Mormon Tabernacle Choir singer quits because she claims Trump represents tyranny and fascism

[mirkwood]

On ‎1‎/‎7‎/‎2017 at 10:08 AM, MormonGator said:

It's because people lack the ability to look inward. You have to make a concentrated effort to do so, and no one wants to do that because they might not like what they see they are wearing. 

Fixed that for you.

 

 

[prisonchaplain]

The more I think about it the less excited I get.  If I have the chronology right:

1. Sis. Chamberlain hears that the choir will be singing at the inauguration, and is told she can put in for the lottery, if she wants to participate.

2. She not only does not want to participate, she does not believe the choir should be part of a celebration for President Elect Trump, because he's bad.

3. She considers simply not putting in for the lottery, but decides she is so disappointed that the choir will sing for Trump, that she must resign.

4. She posts her thoughts about this on FB, and gets some very negative push back.

5. Media pick up on her resignation, and she does an interview or two.

I understand why some believe she's using her resignation from the church's official choir to bolster her political message, but FB posting is so common these days. I just can't see this as such a big deal.  If nothing else, it's better that she resigned and protested, rather than stay in and make a lot of noise. That latter might have implied that there was some kind of political factions within the choir.

Opponents of the political views of Sis. Chamberlain would probably do well to stop . . .   This is story is already a forgotten memory for most non-LDS, non Utah Americans.

[NeuroTypical]

Random tangent: The MoTab once got a gig singing the Black Speech of Mordor for the soundtrack of a Lord of the Rings software game.  I bet there was less opposition in the choir to that, than singing for Trump.

[prisonchaplain]

17 hours ago, NeuroTypical said:

Random tangent: The MoTab once got a gig singing the Black Speech of Mordor for the soundtrack of a Lord of the Rings software game.  I bet there was less opposition in the choir to that, than singing for Trump.

Personally, if I had been LDS at the time . . .

[Vort]

19 hours ago, prisonchaplain said:

Opponents of the political views of Sis. Chamberlain would probably do well to stop . . .   This is story is already a forgotten memory for most non-LDS, non Utah Americans.

Opposition to Sister Chamberlin's actions has been almost 100% reactionary. Those who have voiced opposition to what she did have done so in response to others praising her as if she's somehow courageous or something. When the plaudits for her actions cease, I'm guessing you will not see any more condemnation, either.

[prisonchaplain]

34 minutes ago, Vort said:

Opposition to Sister Chamberlin's actions has been almost 100% reactionary. Those who have voiced opposition to what she did have done so in response to others praising her as if she's somehow courageous or something. When the plaudits for her actions cease, I'm guessing you will not see any more condemnation, either.

Since this string started as an open-ended discussion of the story, my goal in life has been achieved.  I am part of the 1%! 

[Guest MormonGator]

37 minutes ago, prisonchaplain said:

  I am part of the 1%! 

So dinner is on you tonight? Thanks bud! 

[prisonchaplain]

17 minutes ago, MormonGator said:

So dinner is on you tonight? Thanks bud! 

And you don't even have to order from the value menu! 

[Traveler]

 

One of the criticism of Christ was that he spent a lot of time with deplorable “unworthy” types and therefore should by shunned by all those that are obviously much more righteous.

I have often wondered how many people will leave heaven; if by some miracle Hitler was to repent and find forgiveness.  Perhaps I am wrong but I have the impression that Lucifer rebelled – at least in part over the thought that the unworthy might repent and have heavenly place.

Trump is no divine answer to America’s problems – but who in our life time has been?  Martin Luther King Jr. ????  Who was 100% faithful to his wife and family????  If we are willing to cast a stone – we better make sure we are without sin ourselves.

 

The Traveler

[mirkwood]

22 hours ago, Traveler said:

 Who was 100% faithful to his wife and family????  

Uhhhh....me and lots of other people I know.  I have my shortcomings but that sure isn't one of them.  I find it remarkable that you would place that accusation on, well frankly, it looks like every married person.

[a mustard seed]

I agree with mirkwood. Thats a pretty low standard to set - JUST being faithful to wife and family. So trying to justify when its not met is pouring on the wrong side of the glass. I think it is ok, in an imperfect world, to still demand a certain standard of accountability. 

That being said, theres a quote by one of the authorities in the church, I forget who, that says we shouldn't mistake the wicked as having our best interest at heart just because their goals work for us. The example given was about there not being a lot of advocates of the first amendment if not for the lucrative nature of pornography. It also counseled against trusting these people because evil reviles all righteousness and it will eventually try to destroy it. I think there is "not being judgemental" and then there is sheep lying down with the wolves. The fact of the matter is, Trump has not shown himself to be a good man of upright character and I dont think "he's good enough because I too have sinned" is a good mindset to go into it with. 

