Presidential Debate

[mirkwood]

 

A dwarf warrior with his fountain pen prepares to face off with some silly bronies.

[Carborendum]

It looks like a narrative is beginning where the left thinks that the puppet Biden is still better than Trump.  We'll see which narrative actually wins the day.

If they go with Biden as he his, the leftist media will change their tune and go bat-guano crazy over how good he is.  A deepfake will come out with him giving a rousing speech (or a real speech that is far below the level of "rousing") and they will use phrases like "Biden has electrified his base!" Or "I've never seen a crowd so enthralled!'  "A true inspiration!"

Yes, this dead man has risen from the grave.

[mikbone]

I wonder how Trump will take it when he loses to this.

Overheard this morning on Fox Business News. “Biden is aging worse than an open mayonnaise jar in the sun.”

Edited July 1, 2024 by mikbone

[NeuroTypical]

4 years ago, as people were forecasting the end of the world because of President Biden, this was my take.   

"The nation can survive 4 years of a weak frail president.  We've done it in the past.  Someone will be running the show, regardless of whether we know who it is or not.  Whether Biden just delegates everything, or people just take over and only prep him with what he needs to say, it'll happen."

Now, 4 years later, the world hasn't ended, and we still have a strong nation with intact institutions. 

I really don't want to normalize this sort of thing though.  Turning the office of president into an obviously manipulatable rubber-stamp, isn't a good look, or a good idea.  When nations do this historically, they can still continue, but the power of citizens electing their executives is worth preserving.  I want to be represented, not ruled.  By someone I either voted for, or lost to those who did.  Not by people I may or may not even know, who were not elected.

Edited July 1, 2024 by NeuroTypical

[Phoenix_person]

4 hours ago, Carborendum said:

It looks like a narrative is beginning where the left thinks that the puppet Biden is still better than Trump.  We'll see which narrative actually wins the day.

If they go with Biden as he his, the liberal media will change their tune and go bat-guano crazy over how good he is.  A deepfake will come out with him giving a rousing speech (or a real speech that is far below the level of "rousing") and they will use phrases like "Biden has electrified his base!" Or "I've never seen a crowd so enthralled!'  "A true inspiration!"

Yes, this dead man has risen from the grave.

FTFY. There is no prominent "leftist" media at the level of outlets like HuffPo, MSNBC, etc. If there were, they'd be doing the same thing the rest of the leftists are doing: screaming for literally anyone else to run against Trump. I think some of us would be willing settle for Dean Phillips at this point.

[Traveler]

My impression is that things are about to get worse.  This summer will change some things both in our country and the world.  

 

The Traveler

[LDSGator]

6 hours ago, Phoenix_person said:

I think some of us would be willing settle for Dean Phillips at this point.

Why doesn’t your side go with the easy choice and pick Kamala Harris?

[mikbone]

Didn't Jimmy Carter just serve one term?

Maybe they should give him another chance.

Or how about this?

“First, Biden resigns before the convention. Second, Harris succeeds him as president. Third, with what would be the unanimous assent of the Democratic Caucus (which is all she needs, if she needs even that), Harris appoints Barack Obama as her vice president and registers him as her running mate for the 2024 election.”

https://apple.news/AWtv4WSojQgmm9EBXzRzhZg

Edited July 2, 2024 by mikbone

[Traveler]

6 hours ago, Phoenix_person said:

FTFY. There is no prominent "leftist" media at the level of outlets like HuffPo, MSNBC, etc. If there were, they'd be doing the same thing the rest of the leftists are doing: screaming for literally anyone else to run against Trump. I think some of us would be willing settle for Dean Phillips at this point.

It is my opinion that the best option would be Rober F Kennedy Jr.   That is, if anyone is looking for someone that could bring both sides of this country together – a Democrat that would have an appeal to Republicans.   But then the divide may have come to the point that many would rather have a civil war than any kind of compromise.

 

The Traveler

[SpiritDragon]

I'm curious to see how this all plays out in the long run. Of course, my being Canadian leaves me at a disadvantage knowing what US citizens are actually going through and the reality on the ground, and of course even then it can be tricky to parse out what is bad policy, at what level of government and what is the result of external forces beyond government control.

In any event, it seems to me that the way the mainstream media has run cover for Biden is almost on the level of state-sponsored propaganda in favour of Trudeau here in Canada that has propped him up for nine years too long. So with the media seemingly turning on Biden during and right after the debate in some cases calling for a replacement, it strikes me that was the play all along to push this debate early in June so there would be time before the conventions to replace Biden. I mean, it seemed like even CNN was all too eager to jump on board the Biden lost the debate as though they had scripts written in advance knowing he'd finally showcase his obvious cognitive decline that has certainly become harder for him to hide than four years ago when it was still obvious he'd be like this by now.

Time will tell - was this staged to ruin Biden and usher in someone else? Was Biden supposed to win first and then be replaced to usher in someone else? Is this all just a bad miscalculation on the part of the Democrats? 

[zil2]

Nice to see you here, @SpiritDragon!

[SpiritDragon]

1 hour ago, zil2 said:

Nice to see you here, @SpiritDragon!

Thanks. It is rare of me to pop in these days.

[Phoenix_person]

9 hours ago, SpiritDragon said:

Is this all just a bad miscalculation on the part of the Democrats? 

Don't overcomplicate it. I try my best to assume that Occam's Razor applies until I have credible reason to think it doesn't. 

I've been voting for Democrats my entire life. This is the party that turned on Howard Dean in '04 because he got a little too excited. It's a party that never thought Trump would actually beat Hillary. Miscalculations are a central feature of the Democratic Party brand. 

