Trump just won the election

[LDSGator]

54 minutes ago, Vort said:

What, Trump is evil because he supposedly committed adultery with a porn star,

I don’t know man. If you or I as married men had sex with porn stars, that would absolutely be evil, no matter how we tried to point fingers at others for their misbehavior. Both Kamala and Trump have serious immorality issues when it comes to sex.    

[LDSGator]

I can’t imagine my bishop being cool with it if I said, “Yeah I got caught having sex with multiple porn stars, but Jill over there got knocked up by someone other than her husband. Go excommunicate her and give me a slap on the wrist.”  

[Vort]

12 minutes ago, LDSGator said:

I can’t imagine my bishop being cool with it if I said, “Yeah I got caught having sex with multiple porn stars, but Jill over there got knocked up by someone other than her husband. Go excommunicate her and give me a slap on the wrist.”  

You're missing the point. Democrats are playing the Pharisee role as whited sepulchres.

Talking to your bishop about your moral transgressions is vastly different from judging the suitability of political candidates. In the former case, I agree that when you're undergoing Church discipline, the faults of others are generally not relevant. In the latter case, it might well make sense to use a tu quoque argument ("you did it, too"). In this case, it would be a tu peius argument ("you are worse"). (I suppose in Harris' case, that would be tu peia, assuming she's identifying as female these days.)

Biden/Harris are vastly worse than Trump, whatever Trump's failings. That is the point, and is the only point. Stretching the comparison beyond that ignores the central issue. Even if Trump is fully guilty of the adultery the Left wants to pin on him, that pales in comparison to Harris' perfidy. If one of the two has to be my leader, I'll put my vote behind the one who didn't whore himself out in order to gain a political advantage.

[LDSGator]

5 minutes ago, Vort said:

You're missing the point. Democrats are playing the Pharisee role as whited sepulchres.

Talking to your bishop about your moral transgressions is vastly different from judging the suitability of political candidates. In the former case, I agree that when you're undergoing Church discipline, the faults of others are generally not relevant. In the latter case, it might well make sense to use a tu quoque argument ("you did it, too"). In this case, it would be a tu peius argument ("you are worse"). (I suppose in Harris' case, that would be tu peia, assuming she's identifying as female these days.)

Biden/Harris are vastly worse than Trump, whatever Trump's failings. That is the point, and is the only point. Stretching the comparison beyond that ignores the central issue. Even if Trump is fully guilty of the adultery the Left wants to pin on him, that pales in comparison to Harris' perfidy. If one of the two has to be my leader, I'll put my vote behind the one who didn't whore himself out in order to gain a political advantage.

Ok. 

[Vort]

9 minutes ago, Vort said:

If one of the two has to be my leader, I'll put my vote behind the one who didn't whore himself out in order to gain a political advantage.

If I'm honest, this is not really the reason at all. My reason is that I find Trump's policies and leadership to be vastly (not infinitely) better than Harris'. The sex/whore thing is basically my reaction to the Democrat strategy of one-sided, hypocritical lies and slander.

Edited August 14, 2024 by Vort

[NeuroTypical]

Since we're talking about good/evil, and thinking of Trump's consensual-but-sinful whoring about in that context, I wanted to just remind everyone about the dirt on Biden when it comes to pants-related issues.  One would suppose if you're going to learn/think/opine about one, you should also do the other. 

Remember Ashley Biden's leaked diary pages (here's my earlier post containing them).   Trump opiners - I want to hear what you think about Biden showering with his young daughter.

Remember Tara Reade, who accused Joe Biden of sexually assaulting her in 1993.  People upset about Trump's consensual activities, I want to hear what you think about such things when they're forced.  I especially want to hear what you think about the left's wagon-circling around Biden and attacking Reade.  Tell me what you think about a MeToo lawyer and Biden fan throwing her under the bus:

 

Those of you who have ever thought harshly of men using an unequal power dynamic in their favor, I want to hear what you think about the seeming endless slew of public photographs of Biden doing it publicly.  Tell me what you see in his target's eyes and body language.  Here are a few to get you started, let me know if you want more:

 

 

When the lefties and progressives began shouting #MeToo, and lecturing on consent, and yelling constantly about men in position of power, and the impact on unequal power dynamics, I was actually overall happy to have things discussed in the public forum.  Even if 90% of the yelling was pointed at Trump.

Then Biden ran, and it all seemed to just dry up and go away.   Kind of like how feminists got real quiet about politics when Bill Clinton was running.

