What the heck is wrong with young men today?

[Rob Osborn]

3 hours ago, clbent04 said:

There was an Area 70 General Authority who came to speak to us on our mission. He said that if you returned home from your mission and decided to start growing facial hair at any point in your life from then on, it was "Amen to the authority of that man's Priesthood"

Is this a joke?

[SilentOne]

2 hours ago, LiterateParakeet said:

I know the dress code at BYU/BYUI doesn't allow it, but aren't jeans also prohibited on campus?

Not in Provo. Maybe at BYU-I... I don't remember anything against flip-flops either.

BYU-Provo: https://policy.byu.edu/view/index.php?p=26&s=s1165 Shoes should be worn, but there are no specifics about types.

BYU-Idaho: http://www2.byui.edu/catalog-archive/2005-2006/dress.htm Jeans are okay, flip-flops aren't.

[Guest]

2 hours ago, LiterateParakeet said:

I dont accept that. I  couldn't find anything about it on LDS.org. I'm going to need more than some guy on the Internet said that some nameless 70 said . . .

No offense. 

I know the dress code at BYU/BYUI doesn't allow it, but aren't jeans also prohibited on campus?  I know flip flops are. That is not the standard for the whole church.  

Now, if someone if someone can show us something in writing...for the general membership, not missionaries or college students that would be great.

Area authority 70 is, if I understand correctly, not a general authority and more akin to a stake president.  If this was in fact said, it seems more like personal opinion and not binding church policy for the whole church.

Feel free to give blessings while you have a beard.

Edited August 13, 2017 by DoctorLemon

[The Folk Prophet]

@Just_A_Guy, I believe the answer to your question may easily be seen in the general responses of this thread.

[Guest MormonGator]

2 hours ago, LiterateParakeet said:

I dont accept that. I  couldn't find anything about it on LDS.org. I'm going to need more than some guy on the Internet said that some nameless 70 said . . .

No offense. 

I know the dress code at BYU/BYUI doesn't allow it, but aren't jeans also prohibited on campus?  I know flip flops are. That is not the standard for the whole church.  

Now, if someone if someone can show us something in writing...for the general membership, not missionaries or college students that would be great.

I gave many blessings and even did two baptisms with my hair in a braid and a full beard. Apparently, no one cares. 

Thanks for standing up for the long hair, bearded guys @LiterateParakeet

[clbent04]

54 minutes ago, DoctorLemon said:

Area authority 70 is, if I understand correctly, not a general authority and more akin to a stake president.  If this was in fact said, it seems more like personal opinion and not binding church policy for the whole church.

That's exactly how I took it along with the mission president and all the other missionaries present. It was just the Area 70's opinion

Edited August 13, 2017 by clbent04

[Just_A_Guy]

FWIW, I have no concerns about "worthiness".  It just seems to me a matter of general scruffiness that seems ill-suited for a wedding, temple or not.  If you want to be bearded for the big day, plan it out, grow it out, trim it up, and wear it with pride!

But it seems like here we have these brides spending months finding The Dress and choosing The Hairdo and hours planning and primping over their makeup to have Everything Perfect; and then you have their grooms taking five seconds to look in the mirror and thinking "meh, I've shaved hundreds of other mornings in my life, but today's my wedding day, so . . . what the heck?!" And off to the chapel they saunter.

And those of you who think differently can just . . . well . . . get off my lawn, for starters.

Edited August 13, 2017 by Just_A_Guy

[Guest LiterateParakeet]

6 hours ago, clbent04 said:

Not saying you should accept it. That's the only time I've heard anyone in the Church suggest your Priesthood isn't effective if you have facial hair. Sorry I don't remember his name. My companions could also vouch that this was a true account and could probably even remember his name. Even though it was spoken directly to us, I think even our missionary group should question how much validity a one-off statement like this should have for the Church even if said by an Area 70 leader

I don't mean that I don't believe you, just that I won't tell my boys to be clean shaven based on something someone else heard.  You have to go to the source, you know?  

5 hours ago, SilentOne said:

Not in Provo. Maybe at BYU-I... I don't remember anything against flip-flops either.

BYU-Provo: https://policy.byu.edu/view/index.php?p=26&s=s1165 Shoes should be worn, but there are no specifics about types.

