person0 Posted June 28, 2017 Report Share Posted June 28, 2017 Effective immediately all forum members will be required to participate in a mandatory harassment and diversity training session every two months before being able to post! Kidding! So I am currently 5 minutes through a 20 minute mandatory harassment and diversity training video at work. This is the second time this year our management team has had to participate in one of these training sessions. The broker who provides my salary is always on edge about the possibility of litigation in pretty much any form. The funny thing is that the actor playing the person being harassed in this video is like the most 'harassable' person ever: Lazy, overweight, has a cane for walking, annoying, etc. Obviously they used that character to make a point and harassment can be very serious, but work training is often just hilarious (and cheesy). I think they should just play an episode of The Office and call it, 'Harassment Training: What Not to Do!' That would definitely be a training session I could handle about once a month! NeuroTypical, Sunday21 and seashmore 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jane_Doe Posted June 28, 2017 Report Share Posted June 28, 2017 My favorite training types are those with the electronic video online that you can totally not pay attention to and then just hit the "next" button. person0, Sunday21 and seashmore 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mordorbund Posted June 28, 2017 Report Share Posted June 28, 2017 3 hours ago, person0 said: Effective immediately all forum members will be required to participate in a mandatory harassment and diversity training session every two months before being able to post! Kidding! So I am currently 5 minutes through a 20 minute mandatory harassment and diversity training video at work. This is the second time this year our management team has had to participate in one of these training sessions. The broker who provides my salary is always on edge about the possibility of litigation in pretty much any form. The funny thing is that the actor playing the person being harassed in this video is like the most 'harassable' person ever: Lazy, overweight, has a cane for walking, annoying, etc. Obviously they used that character to make a point and harassment can be very serious, but work training is often just hilarious (and cheesy). I think they should just play an episode of The Office and call it, 'Harassment Training: What Not to Do!' That would definitely be a training session I could handle about once a month! Pay close attention at what is not included. My office's employee handbook lists all kinds of protected classes (sex, orientation, nationality, race, ethnicity, etc) and I've noticed the exclusion of political party and weight. Sunday21 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unixknight Posted June 28, 2017 Report Share Posted June 28, 2017 About ten years ago I was starting work at a company where I was going to be a software developer. As part of the on-boarding process, we had to watch one of these sexual harassment training videos. The problem I had with it was that in the video, one of the scenarios showed a guy telling a co-worker that she looked nice today. It then showed the scene from her point of view where he came across as ultra-creepy and disturbing. So the guy gets in trouble for harassment. The problem is that in this scenario (and they even came right out and said it) it's the "victim" who decides whether it's harassment. The intentions of the "harasser" are irrelevant. They explicitly said this right in the video. That's pretty frightening, because it makes everybody vulnerable to potentially losing their job all based on a system that has no set standards, no rules, no definitions. So if the alleged victim decides what's harassment and what isn't, what's to prevent someone from abusing that to get rid of a co-worker they just don't like? person0, SpiritDragon, Backroads and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 28, 2017 Report Share Posted June 28, 2017 I was once working for the City of Orem, Utah where we had a sexual harassment meeting. The City Attorney went over the policy for all city employees especially regarding romantic relationships between men and women who work together. Additional comments were made about a supervisor/subordinate relationship. "No employees who work together in the same office on a regular basis shall engage in any romantic type relationship unless they are married." A person in the audience thought it wise to add,"To each other, right?" We had a good laugh. But I believe the City Attorney went to work to place that phrase into the official policy soon thereafter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zil Posted June 28, 2017 Report Share Posted June 28, 2017 If I'm gonna have to get trained on how to do this "mandatory harassment", I'm just not sure it's worth it. I mean who ever heard of "mandatory harassment"!? It's one thing to give a good jab now and then when you're in a really bad mood, or the other party is being a jerk, but to make it mandatory? And make it diverse, too? I guess that's why we need the training - so we can learn various different ways to harass people. Are the mods going to become harassment enforcers? Keeping a count of how often each user harasses someone? Change the meaning of those numbers under our avatars? Sigh. This just seems like a lot of work. mordorbund, Just_A_Guy, person0 and 4 others 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mordorbund Posted June 28, 2017 Report Share Posted June 28, 2017 12 minutes ago, zil said: If I'm gonna have to get trained on how to do this "mandatory harassment", I'm just not sure it's worth it. I mean who ever heard of "mandatory harassment"!? It's one thing to give a good jab now and then when you're in a really bad mood, or the other party is being a jerk, but to make it mandatory? And make it diverse, too? I guess that's why we need the training - so we can learn various different ways to harass people. Are the mods going to become harassment enforcers? Keeping a count of how often each user harasses someone? Change the meaning of those numbers under our avatars? Sigh. This just seems like a lot of work. I think of this every time I'm required to take harassment training. zil and seashmore 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunday21 Posted June 28, 2017 Report Share Posted June 28, 2017 (edited) @Carborendum No employees who work together in the same office on a regular basis shall engage in any romantic type relationship unless they are married." Such a policy is illegal in my province! We have conflict of interest guidelines instead. You can't evaluate someone with whom you might have a conflict of interest. Edited June 29, 2017 by Sunday21 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zil Posted June 28, 2017 Report Share Posted June 28, 2017 21 minutes ago, zil said: Sigh. This just seems like a lot of work. Oh, I get it now. I'm being harassed. How clever. It's already begun. I