 

Edited August 14, 2024 by NeuroTypical

[LDSGator]

11 minutes ago, NeuroTypical said:

Since we're talking about good/evil, and thinking of Trump's consensual-but-sinful whoring about in that context, I wanted to just remind everyone about the dirt on Biden when it comes to pants-related issues.  One would suppose if you're going to learn/think/opine about one, you should also do the other. 

Remember Ashley Biden's leaked diary pages (here's my earlier post containing them).   Trump opiners - I want to hear what you think about Biden showering with his young daughter.

Remember Tara Reade, who accused Joe Biden of sexually assaulting her in 1993.  People upset about Trump's consensual activities, I want to hear what you think about such things when they're forced.  I especially want to hear what you think about the left's wagon-circling around Biden and attacking Reade.  Tell me what you think about a MeToo lawyer and Biden fan throwing her under the bus:

 

Those of you who have ever thought harshly of men using an unequal power dynamic in their favor, I want to hear what you think about the seeming endless slew of public photographs of Biden doing it publicly.  Tell me what you see in his target's eyes and body language.  Here are a few to get you started, let me know if you want more:

 

 

 

That’s all true, Biden is a creepy old man who doesn’t know about boundaries. 
 

A lot of people, including myself, understand how politics corrupts people. We’re just slightly amused by how the party of “family values” that roasted Bill Clinton and preached morality is now switching lanes because their man agrees with their politics-but is also a sexual predator. They are doing for Trump what the democrats did for Clinton!  
 

You’ll have to forgive us if we laugh when/if the GOP tries to play the morality game again. 

Edited August 14, 2024 by LDSGator

[NeuroTypical]

3 minutes ago, LDSGator said:

We’re just slightly amused by how the party of “family values” that roasted Bill Clinton and preached morality is now switching lanes

One of my most treasured self-checks in my arsenal of arguing in public, is building in a "are you being a hypocrite" loop.   Basically, when I'm about to make some accusation or speak negatively about someone I consider on the other side of one of my fences, I try to ask myself what I'd be thinking and saying if one of "my guys" was on the receiving end of the same thing.   If I find a difference in my thoughts or speech, I go look in the mirror and go on a hunt for hypocrisy.  

In this case, I'd urge anyone to compare Biden's record and Trump's.  Read deeply.  Understand context.  Learn more about such things than you already know, even though it's uncomfortable, it's important stuff to know.  

[Phoenix_person]

44 minutes ago, NeuroTypical said:

One of my most treasured self-checks in my arsenal of arguing in public, is building in a "are you being a hypocrite" loop.   Basically, when I'm about to make some accusation or speak negatively about someone I consider on the other side of one of my fences, I try to ask myself what I'd be thinking and saying if one of "my guys" was on the receiving end of the same thing.   If I find a difference in my thoughts or speech, I go look in the mirror and go on a hunt for hypocrisy.  

In this case, I'd urge anyone to compare Biden's record and Trump's.  Read deeply.  Understand context.  Learn more about such things than you already know, even though it's uncomfortable, it's important stuff to know.  

There's a reason why I don't go out of my way to defend him. There are very few truly good politicians, and none of them are going to be at the top of the ticket in November. But Gator's right that 20 years ago, Christian conservatives would have recoiled at the thought of voting for someone with the moral failings of Donald Trump. The Republican party lost a lot of their perceived moral high ground when they put him on office 8 years ago, and putting him back on the ticket doesn't help things much. That doesn't excuse or diminish any moral failings of Dem politicians, but Dems haven't exactly been known to run on Christian moral values. Republicans historically have, and they're going to have a very hard time convincing moderate voters that they're still that party after going all in on Trump twice. I maintain that disaster likely awaits the post-Trump GOP, either within the next 6 months or 48.

[NeuroTypical]

46 minutes ago, Phoenix_person said:

But Gator's right that 20 years ago, Christian conservatives would have recoiled at the thought of voting for someone with the moral failings of Donald Trump. The Republican party lost a lot of their perceived moral high ground when they put him on office 8 years ago

I don't virtue signal very often, but I'm glad I publicly dumped Trump in 2016 and partnered with a leftie who hated Hilary, and we both got loud on facebook.   I remember I jumped ship like 2 weeks before the p-hat news broke.

But yeah, right about 20 years ago is when I gave up all hope that I'd ever have a national election that included one noble and moral candidate, and one degenerate free-lovin' commie-type.  It's been finding the one I despise more, and voting against that one.