Edited July 2, 2024 by Phoenix_person

[Vort]

14 hours ago, mikbone said:

Didn't Jimmy Carter just serve one term?

Maybe they should give him another chance.

Or how about this?

“First, Biden resigns before the convention. Second, Harris succeeds him as president. Third, with what would be the unanimous assent of the Democratic Caucus (which is all she needs, if she needs even that), Harris appoints Barack Obama as her vice president and registers him as her running mate for the 2024 election.”

https://apple.news/AWtv4WSojQgmm9EBXzRzhZg

My guess, FWIW (=$0.00), is that the Supreme Court would disallow Obama from running for being elected to a presidential ticket.

[prisonchaplain]

Biden v. Trump. After all the handwringing (and I've done my share), that will be the choice. For the first time in my several decades of voting, I have no blame for any choice:

1. Biden--some are Democrats and will vote for the Democrat regardless. Others like Harris and expect her to replace Biden. Still others find Trump so loathsome that any candidate is preferable. In my town a Democrat candidate died one week before the election. He still won, because the Democrats figured anyone the party would choose to replace him would be better than a Republican.

2. Trump--some are Republicans and will vote for the Republican regardless. Others are Trump loyalists. Still others just find Biden (and the Democrats) so loathsome that any candidate is preferable.

3. None--vote down ballot, but not for President. A pox on both candidates. Shame on the parties for nominating them. 

I get all three perspectives. I have mine, but wow, what an awful slate this year. 

[Traveler]

3 hours ago, Phoenix_person said:

Don't overcomplicate it. I try my best to assume that Occam's Razor applies until I have credible reason to think it doesn't. 

I've been voting for Democrats my entire life. This is the party that turned on Howard Dean in '04 because he got a little too excited. It's a party that never thought Trump would actually beat Hillary. Miscalculations are a central feature of the Democratic Party brand. 

My party status is complicated – though I have attempted to be active in several possible parties (I have also registered and worked without any compensation as a lobbyist for various causes), there is just far more critically important issues (not so much for what is claimed during the election process but for what legislation is voted for and passed) that I disagree with than what I can find to agree with.  Because you are a voting Democrat, I am glad you are posting on our forum, but if I may, I have one question that haunts me about those that support Democratic candidates.  I do not know a more important issue on the world state than the Abraham Accords.  Why would you (or any other voting Democrat) vote for someone that does not support the Abraham Accords?    I do not know of a single Democrat in all of congress that supports (not by political speech but by vote), the Abraham Accords – Why?????

 

The Traveler

[LDSGator]

1 hour ago, Traveler said:

I do not know a more important issue on the world state than the Abraham Accords.

To you that’s the most important issue in the world. And it is an important one.

However, to others, it’s totally irrelevant. 

[Traveler]

1 hour ago, LDSGator said:

To you that’s the most important issue in the world. And it is an important one.

However, to others, it’s totally irrelevant. 

Just wondering – the escalation and emanate threat of nuclear war is totally irrelevant to who?

 

The Traveler

[LDSGator]

8 minutes ago, Traveler said:

Just wondering – the escalation and emanate threat of nuclear war is totally irrelevant to who?

 

The Traveler

I didn’t say it’s irrelevant to me. The majority of voters have no idea what you are talking about though. 
 

Sorry trav. I know it’s a bitter pill when no one cares about issues that we are passionate about. 

Edited July 2, 2024 by LDSGator

[Ironhold]

Trying to find a credible website that doesn't block those who use ad blockers, but the gist of it is that one Democrat has already gone public with his call for Biden to resign so that a new candidate can be appointed. 

[Traveler]

2 hours ago, LDSGator said:

I didn’t say it’s irrelevant to me. The majority of voters have no idea what you are talking about though. 
 

Sorry trav. I know it’s a bitter pill when no one cares about issues that we are passionate about. 

I sort of understand – not even Fox News says anything about the Abraham Accords, and it is never a question brought up in the presidential debates or campaign speeches or literature.  I do not think it is a matter of passion as it is ignorance, and I cannot figure out why; especially since the two major parties seem to be so divided over it.  When I bring it up – many republicans act like a dear in the headlights (What the?) and the democrats act like they have never heard of it.  Likely because Biden has screwed it up so badly.  I have a theory that the hawks (both parties but mainly democrats that tout various levels of anti-military) behind the military industrial complex that blame everything on Russia or wild conspiracy theories.

But then, I have been amazed that there are among the common folk (not among societies billionaires) anyone that thinks compound interest is a good economic idea.

 

The Traveler

[Phoenix_person]

7 hours ago, LDSGator said:

To you that’s the most important issue in the world. And it is an important one.

However, to others, it’s totally irrelevant. 

Depends on how you look at it. The Israel/Palestine conflict is practically the only reason there are (relatively) so many uncommitted delegates going to the DNC this year. Hamas torched the Abraham Accords last October, and Israel has been nuking the Accords ever since. They managed to undo 30 years of peace talks without any help from Biden. No one's talking about the Abraham Accords because there are bigger fish to fry right now, just as I doubt anyone was opining about the Treaty of Versailles when the Nazis took Paris.

[NeuroTypical]

[Meanwhile on TikTok, another thousand millennials form their first opinion of Biden…]
 

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZPRE9XwMH/

 

The comments section is a blast.

[Carborendum]

11 hours ago, Phoenix_person said:

They managed to undo 30 years of peace talks without any help from Biden.

Uh-huh.

[Carborendum]

1 hour ago, NeuroTypical said:

[Meanwhile on TikTok, another thousand millennials form their first opinion of Biden…]

You can really tell Biden loves his black voters.