Colirio
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35 minutes ago, mirkwood said:
The handful of Canadians I know are all pro gun and pro USA. They are also pro socialized medicine.
Same here!
To be fair, they all have lived in the US most of their lives....
I do tend to wonder how big a part gun control will play in the upcoming US elections.
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From the article-
“Canada has banned assault-style weapons following the murder of 22 people in the worst mass shooting in the country’s history, Justin Trudeau announced on Friday.
“These weapons were designed for one purpose and one purpose only: to kill the largest number of people in the shortest amount of time. There is no use and no place for such weapons in Canada,” said the prime minister. “Effective immediately, it is no longer permitted to buy, sell, transport, import or use military-grade assault weapons in this country.””
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““Justin Trudeau is using the current pandemic and the immediate emotion of the horrific attack in Nova Scotia to push the Liberals’ ideological agenda to make major firearms policy changes,” said the Conservative leader, Andrew Scheer, following Trudeau’s comments. “Taking firearms away from law-abiding citizens does nothing to stop dangerous criminals who obtain their guns illegally.”“
This quote at the end of the article is what I found truly fascinating -“An “overwhelming majority” majority of Canadians – nearly four out of five people – support the ban, according to a poll from the Angus Reid Institute, released Friday.“
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1 hour ago, MormonGator said:
And in a very real way-think about this. You (Generic! Generic!) are talking about what a tyranny the USA has become.
I agree that we are far from the level of tyranny of other nations. I’m not sure that I have seen anyone claim otherwise; on these forums, at least.
I realize you probably already recognize this, but just because things could be worse doesn’t mean that people are left without reason for complaint.
Just because @Vort isn’t punching your nose doesn’t mean that you can’t complain about him spitting on you.
- NightSG, Midwest LDS and mordorbund
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1 hour ago, Colirio said:
So then, in your opinion, if the system fails to give appropriate redress, would it be considered tyranny?
1 hour ago, MormonGator said:It's not an exact science, there are obviously layers to it.
But as a general rule, yes.
I agree with you as a general rule.
And in an effort to find common ground with others, I have found that most people probably believe the same way.
And I guess that would be their main point. If they feel that their complaints fall on deaf government ears, and that their appeals to the government for redress of wrongs committed by that government goes nowhere, they justifiably could refer to the system as tyrannical. They would see it as a system that falsely claims to have redress of grievances.
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1 hour ago, MormonGator said:
Great question.
One of the most amazing things about our country is that we can sue the government and hold them accountable for their actions. If a police officer makes a false arrest, he or she can be held accountable after the fact. If he or she uses unlawful force, they themselves can be arrested. When the state takes away that right, and Officer Sarah can use lethal force on trespassers just because she feels like it, that's tyranny.
I'm not certain about this, but I think @mirkwood isn't allowed to open fire on jaywalkers and shoplifters just because he feels like playing Punisher for a few hours.
So, to summarize, if there is a working system for the redress of grievances, then it’s not tyranny?
I would agree with that assessment if so.
So then, in your opinion, if the system fails to give appropriate redress, would it be considered tyranny?
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1 minute ago, MormonGator said:
No worries bud, I know it's never personal.
One incident of overreach does not mean it's tyranny or that we live in Mussolini's Italy. Quite frankly, if you (generic) consider this tyranny you should talk to people who live in North Korea or Mogadishu. Than, you'll know what "real tyranny" and "Authoritarianism" is all about.
I definitely agree that those authoritarian regimes are textbook tyranny under definition 1. We are very blessed by God and through the sacrifices of our ancestors to not be currently under governing systems.
I was just curious as to where the line would be drawn to define number 2.
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1 hour ago, MormonGator said:
Honestly? No.
Interesting.
Out of curiosity, what about in the case presented in the other thread where the city stated that there had been overreach by the police officers involved?
Would overreach meet the criteria of the definition in your opinion? (Just to be clear, I’m genuinely curious and it trying to prove a point.)
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18 hours ago, MormonGator said:
This isn't "tyranny" and we should be careful falling into that trap-this isn't pleasant, but this is hardly "tyranny".
tyr·an·ny/ˈtirənē/noun1. a nation under cruel and oppressive government.2. cruel, unreasonable, or arbitrary use of power or control.3. rule by one who has absolute power without legal right.
Do you think that any of the cases presented could meet definition #2 as an unreasonable use of power? -
I’m just saying that if restrictions against travel and outdoor location activities had been less strict during the quarantine, we might have had more people out in the sunlight....
🧗♂️ 🏄♀️ 🚵♂️ 🏇 🤾♀️ 🏊♂️ 🌞
Just sayin’.
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3 hours ago, anatess2 said:
PRESIDENT DUTERTE HAS GONE FULL RETARD.
After Quarantine is lifted on May 15 - everybody can go out EXCEPT FOR 0-20 years old and 60+ years old. MOST MISSIONARIES ARE UNDER 20 YEARS OLD!
DEATH RATE OF 0-20 year old from Covid-19??? STATISTICALLY ZERO.
Who else is supposed to stay behind and change the diapers?!?💩 🤮
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1 minute ago, MormonGator said:
If the baker was a little smarter, he would have baked the cake, took their money and donated it to a conservative group advocating for values he agreed with.
I think I understand where you are coming from, MG.
We all have to choose which battles we are going to fight and where we draw our line in the sand. It’s a matter of weighing the cost of the battle versus the rewards we hope to gain.