For what it's worth, a couple months ago, we Colorado righties got so mad at the establishment party head R-Dave Williams, that we rushed to the primaries and made sure he wouldn't be on our ticket.  Went with the former talk radio host R-Jeff Crank.  Sick of 20 years of failed Republican leadership agreeing on nothing other than how to lose the next election.

[Traveler]

I am very conflicted.  The democrats seem to be running on the notion that they are not Trump and yet the only solid statement of what they will do is a copy of what Trump said he would do.  But then the republicans in general run on the notion that they are not democrats.

In the meantime, our social programs are so nuts and out of control that we are wasting over 90% of our social program funding and poverty is worse than it was 50 years ago when the democrats said they would help the poor escape poverty with the foundation of our current poverty and social programs.  The republicans say that they will fix it, but it does not get any better under their efforts. 

This is how I see it.  The democrats say the most stupid and insane things and are h#ll bent on doing the most stupid and insane things.  The republican say rational and intelligent things but are h#ll bent on doing the most stupid and insane things.   Trump, who is not a politician came along and said a lot of very rational and intelligent things but not in the politically correct way.  He also did a lot of rational and intelligent things – but not in the politically correct way.

No one should ever enter our country illegally.

No non-citizen should be allowed to demonstrate against any official or official policy while in this country.  They have every right to free speech in their country.

We should partner with our allies, not take over and pay their way.

Our leaders should be transparent about what they stand for and are attempting to accomplish.  They should also be honest about their past.

We have sufficient science and medical knowledge that 99% of unwanted pregnancies should never happen (women can do what they want with their bodies) – we should not be arguing over rape or abuse and for every abortion needed because of rape or abuse – someone should be convicted of a felony and sent to prison.   We can do DNA testing.

No one in the military should be deliberately sent into harms way without a declaration by congress.  We should not send aid into a conflict in which we are not willing to fight and if necessary, use nuclear weapons.

We should not aid any country that refuses diplomatic relationships or openly or covertly opposes us.

Lobbyists and special interests should not write a word of any bill presented in congress.   No legislator should present a bill or be allowed to vote on a bill they have not read.

I could list more but this should suffice for now.

 

 

The Traveler

[mirkwood]

Comparing Trump's one night stand to Biden's behavior with his daughter.  Yeah, you got issues of your own if you think those two have much comparison.

 

Trump and Stormy vs. Clinton and Monica?  Closer, but Clinton's behavior is far worse.  If you can't figure out why (or admit it) you got issues of your own.

 

None of the above behaviors are acceptable.

[LDSGator]

2 hours ago, Phoenix_person said:

. I maintain that disaster likely awaits the post-Trump GOP, either within the next 6 months or 48.

It depends on you define disaster. If you think it’ll be a Mondale-Reagan landslide, I highly doubt it.  I do think Trump will lose every “swing state” but I don’t think Alabama will turn blue. 

[mirkwood]

@NeuroTypical nailed it in his above post.  I have a number of hardcore dem friends.  Not. A. Single. One. will ever admit Clinton did anything wrong, or acknowledge that Biden is creepy (at best.)  Not. One.

The left is really really good at circling the wagons for "their guy/gal" no matter what.  I have seen many on the right vote third party when they are unhappy with "their guy/gal" acting in a manner they see as egregious.  I personally do not know of any on the left who have done the same.

 

Edited August 15, 2024 by mirkwood

[NeuroTypical]

18 hours ago, Traveler said:

for every abortion needed because of rape or abuse – someone should be convicted of a felony and sent to prison.  We can do DNA testing.

It would be nice if it were that easy, but it rarely is.  Proving someone left their DNA somewhere is not the same thing as proving a crime was committed.   When someone says "he did something bad", and he says "no I didn't", that's not enough to convict.  You need proof force was used, consent was not given.  Without it, you need to 'prove motive', which is quite a high bar.   Without witnesses, without social media bragging, without a pattern of provable behavior like a trail of victims, you don't get convictions.

Years ago when I was paying attention, one of the things the rape crisis centers tried to do for their victims, was help them understand their legal landscape and a path forward.  They tried hard to help victims understand that their healing journey should not be dependent on their abuser facing justice.  At the time, the statistics painted a bleak picture:   In the '90's, most rapes went unreported.  Most reported rapes went without an arrest being made.  Most arrests never made it to trial.  And most trials did not result in a plea or a guilty verdict. Pregnancies didn't alter these statistics the slightest little bit.   

I have little reason to think the landscape has changed in 2 decades.  

