Thoughts on babyfeeding in the church

[unixknight]

5 minutes ago, NeedleinA said:

Because most youth are so quick to bring things like this up to their parents.
"Hey dad I noticed Sister X's nude breasts at Church, is there a teaching moment you have for me now?"
 

Oh, that isn't necessary.  A dad knows when his kid starts locking onto something he likes.  They don't have to wait for the kid to ask.  

[NeedleinA]

6 minutes ago, unixknight said:

Oh, that isn't necessary.  A dad knows when his kid starts locking onto something he likes.  They don't have to wait for the kid to ask.  

The dad knows because he saw it too. Now both have to ask their mother/wife what the teaching moment is.

[unixknight]

Just now, NeedleinA said:

The dad knows because he saw it too. Now both have to ask their mother/wife what the teaching moment is.

Touche'!

[Grunt]

10 hours ago, anatess2 said:

And THIS IS FOR YOU, MEN, who think mothers should go find a private room to feed their babies.  If you're gonna eat on the McDonald's tables and chairs, babies can eat there too.  Get yourself educated on breastfeeding as well so you don't subject your wife to unnecessary rules.  And please bring the Chinese.

My wife and I are one on this topic.  Thanks for worrying about her.

[Backroads]

On ‎7‎/‎29‎/‎2018 at 2:16 PM, Fether said:

There is a mother’s room for them

Not always. I've found this to be a common misconception. There's actually quite a few LDS churches that simply don't have mothers rooms.

[Backroads]

On ‎7‎/‎30‎/‎2018 at 9:58 AM, Fether said:

Source?? I believe you, just want to know where the inside scoop is at, and I’m not talking about the ice cream store (though it would be nice to know where that is too)

My FB group where this did all seem to start referenced something akin to this. So, yeah, it's quite possible she was taking it over the top.

[Backroads]

On ‎7‎/‎29‎/‎2018 at 4:14 PM, Fether said:

But one thing I ask myself is why don’t they pre-pump milk or use formula while out in public? I understand there are different philosophies and exceptions, but the question still comes to mind. Again, my biggest issue is women using exposed breast feeding as a way to make a point. 

If you understand there are different philosophies and exceptions, well, there you go, there's your answer.

Not all women can pump. Not all babies take bottles. Not all babies take formula. Not all moms want to give formula.

 

[anatess2]

4 minutes ago, Backroads said:

If you understand there are different philosophies and exceptions, well, there you go, there's your answer.

Not all women can pump. Not all babies take bottles. Not all babies take formula. Not all moms want to give formula.

 

The first baby came with this suitcase of a diaper bag with all the tools and equipment... the bag was too small to carry the fire extinguisher so we had to leave that behind.  After a month or so, a mom learns that all you really need to bring is a diaper in your back pocket and a burpee over your shoulder. 

 

[Backroads]

23 minutes ago, anatess2 said:

The first baby came with this suitcase of a diaper bag with all the tools and equipment... the bag was too small to carry the fire extinguisher so we had to leave that behind.  After a month or so, a mom learns that all you really need to bring is a diaper in your back pocket and a burpee over your shoulder. 

 

My gosh, it's so much easier when you bring less. I can easily fit a diaper and a slim pack of wipes in my purse.

 

[Just_A_Guy]

On 7/31/2018 at 12:31 PM, MormonGator said:

Well. It's out there. 

I see what you did there.

[Just_A_Guy]

On 7/29/2018 at 10:03 AM, Maureen said:

Really? And you know this because you are secretly one of those women. 

I’m not not Grunt, but I know this because (speaking anecdotally) about 25-30% of people, generally, operate mentally in such a way that they thrive on drama and have to make a big production out of everything.  

[zil]

25 minutes ago, Just_A_Guy said:

I’m not not Grunt

So you're Grunt?  Wow.  You did a really good job on that Missionaries thread.  So, um, are you his sock puppet or is he yours?  (I like to keep my puppets and puppeteers straight.)

[Just_A_Guy]

2 minutes ago, zil said:

So you're Grunt?  Wow.  You did a really good job on that Missionaries thread.  So, um, are you his sock puppet or is he yours?  (I like to keep my puppets and puppeteers straight.)

To paraphrase a great man, “I don’t see any reason why I would(n’t) be”.

[Vort]

Just wondering why loving parents would ever want to feed their baby something called "formula".

[NeuroTypical]

When it comes to handing out judgments for how moms choose to parent, I align strongly with this parenting philosophy:

[anatess2]

2 hours ago, Vort said:

Just wondering why loving parents would ever want to feed their baby something called "formula".

Because they are deficient in something.  Contrary to common understanding, breastfeeding is not always good.  In the ancient days when technology hasn't come up with baby bottles yet, village nursing mothers were available to provide for any and all children whose mothers couldn't breastfeed or have insufficient/nutritionally deficient milk production.  Infant mortality rates were high.  Technology has made that obsolete now.  There are a very, very few women these days who continue to produce breast milk even after they wean their own babies so they can donate/sell their milk to milk banks.  These banks are usually accessed by babies whose mothers have a deficiency and the babies have an aversion to formula.

