More drama from June Hughes/Mckenna Denson

[NeuroTypical]

Yeah, Zil has a whole bookcase of innocent-enough magazines.  But you pull a hidden catch, and the whole thing swings out.  One side is fountain pens, this is the other side.

 

Edited October 6, 2018 by NeuroTypical

[zil]

5 minutes ago, NeuroTypical said:

Yeah, Zil has a whole bookcase of innocent-enough magazines.  But you pull a hidden catch, and the whole thing swings out.  One side is fountain pens, this is the other side.

 

Hey!  Who let you in!?  At least now I know where the box of bullets and my seventh-favorite pistol went.

[Vort]

15 minutes ago, NeuroTypical said:

Yeah, Zil has a whole bookcase of innocent-enough magazines.  But you pull a hidden catch, and the whole thing swings out.  One side is fountain pens, this is the other side.

 

That must be one awesome collection of fountain pens.

[Fether]

14 minutes ago, Vort said:

 

30 minutes ago, NeuroTypical said:

Yeah, Zil has a whole bookcase of innocent-enough magazines.  But you pull a hidden catch, and the whole thing swings out.  One side is fountain pens, this is the other side.



 

That must be one awesome collection of fountain pens.

 

There comes a point in any obsession when functionality doesn’t even matter.

Zil has reached that point.

[mirkwood]

12 hours ago, Fether said:

There comes a point in any obsession when functionality doesn’t even matter.

Zil has reached that point.

Note to self: don’t let them see inside my safe.

Edited October 6, 2018 by mirkwood

[zil]

17 minutes ago, mirkwood said:

Note to self: don’t let them see inside my safe.

Why he keeps his Rush 8-tracks, LPs, cassette tapes, and CDs in a safe no one will ever know, but yeah, we really don't want to see the full collection.

[Fether]

33 minutes ago, zil said:

8-tracks, LPs, cassette tapes, and CD

What are these?

[mordorbund]

15 hours ago, NeuroTypical said:

Yeah, Zil has a whole bookcase of innocent-enough magazines.  But you pull a hidden catch, and the whole thing swings out.  One side is fountain pens, this is the other side.

 

Yup, Full of magazines. Checks out.

[mirkwood]

1 hour ago, zil said:

Why he keeps his Rush 8-tracks, LPs, cassette tapes, and CDs in a safe no one will ever know, but yeah, we really don't want to see the full collection.

I can neither confirm nor deny what is inside the safe I may or may not own.

 

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[pwrfrk]

On 10/1/2018 at 6:20 AM, MarginOfError said:

Haeh? This seems like an unhinged rant.  Seriously, I can't figure out how those two paragraphs are supposed to fit together.

Here, let me help you....

Denson's credibility is attacked because of her many faults.  Such as the prostitute that is victimized.  Like Denson, the prostitute has many faults, but those faults do not make it ok to do whatever one wishes to her.  Sure, the prostitute gets paid to spread her legs.  But that never means it's ok to rape her.  Sure, Denson made plenty of mistakes.  Man, the list is long.  But that never means it's ok to sexual assault her, it also never means it's ok to chide her because of her prevous conduct.  Sure, question if it happened.  That is routine.  Yes I know of men that have been falsely accused of commiting sexual assaults/rapes.  But that does not mean that all men are innocent.  I also know a woman or two that lied about being raped.  And that never says that all women are liars.

What Trevor Noah said is right.  Too many men are too fearful of being wrongfully accused.  But MOE, I ask you this specifically, is Trevor or you saying that all men are perpetrators?  Wait until you have been accused of something that sick and awful.  Wait until your name and reputation has been dragged through the mud.  You know, when it comes to something this awful, whether you have been through it or a friend has been, the impact is horrible.  No, there is no comparison to being a real victim.  Be it of a rape or sexual assault or of being wrongfully accused of such.

Does that help you understand what I was saying?

[MarginOfError]

5 hours ago, pwrfrk said:

Here, let me help you....