Here's a poser to folks who think rape is a good exception to laws against abortions: A good rape conviction takes a year or more.  Babies take 9 months.  Absent a confession, how would any pregnant woman ever qualify for a rape exemption?

 

[Carborendum]

On 8/14/2024 at 2:09 PM, Vort said:

If I'm honest, this is not really the reason at all. My reason is that I find Trump's policies and leadership to be vastly (not infinitely) better than Harris'. The sex/whore thing is basically my reaction to the Democrat strategy of one-sided, hypocritical lies and slander.

The real test is about what "morality" we care about in the halls of government.  While sex certainly sells, it is not the worst sin when it comes to wielding governmental power.

The greatest sin in government is abandoning Liberty and the Rule of Law.  This is not merely a political philosophy.  What greater crimes have been committed throughout history than those crimes committed by a tyrannical government?

Biden's (and I'd say most Democrats as well as many Republicans) record has been "Rules for thee, but not for me."  Yeah, let's violate any part of that pesky Constitution any time we feel like it. 

Let's take a look at our rights and see if we can consider who has been arrested, imprisoned, cancelled, fired, had armed thugs (both governmental and extra-governmental) come into people's homes and places of business because they were on the wrong side of a political issue?  "But this happens to people on both sides!!!"  If you say so.  But it has been pretty clear how many more conservatives have been at the receiving end of such punishment -- upon no legal basis.

What shady deal for self-enrichment has Trump been involved in via political power?  How many has Biden ben involved in?  Who has be repeatedly subject to Lawfare?  What executive orders have been written?  What laws have been passed?  What police and legal actions have been taken to take away the liberty of the individual?

And the greatest right for so called "religious right" is the right to freedom of religion.  Trump never did a thing to curtail that right.  The Left usually chooses religious liberty as the first target of tyranny.

Who is asking for freedom of speech to be curtailed via closing accounts and deleting of posts via social media?  Who is being censored more?  Conservatives are being arrested for simply holding up a sign.  While liberals are laying waste to cities in droves with impunity.  Those aren't conservatives looting all the stores in San Francisco.  Those aren't conservatives asking for the defunded policing in such cities.

The Trump interview hadn't even begun when the EU threatened X with sanctions for "misinformation."  How could they justify misinformation when the interview hadn't even begun yet?  They were even cyber-attacked to prevent them from broadcasting.

Of all the Presidents in my lifetime, only two were shot at (granted, one was only a former President and repeat candidate).  And there was one more that was physically assaulted.  All three were on the Republican ticket.  Is this in support of the rule of law?

I want the rule of law.  I want liberty to run my own life.  That is the greatest virtue of government.  I want that.

Edited August 15, 2024 by Carborendum

[JohnsonJones]

On 8/14/2024 at 2:15 PM, NeuroTypical said:

 

 

 

 

 

I'm still browsing this thread...but...uhmmm..

You know, it looks like at least two of those pictures are heavily photoshopped.

Like...obviously photoshopped.  Not sure that would lead people to the message you want to leave by posting something like that.

Edited August 26, 2024 by JohnsonJones

[Carborendum]

So, it appears that DeSantis has asked that the recent would be assassin be charged with attempted murder (the even happened in Florida).  Right now the federal authorities are charging him with some spitting on the sidewalk charges.  We can at least hope that further charges will eventually be posted.

In the meantime, it will be interesting to see who actually convicts him of anything while having split custody (I can't think of a better term) between state and federal authorities.

I still think Trump will not make it to inauguration even if he makes it to the election.  The rhetoric is too far gone.  Too many high profile Democrats are continuing the rhetoric that Trump will END DEMOCRACY, etc. Too many high profile Democrats have already shown their non-chalance about the attempted assassinations already.  Too many average people have commented things like "How on earth could you miss!!???"

All the crazies will come out of the woodwork.  And most Democrats will simply say,"Hey, that's just a small percentage of the crazies that are doing this.  We can't be responsible for them."

Uh-huh.  Yeah.  That's exactly what I was getting at. sure...

Edited September 17, 2024 by Carborendum

[mirkwood]

2 hours ago, Carborendum said:

 

In the meantime, it will be interesting to see who actually convicts him of anything while having split custody (I can't think of a better term) between state and federal authorities.

 

 

The case has already been sent Federal.  You do not do Federal and State on the same case.

[Carborendum]

12 hours ago, mirkwood said:

The case has already been sent Federal.  You do not do Federal and State on the same case.

Understood.