[yjacket]

1 hour ago, mirkwood said:

Uhhhh....me and lots of other people I know.  I have my shortcomings but that sure isn't one of them.  I find it remarkable that you would place that accusation on, well frankly, it looks like every married person.

Lol . . .I think you misinterpreted The Traveler's remarks-he was being sarcastic.   I guess no one remembers history, but MLK was anything but 100% faithful to his wife.  It is fairly well documented that he was an adulterer who (IIRC) spent the night before he died with a mistress.

[Maureen]

4 hours ago, mirkwood said:

Uhhhh....me and lots of other people I know.  I have my shortcomings but that sure isn't one of them.  I find it remarkable that you would place that accusation on, well frankly, it looks like every married person.

Context is everything. You noticed Traveler mentioned MLK Jr. before that remark.

M.

[askandanswer]

On 1/10/2017 at 7:41 AM, prisonchaplain said:

Since this string started as an open-ended discussion of the story, my goal in life has been achieved.  I am part of the 1%! 

PC, I'm now concerned for you. I've heard some sad stories about what has happened to some people once they achieve their goal in life.

[Guest]

On 1/6/2017 at 7:36 PM, Maureen said:

There could be more reasons but I'm too lazy to guess what they may be.

Gee, I've found another statement on which Maureen and I agree.  Heaven help us!

[Guest MormonGator]

2 hours ago, Carborendum said:

Gee, I've found another statement on which Maureen and I agree.  Heaven help us!

And I've agreed with @Vort on something lately, so the end is truly near. 

[Vort]

On 1/15/2017 at 10:13 AM, mirkwood said:

Uhhhh....me and lots of other people I know.  I have my shortcomings but that sure isn't one of them.  I find it remarkable that you would place that accusation on, well frankly, it looks like every married person.

I interpreted Traveler as meaning something like, "Who during his entire lifetime has never found himself looking at another woman besides his wife and appreciating her assets?" I think perfect fidelity is an ideal that most of us work to achieve throughout life, rather than a simple yes/no requirement that we check off. There's more to fidelity than keeping your pants zipped up.

[Traveler]

On ‎1‎/‎15‎/‎2017 at 11:13 AM, mirkwood said:

Uhhhh....me and lots of other people I know.  I have my shortcomings but that sure isn't one of them.  I find it remarkable that you would place that accusation on, well frankly, it looks like every married person.

 

The context of the comment is directed towards those that criticize Trump; saying that he is morally bankrupt that also support Marten Luther King Jr. as a moral example of leadership.  My biggest objection to politicians is their willingness to pretend to stand for certain principals and ideas but in reality have something very different in mind.

Let’s take immigration as an example.  I believe a tyrant (morally bankrupt) is someone that does not enforce the laws the same for everybody – in essence making exceptions in the law because of personal preferences based in prejudices that are specifically unlawful or immoral – such as gender, national origin or religion.  Perhaps the greatest of all evil is political prejudice.  That is the criticizing of an individual or limiting their contribution (including freedom of speech) based on their political alignments.  In essence decrying one and praising another for doing or saying the same things but making the distinction because they are aligned politically differently.

 

The Traveler

[prisonchaplain]

9 hours ago, askandanswer said:

PC, I'm now concerned for you. I've heard some sad stories about what has happened to some people once they achieve their goal in life.

Maybe I'm the exception to the rule...after all, I'm coming up on my 22nd Wedding Anniversary, and she hasn't changed the locks yet. Everything post March 1995--even achieving 1% status--has been frosting on the cake! 

[Guest MormonGator]

1 hour ago, Traveler said:

 

The context of the comment is directed towards those that criticize Trump; saying that he is morally bankrupt that also support Marten Luther King Jr. as a moral example of leadership.  My biggest objection to politicians is their willingness to pretend to stand for certain principals and ideas but in reality have something very different in mind.

I agree in part, disagree in part. 

In reality it's sometimes better to admit to having standards and being personally unable to live up to all of them. IE-I've smoked pot before. I've smoked pot several times. If a young person came up to me and said "Should I smoke weed?" And I say "No." Am I a hypocrite? Yes. Same with divorce. I know of people who have been divorced who are humiliated and mortified over it and would tell someone not to get divorced. There is a difference of course between my examples and a Jimmy Swagart who preaches about adultery and meets hookers in cheap hotels. Hypocrisy is a strange thing. 

Did MLK cheat on his wife? Yes. That can't be ignored. But he also did a HUGE amount of good in his life. That can't be ignored either. In other words he was human and subject to all the weaknesses that comes with, but he was also human and subject to all the glories that comes with it.