Denson's credibility is attacked because of her many faults.  Such as the prostitute that is victimized.  Like Denson, the prostitute has many faults, but those faults do not make it ok to do whatever one wishes to her.  Sure, the prostitute gets paid to spread her legs.  But that never means it's ok to rape her.  Sure, Denson made plenty of mistakes.  Man, the list is long.  But that never means it's ok to sexual assault her, it also never means it's ok to chide her because of her prevous conduct.  Sure, question if it happened.  That is routine.  Yes I know of men that have been falsely accused of commiting sexual assaults/rapes.  But that does not mean that all men are innocent.  I also know a woman or two that lied about being raped.  And that never says that all women are liars.

What Trevor Noah said is right.  Too many men are too fearful of being wrongfully accused.  But MOE, I ask you this specifically, is Trevor or you saying that all men are perpetrators?  Wait until you have been accused of something that sick and awful.  Wait until your name and reputation has been dragged through the mud.  You know, when it comes to something this awful, whether you have been through it or a friend has been, the impact is horrible.  No, there is no comparison to being a real victim.  Be it of a rape or sexual assault or of being wrongfully accused of such.

Does that help you understand what I was saying?

So your two paragraphs weren't related to each other.  That actually helps a lot.

[anatess2]

On 10/5/2018 at 7:13 PM, JohnsonJones said:

What I find interesting is how US citizens allow foreign individuals on talk shows influence our political process.  In fact, I'd say these individuals from Foreign nations have a FAR greater impact on our politics and political thoughts than Russian ads on facebook EVER did.  If we are going after the Russians as we have been, why in the world do we give these guys a pass.

It is OBVIOUS that they are politically inclined and are trying to influence our politics.  Is it because Liberals control the narrative in the media today and thus they may attack Russian ads on the one hand, but ignore the even GREATER and LARGER influence these foreign nations have on our political process simply because these foreign influences are pushing a liberal narrative?

Just my initial thoughts at watching the clip...which really has nothing to do with the topic...just what came out of me watching this.

Big difference between individual citizens of a foreign country (like me) campaigning in American politics.

Completely different - and illegal - for a foreign GOVERNMENT to influence American politics outside of diplomatic agreements.

[NeuroTypical]

27 minutes ago, anatess2 said:

Completely different - and illegal - for a foreign GOVERNMENT to influence American politics outside of diplomatic agreements.

...kinda...

https://lawandcrime.com/politics/aba-legal-fact-check-when-is-it-illegal-for-foreign-nationals-to-influence-u-s-elections/

 

[anatess2]

21 minutes ago, NeuroTypical said:

...kinda...

https://lawandcrime.com/politics/aba-legal-fact-check-when-is-it-illegal-for-foreign-nationals-to-influence-u-s-elections/

 

Yes.  Just like it is illegal for non-citizens to vote in US elections, it is also illegal for non-citizens to donate to an official campaign, get paid to work for an official campaign, etc.  But resident aliens (green card holder) can volunteer for an official campaign (I've done this several times).  The campaign can actually get in super big trouble if they get caught accepting donations from non-citizens.  It is also illegal for non-citizens to work for the US Fed government with very few exceptions.

Trevor Noah, though, doesn't work for the government or a campaign unless one can somehow prove that Comedy Central is directly funded by the government or one of its political parties.

Edited October 12, 2018 by anatess2

[NeuroTypical]

1 hour ago, anatess2 said:

Just like it is illegal for non-citizens to vote in US elections, it is also illegal for non-citizens to donate to an official campaign, get paid to work for an official campaign, etc. 

Can't donate money to campaigns?  Ok - that's quite a far cry from "everything being illegal for a foreign GOVERNMENT to influence American politics outside of diplomatic agreements."

So pile up a 6 foot high pile of papers, each one containing a different way for a foreign government to influence American politics.  Take the "donate money" sheet out and don't do it, because that's illegal.  You're still left with a 6-foot-minus-one-page high stack of papers with ways to do it, and those ways are not illegal.