What I see happening is:

A: Federal just wants to give the guy a slap on the wrist.
B: When they are done with them, Florida will have a huge case built up against him and want him for attempted murder.
C: Federal will do what they can to protect him.
D: The only way to protect him is to keep him in custody.  win-win.

[Carborendum]

So, the debate last night simply showed that there was a politician even more clumsy and inept than Kamala.

This makes sense since the reason Biden picked Kamala was to show the world that he had more competency than someone.  It was also a safety net so that the VP would have no hope of being able to 25th Biden.

Kamala had to do the same.  And boy, oh, boy! 

When even MSNBC anchors are saying that Walz was blown out of the water... (a-hem) I mean, slightly outmatched, at some point, we have to beg them to stop the massacre.  I thought Walz was going to break down and cry at some point.

When I consider that the entire nation has been "wussified" I'm really looking for a leader.  I'd rather have a tyrant who only cares about himself (and not interested in gaining favors from any other power-seekers) than a weak person who can't make any decisions of importance.  

The other end of the stick would be a leader who doesn't do anything at all and tells all their law-enforcement agencies to do the same.  I might like that -- if done right.  Let the states handle things and just let the feds take a year off.

Edited October 2, 2024 by Carborendum

[NeuroTypical]

Honest, real, non-sarcastic facebook post by one of my liberal buddies:

 

List of accomplishments that make you qualified: 
- In lots of government for a lot of years.
- Not fired.

I mean, it's true, by this definition of the word, she's vastly more qualified than Trump. 

[Carborendum]

30 minutes ago, NeuroTypical said:

List of accomplishments that make you qualified: 
- In lots of government for a lot of years.
- Not fired.

I mean, it's true, by this definition of the word, she's vastly more qualified than Trump. 

Yup.  Look at the former head of the Secret Service.

[NeuroTypical]

On 8/26/2024 at 6:18 AM, JohnsonJones said:

I'm still browsing this thread...but...uhmmm..

You know, it looks like at least two of those pictures are heavily photoshopped.

Like...obviously photoshopped.  Not sure that would lead people to the message you want to leave by posting something like that.

Which ones were "obviously photoshopped" @JohnsonJones?

Here's the video source (not just picture, but video) for these two from an Australian news source, plus 3 other bits of creepy behaviors around various kids:  https://youtu.be/hh0PBr6ZUN0?si=DkThrf1hcaSxHk2x&t=13

 

 

Here's it as part of a Miluakee Journal Sentinal video - 0:45 seconds in.  It's unsourced, but again, is accompanied with plenty of other similar behaviors:  https://www.jsonline.com/videos/news/politics/2019/04/02/analysis-joe-biden-have-adjust-his-behavior/3346684002/

 

This is Eva Longoria, and this pic was snapped in 2014 at the Campaign for National Democrats. 

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/joe-biden-eva-longoria-urge-nevada-democrats-to-vote-if-we-vote-we-win-if-we-dont-we-lose

https://www.gettyimages.com/photos/joe-biden-and-eva-longoria-campaign-for-nevada-democrats

 

On 8/26/2024 at 6:18 AM, JohnsonJones said:

Not sure that would lead people to the message you want to leave by posting something like that.

The message: 

"Those of you who have ever thought harshly of men using an unequal power dynamic in their favor, I want to hear what you think about the seeming endless slew of public photographs of Biden doing it publicly.  [...] When the lefties and progressives began shouting #MeToo, and lecturing on consent, and yelling constantly about men in position of power, and the impact on unequal power dynamics, I was actually overall happy to have things discussed in the public forum.  Even if 90% of the yelling was pointed at Trump.

Then Biden ran, and it all seemed to just dry up and go away.   Kind of like how feminists got real quiet about politics when Bill Clinton was running."

And I posted some, hardly all, only a few of the many, many, many images of Biden getting publicly handsy with women and girls, some who look pretty dang uncomfortable with his behavior.

I get that it's an uncomfortable subject, but sometimes the best reaction is to acknowledge and internalize the truth.  Rather than assume you know how to spot a photoshopped image and accuse me of posting some.

 

[LDSGator]

33 minutes ago, NeuroTypical said:

I get that it's an uncomfortable subject, but sometimes the best reaction is to acknowledge and internalize the truth.  Rather than assume you know how to spot a photoshopped image and accuse me of posting some.

As a young man I thought things like “the truth” mattered, but one of the saddest things about growing up is realizing that very few people care about such lofty and idealistic words like “the truth”, especially in politics. 
 

I’ve turned into Benjamin from Animal Farm when it comes to politics.  

Edited October 3, 2024 by LDSGator