Of course, there are those mothers who simply chose formula out of choice rather than necessity.  Many reasons for this - lack of knowledge on the matter (that's what their mother/friend/etc told them), career choices, convenience, etc. etc.

[Grunt]

5 hours ago, zil said:

So you're Grunt?  Wow.  You did a really good job on that Missionaries thread.  So, um, are you his sock puppet or is he yours?  (I like to keep my puppets and puppeteers straight.)

I'm a sock, sans puppet

[pwrfrk]

14 hours ago, NeuroTypical said:

When it comes to handing out judgments for how moms choose to parent, I align strongly with this parenting philosophy:

"Immunizations cause autism"

I have heard that argument before, and so far I have not seen anything to back it up.  Even if it does, it does not cause all children to be autistic, and their life expectancy has increased.  In 1900 the average white male lived to 46 year of age.  In 1850 the same man lived an average of 38 years.  As of 2017 the same man would live an average of 78 years.  I do not have any comparable data for non-whites.

So, no immunizations = die young.  Immunizations = live forever.

[anatess2]

3 hours ago, pwrfrk said:

I have heard that argument before, and so far I have not seen anything to back it up.  Even if it does, it does not cause all children to be autistic, and their life expectancy has increased.  In 1900 the average white male lived to 46 year of age.  In 1850 the same man lived an average of 38 years.  As of 2017 the same man would live an average of 78 years.  I do not have any comparable data for non-whites.

So, no immunizations = die young.  Immunizations = live forever.

"Your kids might die young but my kid won't be autistic".  So there. 

 

[NeuroTypical]

16 hours ago, anatess2 said:

19 hours ago, Vort said:

Just wondering why loving parents would ever want to feed their baby something called "formula".

Because they are deficient in something.  Contrary to common understanding, breastfeeding is not always good.  In the ancient days when technology hasn't come up with baby bottles yet, village nursing mothers were available to provide for any and all children whose mothers couldn't breastfeed or have insufficient/nutritionally deficient milk production. 

Ah yes.  Back in the day, everyone knew what a "wet nurse" was.  I think today, probably most people under 30 have to google it. 

[Guest MormonGator]

Breastfeeding and evolution threads. All we need is a thread on vaccines and the fireworks will really begin! 

[pwrfrk]

Well, if you look at all the stuff they put into those formulas, you'll understand why they call it that.  And you ust might find  more stuff that is known for making kids sick.

[Backroads]

On ‎8‎/‎3‎/‎2018 at 8:15 AM, MormonGator said:

Breastfeeding and evolution threads. All we need is a thread on vaccines and the fireworks will really begin! 

Heck, I just ranted elsewhere on the interweb about how sick I am of the statement "We think vaccines cause all manners of disease and bad math skills, but you should pray and do what's right for your family." No, vaccines either are or aren't good for the majority of the population. The best part was a response to the question of "What if God inspires me to vaccinate?" "Well, we're all on different levels of spirituality..."

Edited August 5, 2018 by Backroads

[zil]

1 hour ago, Backroads said:

"What if God inspires me to vaccinate?" "Well, we're all on different levels of spirituality..."

[Guest]

On 7/27/2018 at 10:51 PM, Backroads said:

So the Salt Lake Tribune ran an article recently. I shall not link it because I don't find that paper fit to line my hamster's cage. But I sort of watched this from the beginning to do those dreaded Facebook mom groups.

The story goes is a woman was breastfeeding at church. People complained, bishop asked her to stop, she said she wouldn't, bishop took her temple recommend away as well as that of her husband's for not commanding her better, yada yada. I don't know how much is true or exaggerated, but now there's a call or petition or something for LDS leadership to not condemn breastfeeding as sexual.
 

Now, I've breastfed at church. I've done it in the mother's lounge, though I don't always like to because it's tiny, tends towards crowding, and smells of diapers. Plus it has no speaker system. I've done it elsewhere. It's never been a problem. I am a tad rah-rah-breastfeeding and I lean toward "avert your own eyes as I'm trying my best not to flash you."

Ultimately, I don't know what really happened. While part of me is shocked at the notion the bishop took away recommends JUST because she was breastfeeding and JUST because her husband was on her side, I doubt it's so simple. I imagine a bigger hullabaloo went down that possibly did stem from this conversation.

I don't know if this is something the church should take a hard stand on. Is it a reoccuring problem? Does it support all cultures in the world-wide church? At the same time, is it a good idea, the breastfeeding being a few steps short of a strip tease, to mess with temple recommends?

 

From what I have gathered around the web (take that for what it's worth). She wasn't just nursing her baby (which I have no problem with). She was going out of her way to flash people in the most obvious way possible, and refused to use any kind of covering.

What little actual information was in the Tribune article doesn't refute that, and supports the background at least.