unmarried. But if I were to find out that he was, fine, no biggie. It really doesn't matter to me. Edited February 7, 2017 by Guest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vort Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 27 minutes ago, Carborendum said: Nope. Jesus was enough of an exception to practically every rule. So, I have no problem with believing he was unmarried. To which of the rules do you think Jesus was an exception? I understand that you think "practially every" one of them, but can you list out, oh, a dozen or so of these? I tend to think the opposite: Jesus was not an exception to almost any rule, but was in all things just as we are, except that he was sinless. Traveler and a mustard seed 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 Just now, Vort said: To which of the rules do you think Jesus was an exception? I understand that you think "practially every" one of them, but can you list out, oh, a dozen or so of these? I tend to think the opposite: Jesus was not an exception to almost any rule, but was in all things just as we are, except that he was sinless. Perhaps that was hyperbole taken too far. Guilty. I still don't necessarily believe he had to be married. At this point, it is simply a gut reaction. I've read a lot that could sway me both directions. Today, it's no. Tomorrow, who knows? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MormonGator Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 2 minutes ago, Carborendum said: Perhaps that was hyperbole taken too far. Guilty. I let you out for five minutes, and this is how you repay us? Back in the cage! @Vort get the hose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrShorty Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 Possible exception: We say that the premortal Christ was the God Jehovah in the OT, but He had not yet received his physical body. Was Christ God before his mortal sojourn? Was he exalted? Is it necessary to be exalted to be God? What was Christ's "status" in the OT? I'm with Carb on this one. I see no evidence either way and a lot of speculation both ways. I will wait in patience and faith until evidence/revelation comes along to settle the question. It is an interesting question to speculate on, but not one I would call "heretic" if someone believes different from me. anatess2 and Fether 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anatess2 Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 1 hour ago, MrShorty said: Possible exception: We say that the premortal Christ was the God Jehovah in the OT, but He had not yet received his physical body. Was Christ God before his mortal sojourn? Was he exalted? Is it necessary to be exalted to be God? What was Christ's "status" in the OT? I'm with Carb on this one. I see no evidence either way and a lot of speculation both ways. I will wait in patience and faith until evidence/revelation comes along to settle the question. It is an interesting question to speculate on, but not one I would call "heretic" if someone believes different from me. I believe Jesus Christ is already God before he was birthed of Mary. If we speculate that marriage is a requirement for Godhood, it would follow that Christ is already married before he became mortal and fulfilled the Atonement. His wife would be in the same clouded mystery as Heavenly Mother. But then, I could be wrong on that and I'd be fine with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrShorty Posted February 8, 2017 Report Share Posted February 8, 2017 5 hours ago, anatess2 said: I believe Jesus Christ is already God before he was birthed of Mary. If we speculate that marriage is a requirement for Godhood, it would follow that Christ is already married before he became mortal and fulfilled the Atonement. His wife would be in the same clouded mystery as Heavenly Mother. But then, I could be wrong on that and I'd be fine with it. Which might be another exception. We needed to come to earth and receive a body before receiving the ordinance of marriage. Your speculation would suggest that Christ could receive this "earthly" ordinance in the pre-mortal world. I tend to believe as you do in this -- Christ was fully God before coming to earth. Exactly what that means for His being married while on earth, I don't know, but it suggests to me that maybe He did not need to be married to fulfill all righteousness. On the other hand, I see no reason that it would be wrong for Him to marry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jane_Doe Posted February 8, 2017 Report Share Posted February 8, 2017 8 hours ago, Zarahemla said: Jesus didn't start his ministry until he was 30 years old and lived to be about 33-34. What was the common marriage age back then and do you think Jesus married in that time? I ask because you can't have exaltation as a single person, you need to be sealed to someone and be exalted as a couple. I definitely think Jesus was and I think the wedding where He turned water into wine was His wedding. Don't know, don't care. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentOne Posted February 8, 2017 Report Share Posted February 8, 2017 8 hours ago, Carborendum said: Nope. Jesus was enough of an exception to practically every rule. So, I have no problem with believing he was unmarried. But if I were to find out that he was, fine, no biggie. It really doesn't matter to me. 8 hours ago, Vort said: To which of the rules do you think Jesus was an exception? I understand that you think "practially every" one of them, but can you list out, oh, a dozen or so of these? I tend to think the opposite: Jesus was not an exception to almost any rule, but was in all things just as we are, except that he was sinless. That is why I lean towards thinking that he was married. And like others have said, if I find out either way, it doesn't really change anything for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 8, 2017 Report Share Posted February 8, 2017 2 hours ago, Jane_Doe said: Don't know, don't care. Then don't bother freaking commenting on my thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just_A_Guy Posted February 8, 2017 Report Share Posted February 8, 2017 12 hours ago, Zarahemla said: Jesus didn't start his ministry until he was 30 years old and lived to be about 33-34. What was the common marriage age back then and do you think Jesus married in that time? I ask because you can't have exaltation as a single person, you need to be sealed to someone and be exalted as a couple. I definitely think Jesus was and I think the wedding where He turned water into wine was His wedding. Girls were usually betrothed within a year of reaching puberty and married about a year after betrothal (Mary was likely 14 or 15 when Jesus was born). Males, I believe, were typically a bit older; but IIRC 16-18 would have been about the norm. I believe Jewish custom of the era dictated that rabbis should be married: so I lean towards the belief that Jesus was either married or widowed by the time of His ministry. Traveler and Anddenex 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mirkwood Posted February 8, 2017 Report Share Posted February 8, 2017 5 hours ago, Zarahemla said: Then don't bother freaking commenting on my thread. Don't ask questions if you don't want opinions. You are going to get ones you don't like. Jane_Doe and Anddenex 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mirkwood Posted February 8, 2017 Report Share Posted February 8, 2017 Oh, yes I think so, but knowing really doesn't matter one way or another for my personal salvation. Jane_Doe 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 8, 2017 Report Share Posted February 8, 2017 7 hours ago, mirkwood said: Don't ask questions if you don't want opinions. You are going to get ones you don't like. I see it as rude and counterproductive to the thread flow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anatess2 Posted February 8, 2017 Report Share Posted February 8, 2017 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Zarahemla said: I see it as rude and counterproductive to the thread flow. I don't think so. You asked a question... "What was the common marriage age..." and Jane gave her answer, she doesn't know and she doesn't care to know. This is only counterproductive if you take offense where offense was not given. It is a perfectly eye-opening answer although delivered in the least words possible. Your question was speculative. Jane's answer indicates that it is useless for her to engage in that particular speculation. She's telling you about her and what she thinks but instead of learning about her you're making it about you. So you didn't learn anything from what she said where I learned something about Jane. And that's all I have to say about that. Edited February 8, 2017 by anatess2 a mustard seed 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just_A_Guy Posted February 8, 2017 Report Share Posted February 8, 2017 (edited) On a tangent: I happened to look up early Jewish wedding customs, and . . . eek. Apparently the bride's and groom's friends escorted them to the bridal chamber, then left the room and waited outside while the bride and groom--err, "did the deed"; after which the soiled sheets were presented to the bride's father (the groom's friends serving as witnesses to this exchange) as tokens of the bride's virginity and everyone sat down to the wedding feast. And you thought the shivaree in Oklahoma was bad! Edited February 8, 2017 by Just_A_Guy Anddenex 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vort Posted February 8, 2017 Report Share Posted February 8, 2017 I understand that chicken blood was sometimes used to, um, make Dad feel better about things. Blackmarch 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mirkwood Posted February 9, 2017 Report Share Posted February 9, 2017 7 hours ago, Zarahemla said: I see it as rude and counterproductive to the thread flow. Just because you don't like something does not make it rude (or counterproductive.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackmarch Posted February 9, 2017 Report Share Posted February 9, 2017 On 2/7/2017 at 0:29 PM, Zarahemla said: Jesus didn't start his ministry until he was 30 years old and lived to be about 33-34. What was the common marriage age back then and do you think Jesus married in that time? I ask because you can't have exaltation as a single person, you need to be sealed to someone and be exalted as a couple. I definitely think Jesus was and I think the wedding where He turned water into wine was His wedding. 60-70% for 30-40% against. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MormonGator Posted February 9, 2017 Report Share Posted February 9, 2017 1 minute ago, mirkwood said: Just because you don't like something does not make it rude (or counterproductive.) Exactly. Besides, it's only rude or counterproductive if I say it is. Duh! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mirkwood Posted February 9, 2017 Report Share Posted February 9, 2017 Just now, MormonGator said: Exactly. Besides, it's only rude or counterproductive if I say it is. Duh! The Ramones suck. That's a fact, not a rude comment. Deal with it. Sunday21 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 9, 2017 Report Share Posted February 9, 2017 The concept of "my thread" has been repeatedly thrown out in every forum in which I've participated. You bring up a topic... start a thread... and it goes where it goes. No one gets to be the boss of the thread. (I've tried.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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