may need chocolate now. Sunday21 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 28, 2017 Report Share Posted June 28, 2017 1 minute ago, zil said: Oh, I get it now. I'm being harassed. How clever. It's already begun. I may need chocolate now. I recommend orange chocolate. Do they still make those? I haven't seen them in a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zil Posted June 28, 2017 Report Share Posted June 28, 2017 Just now, Carborendum said: I recommend orange chocolate. Do they still make those? I haven't seen them in a while. You mean this thing: ...if so, yes, they still make them. Good idea. They used to make one of these that had a slight raspberry flavor added. That would be good too. Sunday21 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 28, 2017 Report Share Posted June 28, 2017 (edited) Yes. https://www.amazon.com/Terrys-Chocolate-Orange-Milk-157g/dp/B0051C0G2O/ref=sr_1_4_a_it?ie=UTF8&qid=1498679579&sr=8-4&keywords=chocolate+orange https://www.amazon.com/Ovation-Chocolate-Raspberry-Break-Single/dp/B00IIB0WC4/ref=pd_bxgy_325_img_2?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B00IIB0WC4&pd_rd_r=T7F3JMPN7QEMY0C8BFN8&pd_rd_w=fHcws&pd_rd_wg=Nd1HB&psc=1&refRID=T7F3JMPN7QEMY0C8BFN8 Edited June 28, 2017 by Guest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunday21 Posted June 28, 2017 Report Share Posted June 28, 2017 I have also had harassment training. I find it interesting because the purpose is to change the culture, the assumptions, the routine behaviour. We are establishing new norms. Something has worked somehow. In my workplace gay people are no longer harassed but they used to be! Something has worked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 28, 2017 Report Share Posted June 28, 2017 3 minutes ago, Sunday21 said: Something has worked somehow. In my workplace gay people are no longer harassed but they used to be! Something has worked. In all my life, I don't think I've known anyone who "harassed" a gay man. We all had our opinions and we had our religious beliefs. But we just rolled our eyes at most and simply went about our day. My growing up years, we always recognized them as oddities. But we also recognized them as realities. They were still human beings. Did we make jokes about them? Yes. But no more than we made jokes about everyone else. You don't think I got my share of Asian jokes? This wasn't harassment. It was just life. It was a way of relieving the discomfort with dealing with something out-of-norm. It was simple and rather innocent human nature. I don't think it is a good sign that we're trying to change human nature through government or office policies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunday21 Posted June 28, 2017 Report Share Posted June 28, 2017 Do you listen to or read General Conference? @Carborendum President Monson gave a short talk on kindness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 28, 2017 Report Share Posted June 28, 2017 (edited) 41 minutes ago, Sunday21 said: Do you listen to or read General Conference? @Carborendum President Monson gave a short talk on kindness. General who? I'm afraid I've never heard of him. And...what? I thought Trump was our President. Edited June 28, 2017 by Guest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentOne Posted June 29, 2017 Report Share Posted June 29, 2017 9 hours ago, person0 said: I think they should just play an episode of The Office and call it, 'Harassment Training: What Not to Do!' That would definitely be a training session I could handle about once a month! Isn't there at least one episode specifically about harassment training? Which reminds me of this harassment training: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
person0 Posted June 29, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 29, 2017 1 hour ago, SilentOne said: Isn't there at least one episode specifically about harassment training? There are quite a few. Here are some links, but just in case, I wont include the video on the forum! The Office - Sensitivity Training The Office - What Not to Do HR Compilation The Office - Sexual Harassment Training Highlight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mirkwood Posted June 29, 2017 Report Share Posted June 29, 2017 8 hours ago, unixknight said: it's the "victim" who decides whether it's harassment. The intentions of the "harasser" are irrelevant. They explicitly said this right in the video. @MormonGator is screwed now...he keeps bringing up KISS in conversations... Sunday21 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unixknight Posted June 29, 2017 Report Share Posted June 29, 2017 8 hours ago, mirkwood said: @MormonGator is screwed now...he keeps bringing up KISS in conversations... That does it. @MormonGator, please report for political re-education sensitivity training by the end of the week. Sunday21 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunday21 Posted June 29, 2017 Report Share Posted June 29, 2017 7 minutes ago, unixknight said: That does it. @MormonGator, please report for political re-education sensitivity training by the end of the week. Will he have to recant his belief in Kiss? What form of reprogramming do you recommend? unixknight 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unixknight Posted June 29, 2017 Report Share Posted June 29, 2017 1 hour ago, Sunday21 said: Will he have to recant his belief in Kiss? What form of reprogramming do you recommend? Well, we can always take the Donald Duck/Clockwork Orange approach and pry his eyelids open, bind him to a chair, and force him to watch KISS performances non-stop until he begs for mercy. If that doesn't work, we can take the nuclear option and make him watch Gene Simmons' Family Jewels for a few hours, but I hate to destroy a man like that... Sunday21 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MormonGator Posted June 29, 2017 Report Share Posted June 29, 2017 1 hour ago, unixknight said: \ If that doesn't work, we can take the nuclear option and make him watch Gene Simmons' Family Jewels for a few hours, but I hate to destroy a man like that... Cruel and unusual punishment bro. Ouch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MormonGator Posted June 29, 2017 Report Share Posted June 29, 2017 What's funny-and I'm speaking as a Kiss fan-Kiss Army member from the early 90's, no apologies- is that most of us think Gene Simmons is obnoxious. Many Kiss fans will admit it, after a few drinks. My favorite has always been Paul Stanley, though Eric Carr is also up there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mirkwood Posted June 29, 2017 Report Share Posted June 29, 2017 (edited) 3 hours ago, MormonGator said: What's funny-and I'm speaking as a Kiss fan-Kiss Army member from the early 90's, no apologies- is that most of us think Gene Simmons is obnoxious. Many Kiss fans will admit it, after a few drinks. There, fixed it for you. Edited June 29, 2017 by mirkwood unixknight, beefche and Sunday21 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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