Lindy Posted September 16, 2017 Report Share Posted September 16, 2017 I have a beef with non service dogs allowed in restaurants. Just thought I would share that nugget of info. mirkwood, Iggy, Sunday21 and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iggy Posted September 16, 2017 Report Share Posted September 16, 2017 Yep I have a beef with that too, as well as NON service dogs in grocery stores, hardware stores, the Post Office. Lindy, mirkwood and Jeremy A 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fether Posted September 16, 2017 Report Share Posted September 16, 2017 37 minutes ago, Lindy said: I have a beef with non service dogs allowed in restaurants. Just thought I would share that nugget of info. Do the dogs eat your beef? zil 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grunt Posted September 16, 2017 Report Share Posted September 16, 2017 I don't care who does what, usually. pwrfrk and NeuroTypical 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zil Posted September 16, 2017 Report Share Posted September 16, 2017 I have a beef with uncivilized creatures in restaurants. (Some dogs are more civilized than some humans. Just sayin'.) Jeremy A, Lindy, seashmore and 3 others 4 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeuroTypical Posted September 16, 2017 Report Share Posted September 16, 2017 There are two definitions of "service dogs" 1. Dogs who accompany humans in public, who have been trained to some sort of level of behavior, for some sort of socially acceptable reason, by some sort of real organization. 2. Dogs who accompany humans in public, who are wearing a "service dog" vest thing that someone bought off of Amazon or eBay. Honestly, you'd think that #1 is somehow "better" or "more acceptable", but you can't really bet on that. Me and my house tend to like animals more than humans, so we're usually ok with any reasonably-behaved animal anywhere. We'd gladly switch airplane seats with you to sit next to someone and their pig or snake or whatever. zil, seashmore and Midwest LDS 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fether Posted September 16, 2017 Report Share Posted September 16, 2017 6 hours ago, zil said: I have a beef with uncivilized creatures in restaurants. (Some dogs are more civilized than some humans. Just sayin'.) Why in the world did you get reactions and not me!? zil, Lindy and NeuroTypical 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zil Posted September 16, 2017 Report Share Posted September 16, 2017 1 minute ago, Fether said: Why in the world did you get reactions and not me!? Cuz some folks like dogs better than people? But there's two reactions just for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lindy Posted September 17, 2017 Author Report Share Posted September 17, 2017 21 hours ago, Fether said: Do the dogs eat your beef? Funny thought - but no haven't ran into that problem yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seashmore Posted September 17, 2017 Report Share Posted September 17, 2017 Eh. As long as they aren't in the kitchen or barking, I don't see it as any different than eating outside, which people like to do. (Personally, I'd rather share a large dining space with a small, quiet dog than go on a picnic with flies and ants.) Midwest LDS 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lindy Posted September 17, 2017 Author Report Share Posted September 17, 2017 I have no problems with a service animal that has been trained for a specific problem. I would gladly leave for someone with a service dog. What really stinks is I love dogs, but I really am allergic to dogs and have a hard time around them in an enclosed area. I don't think that a lot of people know that there is no dog that is hypoallergenic, (even if someone told you there was). And just like those with food allergies- I have to be very careful to avoid what will cause a reaction. It's always a little scary to feel your throat start constricting up. I really do enjoy breathing. I just wish that people would leave their dogs at home when they go out to dinner. I have a friend who lost her husband last year, and has a little furry friend she takes everywhere with her, and she understood my distress about the amount of animals in public places. Yet, that won't stop her from taking her longhaired dog on a plane when traveling. seashmore and Sunday21 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lindy Posted September 17, 2017 Author Report Share Posted September 17, 2017 (edited) 17 hours ago, zil said: I have a beef with uncivilized creatures in restaurants. (Some dogs are more civilized than some humans. Just sayin'.) 17 hours ago, NeuroTypical said: There are two definitions of "service dogs" 1. Dogs who accompany humans in public, who have been trained to some sort of level of behavior, for some sort of socially acceptable reason, by some sort of real organization. 2. Dogs who accompany humans in public, who are wearing a "service dog" vest thing that someone bought off of Amazon or eBay. Honestly, you'd think that #1 is somehow "better" or "more acceptable", but you can't really bet on that. Me and my house tend to like animals more than humans, so we're usually ok with any reasonably-behaved animal anywhere. We'd gladly switch airplane seats with you to sit next to someone and their pig or snake or whatever. I agree that there are many uncivilized creatures that are allowed in public places, have sat next to my share of them through the years. UGH IMHO Those service dog wannabe owners should be given a ticket for misrepresentation of a service animal. A service animal has been trained and certified to help in a certain area or problem. They should be commended. The wannabe therapy, companion dogs may be cute, cuddly and provide some sort of emotional support that a BFF could provide...... BUT there is a line that has to be drawn. What is going to stop someone from really bringing a pig or a snake into a restaurant or from boarding a plane with their "therapy" or "companion" animal? Edited September 17, 2017 by Lindy seashmore 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lindy Posted September 17, 2017 Author Report Share Posted September 17, 2017 22 hours ago, Iggy said: Yep I have a beef with that too, as well as NON service dogs in grocery stores, hardware stores, the Post Office. Amen sister! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LiterateParakeet Posted September 17, 2017 Report Share Posted September 17, 2017 18 hours ago, Grunt said: I don't care who does what, usually. 18 hours ago, NeuroTypical said: Me and my house tend to like animals more than humans, so we're usually ok with any reasonably-behaved animal anywhere. We'd gladly switch airplane seats with you to sit next to someone and their pig or snake or whatever. Honestly, it bugs me too, but I'm trying to change my attitude to one more like you both. As my 18 yr old daughter says, "You do you." Really what does it hurt me if the dog is "official" or not? It doesn't make any difference. In fact....I would much rather that people deal with their anxiety (or whatever) with a pet, rather than alcohol, drugs (opioids are epidemic right now), pornography or gambling. I've never heard of companion dogs causing harm to any one, but alcohol, drugs, porn and gambling have destroyed many lives. For the record, I no longer have a problem with it. Bring on the pets! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnsonJones Posted September 17, 2017 Report Share Posted September 17, 2017 1 hour ago, Lindy said: I agree that there are many uncivilized creatures that are allowed in public places, have sat next to my share of them through the years. UGH IMHO Those service dog wannabe owners should be given a ticket for misrepresentation of a service animal. A service animal has been trained and certified to help in a certain area or problem. They should be commended. The wannabe therapy, companion dogs may be cute, cuddly and provide some sort of emotional support that a BFF could provide...... BUT there is a line that has to be drawn. What is going to stop someone from really bringing a pig or a snake into a restaurant or from boarding a plane with their "therapy" or "companion" animal? This. I have dealt with veterans that truly need that service dog. A service dog is an official medical item, trained for years, and certified by PAPERWORK. These animals can help sense when their owners are in some sort of stress and having problems and help deal with it, or trained to help their owners avoid certain situations which could raise up conflicts. The same goes with dogs that aid the blind, they are trained extensively and have PAPERWORK which shows what they are. This entire thing of having "Comfort" animals, or buying some vest and claiming your pet is a service animal is a disgusting thing that hurts the reputation of REAL service animals out there. There really should be something that lets airlines, stores, and others check to see if it is an official service animal, and if it is not, a VERY HEFTY fine levied against the individual. My spouse ALSO has a huge amount of allergies to any animal which has pet dander. Basically it can kill her within a few days (So not as fast acting or as dangerous as it is to some individuals, which have it worse and these are a much higher threat) if exposed to it constantly. Seeing people who basically think they deserve the service animals, but really do not, and are not willing to pay for it because their insurance and medical providers do not deem it necessary...should not be claiming some animal they have is a service animal. I should be more forgiving on this aspect...I need to learn to turn the other cheek, but when it involves my wife's safety...I tend to get a little defensive/offended...which is terrible and bad of me. I admit I need to be more righteous on this front, but if you can't tell, I too am bothered on this action that many do these days. On the otherhand, I understand the need for REAL service animals. I would in no wise want to deny the blind a service/guide dog or a Veteran who really needs it a service dog...and if it became a problem me and my wife could go elsewhere. I just dislike the pretenders out there. Lindy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zil Posted September 17, 2017 Report Share Posted September 17, 2017 6 hours ago, seashmore said: small, quiet dog Is there such a thing? As far as I can tell, small dogs are all yappy and hyper. Give me a huge dog any day. (Great Dane - there's a dog. Lab-Great Dane mix - that's a handsome creature.) pam 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Godless Posted September 17, 2017 Report Share Posted September 17, 2017 I'm pretty sure that having a non-service animal inside a restaurant is a health code violation in most states. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seashmore Posted September 17, 2017 Report Share Posted September 17, 2017 1 hour ago, zil said: Is there such a thing? As far as I can tell, small dogs are all yappy and hyper. Give me a huge dog any day. (Great Dane - there's a dog. Lab-Great Dane mix - that's a handsome creature.) I have a friend who has what I call "old lady dogs." The kind with the short, curly hair you see embroidered on old lady sweatshirts. They're pretty quiet. My neighbor has the same kind of dog, and I hear it maybe once or twice a year. I'm a short person, and don't do well with dogs that are bigger than I am. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeuroTypical Posted September 17, 2017 Report Share Posted September 17, 2017 6 hours ago, JohnsonJones said: I have dealt with veterans that truly need that service dog. A service dog is an official medical item, trained for years, and certified by PAPERWORK. These animals can help sense when their owners are in some sort of stress and having problems and help deal with it, or trained to help their owners avoid certain situations which could raise up conflicts. You are only about 82% right. There are a plethora of organizations that certify/train/sell "real" service animals. For a wide range of reasons. Many/most put out a good product, the rest don't. Consider the difference between a bishop's priesthood authority, and the "ordain you online fast for $9.95" websites. When it comes to officiating in marriages, both are equal in the eyes of the law. It's the same with "real" service dogs. I'm pretty sure that having a non-service animal inside a restaurant is a health code violation in most states. Yeah, think about that for a minute. Consider the unwarranted assumptions that must go into such a thing. You can't have a clean, disease-free, potty trained, well-behaved dog, unless some organization bestows credentials? (For the record, you might be totally right. My point is still valid.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy A Posted September 17, 2017 Report Share Posted September 17, 2017 12 hours ago, Lindy said: What is going to stop someone from really bringing a pig or a snake into a restaurant or from boarding a plane with their "therapy" or "companion" animal? Actually, service animals are only horses and dogs. Cats aren't on the list. If there's a no pet policy, those therapy or companion animals do not matter. They will be considered pets, regardless. The owner can gripe all they want. I work at a place that doesn't appear to have a no pet policy, but I've only seen dogs brought in, and most of them are quiet and well-behaved. My previous job, however, does have a no pet policy. If anybody brings in a pet of any kind, we can ask them to take it outside. Dogs, however, is a different story. We can't force them to leave the store, but we can ask if the dog is trained for a task and what task that is. I didn't really say anything as long as the owner held the pet, including cats. I had one person absolutely refuse to take his dog outside and explicitly say it was a therapy or companion animal. It almost caused a lawsuit. It was frustrating. Lindy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mirkwood Posted September 18, 2017 Report Share Posted September 18, 2017 If I wanted to meet your dog I would come to your house. NeuroTypical and Sunday21 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MormonGator Posted September 18, 2017 Report Share Posted September 18, 2017 5 minutes ago, mirkwood said: If I wanted to meet your dog I would come to your house. The fact that you don't like dogs is another disturbing character flaw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pam Posted September 18, 2017 Report Share Posted September 18, 2017 I have a problem with it. Working at Hobby Lobby I've never seen so many people bring in their dogs as I have at that store. I heard someone even say that HobLob is a pet friendly store? Since when? Especially the time someone brought this tiny little dog and let it run free. The thing pooped under one of our racks. While I went to get paper towels for the owner to clean it up, I turned around and almost squished that dang thing. I didn't see it under my feet. Many people are allergic to pet dander. It's one thing to have a service dog that is there providing a service to its owner. It's another thing for every dog owner to think they can bring their dogs into any establishment they feel like it. NightSG, zil, Lindy and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lindy Posted September 18, 2017 Author Report Share Posted September 18, 2017 7 hours ago, Jeremy A said: but we can ask if the dog is trained for a task and what task that is. I didn't really say anything as long as the owner held the pet, including cats. By ADA law that's all you can ask the owner to determine if it's a service dog or not. That should be a clue to the animal owner that only real, certified service animals are allowed in that area. 7 hours ago, Jeremy A said: service animals are only horses and dogs. Cats aren't on the list. If there's a no pet policy, those therapy or companion animals do not matter. They will be considered pets, regardless. The owner can gripe all they want. And gripe they will! Interesting to know about only horses and dogs can be service animals..... I did not know that. Thanks for sharing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lindy Posted September 18, 2017 Author Report Share Posted September 18, 2017 (edited) 7 minutes ago, pam said: Many people are allergic to pet dander. It's one thing to have a service dog that is there providing a service to its owner. It's another thing for every dog owner to think they can bring their dogs into any establishment they feel like it. That's what happens when they start giving in to the first cute little dog hanging out of a purse.....it most likely will escalate into chaos of one form or another. It has happened to many other businesses. Edited September 18, 2017 by Lindy NightSG and pam 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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