 

[JohnsonJones]

3 hours ago, anatess2 said:

Big difference between individual citizens of a foreign country (like me) campaigning in American politics.

Completely different - and illegal - for a foreign GOVERNMENT to influence American politics outside of diplomatic agreements.

Depends on how big the influence and how it comes in.  With some individuals, there is no difference.

It's like saying an Agent of Great Britain that is influencing American politics is NOT an intrusion.  As MANY of these foreign agents directly reflect their own nations majority opinion towards the US, it IS their nation directly influence and impacting US politics. 

It's the entire reason why US media and other entertainment arenas are NOT allowed in some nations unless censored, because they know that such areas can be a BIGGER source of influence upon their politics than any ridiculous pointing of fingers towards questionable ads that people may or may not have even paid attention to.  These foreign nationals are directly catering to specific audiences to create ideas and cause them to think in certain ways.

If you had that much influence and were reflecting the majority opinion of your nation upon US politics, then yes, I would ALSO include you. 

One should pay attention to their OWN nation and their OWN politics rather than trying to intrude upon our own...unless they will acquiesce to US troops invading, wiping out their own government, and letting the US government take over.  If they are asking us to do that, then by all means they can have a say...AFTER they are part of the US.

However, if they are offended at the thought of the US taking over their own nation and government, they have NO excuse at intruding on ours.

Yes...I guess I'm somewhat of a hardline on this.  Luckily, this ideology is not shared by most Democrats and they would stop such a thing from happening.  Heck, as long as foreigners agree with the hard left socialistic liberals, those sorts would welcome a take over of our nation.  If they could have Communist China take over the US and put hardline socialistic liberals in charge, those far left Democrats who cater to certain ideas would do it in an instant. 

Those not quite that far left (such as I) and Republicans would fight tooth and nail against such a thing, but reactions against foreign influence are limited today due to the far left who would welcome another nation's take over of the US...and in some ways directly try to have that occur in our politics today already.

I find it ironic that thus, they point their fingers towards Russia in an attempt to hide their OWN acceptance and pushing of foreign meddling today.

[JohnsonJones]

I thought I'd add a little to balance it out.  As long as we are hearing my zany and crazy opinions on the economy and politics...

The Far right is not completely innocent but in a different way (in my opinion).  I'm do not look any more favorably upon them.  When you have business men that sell out their own nation and would rather go to other nations or betray the US for their own profit and power, I'm not amused at it either.

When they decide that American's cost to much to employ and taxes in the US are too high, they take their production out of the US reducing US jobs and place them in foreign nations.  They do this to get cheap labor and in many instances, avoid taxes.  It is ironic that these are many of those who are the big leaders of the extremely far right (just like the above is NOT to be confused with your standard liberal, this is not to be confused with your standard conservative) are also those that are the targets of the Right today (the efforts to increase tariffs from China and other locations these individual park their production facilities). 

However, in some ways, theirs is NOT the influence on elections that the extreme left tries to introduce with their media, but more of behavior that directly impacts the way the US is supporting it's middle class and the divide between the Rich and the Poor (which has an ever increasing gulf).

Extremes in EITHER direction are problematic (in my view) and cause more pain and hardship than help.

Obviously just my crazy and zany opinion.

[anatess2]

On 10/12/2018 at 2:44 PM, NeuroTypical said:

Can't donate money to campaigns?  Ok - that's quite a far cry from "everything being illegal for a foreign GOVERNMENT to influence American politics outside of diplomatic agreements."

So pile up a 6 foot high pile of papers, each one containing a different way for a foreign government to influence American politics.  Take the "donate money" sheet out and don't do it, because that's illegal.  You're still left with a 6-foot-minus-one-page high stack of papers with ways to do it, and those ways are not illegal.

 

Dunno what you're saying here.