I would also say that sometimes we are asked to make heavy sacrifices based on the light and knowledge we have received from God. We have hope that those sacrifices will be rewarded after this life and that they will be worth the cost of our battles.
I can only assume this is why he refused to bake the cake. If so, I personally believe that he will be rewarded for his sacrifices made because of the faith he has in his God.
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23 minutes ago, MormonGator said:
Oh, I remember.
What I don’t remember is Tipper Gore ever being considered part of the “right.”
Religious? 🤔 Sure. Why not?
Right? 🤨
That being said, having grown up in the Bible Belt, I have witnessed all manner of outlandish claims and boycotts. My favorite one was when everyone was boycotting Tide (yes, the laundry detergent) because a percentage of their profits went to “support devil worshipping.” I am not making that up. Being a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints pretty much made me an outcast from day one. -
13 hours ago, MormonGator said:
No they didn't. Because the right continued to protest in the 90's over numerous things too. Remember the Tipper Gore crusade to get the "Parental Advisory" sticker on albums that had questionable lyrics?
Wait...Tipper Gore is part of the religious right?
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2 hours ago, mordorbund said:
Greatest. Response. Ever. -
19 minutes ago, pam said:
And I'm sure these police officers are frustrated just for the fact they are having to arrest someone ...
Seriously.
Just having to fill out the paperwork for the arrest would have irritated me.
IF she was hoping to actually get the law changed, her fight would have been at city hall, not with some police officer at a park who has no ability to change the legality of anything.
Reading the story makes me think she got the 15 minutes of fame she was hoping for.
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47 minutes ago, Emmanuel Goldstein said:
Plan
I think you give too much credit already...- Anddenex and mordorbund
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4 minutes ago, Vort said:
I really should follow this example more often.
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2 hours ago, MormonGator said:
Just to be clear, when the left compares Trump to Hitler, that's wrong and ridiculous too.
I don’t agree with this sentiment.
I can agree that it is often overused in efforts to deride those with dissenting opinions on all manner of subjects.
However, the fact is that he really existed, those things really occurred, and it is imperative that we are able to remember them in order to not repeat the same mistakes. (Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.) As such, discussions should occur and comparisons should be made in the light of truth and for greater understanding.
So, while it is mostly used as a dismissive tactic to add an emotionally responsive impact to a person’s argument, there is validity when used properly.
Besides, you know who else wants us to quit making comparisons to Hitler?
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18 hours ago, mrmarklin said:
No supposed emergency ever justifies any compromise of our God given rights. No exceptions.
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3 hours ago, Vort said:
https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/15/politics/kellyanne-conway-covid-19-coronavirus/index.html
Either Chris Cillizza is so incredibly stupid that he doesn't recognize a silly and rather obvious joke, or (perhaps more likely) he's a liar looking to smear someone falsely and hoping that everyone else is too stupid to see through his deception. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and just say he's an imbecile.
If you want more evidence why CNN has fallen from respectability to sub-NYT levels, here is yet another example.
It would be incredibly helpful in the future if you would copy a paste a summary from the story so that we don’t have to generate more traffic for these sites. -
16 hours ago, prisonchaplain said:
So, you might have heard of this generation called BOOMERS. They call us that because we make up something called the baby boom. In other words, there were and are a lot of us. And, yeah, many more mature folk like the feel of real books and magazines.
My grandparents had a magnifying glass in their library and next to their nightstands. They would have the lamp on as they fell asleep with the book in one hand and the magnifying glass in the other.
The entirety of the world’s libraries in my hand at night automatically dims its backlight so as not to disturb my wife while she sleeps. I consider it a chore to set my phone on its wireless charger when my eyelids get too heavy.
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Truth be told, @prisonchaplain, I believe most liberties are being threatened in the USA right now, not just ones with religious values.
It seems to me that we live in an age, being the time before the second coming of the Savior, and as such there is great commotion in the hearts of men.
It seems that every idea is being challenged. And while that has always been the case to a lesser extent, our modern society actually promotes the idea that we are supposed to give pause and consider the values of the challenge. In yesteryears we would have simply dismissed these challenges as preposterous.
But now, with good being considered evil and evil being considered good, we are forced to reweigh the supposed virtues of absurd ideals and give consideration lest we be labeled as uneducated bigots.
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2 minutes ago, NeuroTypical said:
Yeesh - scary story from my cousin's wife in Utah. She tells Facebook her whole family has been quarantining for 3 weeks, only going to the grocery and pet store. 1 week ago she started having symptoms and isolated herself from her family as best she could. Then the rest of her family except one kid started having symptoms. Today's update:
Dang people, stay safe!!!
Wow!
That really is awful. I hope that they all have a full recovery.
I also had severe pneumonia about two years ago, but eventually made a full recovery. I also have well-controlled asthma. I can totally relate to how she feels. Not being able to breathe affects everything you do as it robs you of oxygen, thereby robbing you of your energy.
I truly hope for the best for her.
Kneeling to bless sacrament.
in LDS Gospel Discussion
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From the Handbook:
18.9.4
Instructions -
4. After the hymn, the person blessing the bread kneels and says the sacrament prayer for the bread (see Doctrine and Covenants 20:77).
That being said, in regards to the main topic, I find nowhere does it state that kneeling must be done on both knees as opposed to one knee. Certainly the dictionary doesn’t make the distinction:
kneel
/nēl/
verb
be in or assume a position in which the body is supported by a knee or the knees, as when praying or showing submission.
Likewise, arrangements can and should be made for special circumstances by the presiding authority, in this case the branch president, as to what is acceptable.