It is illegal for foreign GOVERNMENTS to influence US elections period.  Foreign citizens is different from foreign governments.  So, I volunteered on US elections and I have family connections to the Philippine government.  But I volunteered on my own accord and not as an edict from the Philippine government.  If it was, then you could have a Mueller investigation titled  "Philippine collusion to influence US elections" or some such.

[anatess2]

On 10/12/2018 at 4:16 PM, JohnsonJones said:

Depends on how big the influence and how it comes in.  With some individuals, there is no difference.

It's like saying an Agent of Great Britain that is influencing American politics is NOT an intrusion.  As MANY of these foreign agents directly reflect their own nations majority opinion towards the US, it IS their nation directly influence and impacting US politics. 

It's the entire reason why US media and other entertainment arenas are NOT allowed in some nations unless censored, because they know that such areas can be a BIGGER source of influence upon their politics than any ridiculous pointing of fingers towards questionable ads that people may or may not have even paid attention to.  These foreign nationals are directly catering to specific audiences to create ideas and cause them to think in certain ways.

If you had that much influence and were reflecting the majority opinion of your nation upon US politics, then yes, I would ALSO include you. 

One should pay attention to their OWN nation and their OWN politics rather than trying to intrude upon our own...unless they will acquiesce to US troops invading, wiping out their own government, and letting the US government take over.  If they are asking us to do that, then by all means they can have a say...AFTER they are part of the US.

However, if they are offended at the thought of the US taking over their own nation and government, they have NO excuse at intruding on ours.

Yes...I guess I'm somewhat of a hardline on this.  Luckily, this ideology is not shared by most Democrats and they would stop such a thing from happening.  Heck, as long as foreigners agree with the hard left socialistic liberals, those sorts would welcome a take over of our nation.  If they could have Communist China take over the US and put hardline socialistic liberals in charge, those far left Democrats who cater to certain ideas would do it in an instant. 

Those not quite that far left (such as I) and Republicans would fight tooth and nail against such a thing, but reactions against foreign influence are limited today due to the far left who would welcome another nation's take over of the US...and in some ways directly try to have that occur in our politics today already.

I find it ironic that thus, they point their fingers towards Russia in an attempt to hide their OWN acceptance and pushing of foreign meddling today.

British Entertainment people are private citizens.  They can yammer on about US elections without a problem as long as they're not paid for it by a campaign.

An AGENT of the British Government is not a private citizen.  He works for the British government and, therefore, cannot influence US elections.  Christopher Steele should be in jail.

But that said, the US typically only brings charges up if the influencing was successful.  They don't usually make a fuss over something that did not affect outcomes because it is not worth hurting diplomatic ties over something that did not matter.

Where the hypocricy lies is that the American government is a kingmaker of other nations.  That's what makes me mad about this "Russian collusion to US elections" bullcrap when the Obama administration sent money to Israel to beat Netanyahu.  The US has a long history of choosing the next Philippine President even having fighter jets do fly-bys over militant protesters.

[NeuroTypical]

52 minutes ago, anatess2 said:

It is illegal for foreign GOVERNMENTS to influence US elections period.  

Ok, but you might as well have laws against the sun rising for all the good it'll do.    Foreign governments exist, in part, to influence other nations.  That includes elections.  Are you of the opinion that it just doesn't happen in the US? 

 

 

[anatess2]

4 minutes ago, NeuroTypical said:

Ok, but you might as well have laws against the sun rising for all the good it'll do.    Foreign governments exist, in part, to influence other nations.  That includes elections.  Are you of the opinion that it just doesn't happen in the US? 

 

 

Read my response to JohnsonJones underneath yours.

[Vort]

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Edited October 15, 2018 by Vort

[anatess2]

22 minutes ago, Vort said:

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It is so succinct it is invisible.

[Vort]

1 minute ago, anatess2 said:

It is so succinct it is invisible.

My statement speaks for itself.

[anatess2]

15 minutes ago, Vort said:

My statement speaks for itself.

Mind.  Blown.