BYU-Idaho: http://www2.byui.edu/catalog-archive/2005-2006/dress.htm Jeans are okay, flip-flops aren't.

Yeah, I'm a BYUI online student and when I have my interview for my ecclesiastical endorsement, my Bishop mentioned the rule about flip-flops.  I just laughed and asked him if he really thought they cared if I wore flip flops in my own home in another state!  He agreed with me. 

4 hours ago, DoctorLemon said:

Area authority 70 is, if I understand correctly, not a general authority and more akin to a stake president.  If this was in fact said, it seems more like personal opinion and not binding church policy for the whole church.

Feel free to give blessings while you have a beard.

Personal opinion is what I was thinking too.  Since I'm a sister I won't be giving any blessings either way, LOL, but perhaps that was directed to the men?  LOL!

2 hours ago, Just_A_Guy said:

  It just seems to me a matter of general scruffiness that seems ill-suited for a wedding, temple or not.  If you want to be bearded for the big day, plan it out, grow it out, trim it up, and wear it with pride!

And those of you who think differently can just . . . well . . . get off my lawn, for starters.

Actually, even though I like the look, personally, I understand where you are coming from.  Years ago, my nephew and his best friend died in a car accident together...my nephew fell asleep at the wheel (no drunk driving here.)  At the funeral of the best friend (not in an LDS church), the people wore t-shirts with the young man's picture, shorts and flip flops.  That struck me as odd, and disrespectful.  I don't expect blue collar people that don't generally attend church to have suits or even dresses, but some sort of "special occasion" clothes.  I grew up with red-necks.  They have their version of "dress up" clothes...usually a pair of jeans that they iron for a crease, and seldom wear so they aren't faded, and a nice button down shirt that looks new, a nice pair of boots that they save for special occasions....and of course their best cowboy hat!  It's not about the clothes, exactly, but wearing something that shows your respect for the solemnity of the occasion.  I think that is what you were getting at, right?  

*Just want to clarify, I'm not a redneck.  I don't own a pair of boots or a cowboy hat. And I seldom listen to country music.  

*

[Guest LiterateParakeet]

5 hours ago, MormonGator said:

I gave many blessings and even did two baptisms with my hair in a braid and a full beard. Apparently, no one cares. 

Thanks for standing up for the long hair, bearded guys @LiterateParakeet

Always!  I'm doing my part to bring this style back to the general public...you know as a public service.  

[Grunt]

9 hours ago, MormonGator said:

I gave many blessings and even did two baptisms with my hair in a braid and a full beard. Apparently, no one cares. 

Thanks for standing up for the long hair, bearded guys @LiterateParakeet

Wait, you had a braid?  That crosses the line.  Were you listening to Sinead?

[Sunday21]

3 minutes ago, Grunt said:

Wait, you had a braid?  That crosses the line.  Were you listening to Sinead?

Worse! KISS! I know. Headshake. 

[Guest]

Didn't @LeSellers already give the history behind facial hair and Church policy?

 

[Guest LiterateParakeet]

On 4/15/2016 at 1:01 PM, estradling75 said:

Lack of beard is a cultural thing... not a doctrinal thing.   I think @LeSellers analysis is as accurate as anything as to why.  

@Carborendum, thanks.  LeSeller's theory was very interesting, and probable, I believe.  And I agree with estradling's response.     

[Grunt]

The ward I go to is small, but many of the men have beards.

[Suzie]

17 hours ago, Just_A_Guy said:

And those of you who think differently can just . . . well . . . get off my lawn, for starters.

 

[Suzie]

Orson Pratt was doing it before it was "cool".

[anatess2]

On 8/11/2017 at 3:03 PM, Just_A_Guy said:

I just did a session at a temple in Southern California and am waiting outside for Just_A_Girl to come out.

There is a lovely newlywed couple here having their wedding pictures taken. 

Groom has three days' growth on his face.

Is this "groom-can't-be-bothered-to-shave-on-his-wedding-day" look becoming a thing?  I mean, it's not a beard--it's just stubble.

Seriously, guys--what the heck?

I KNOW, RIGHT???

Yes, unfortunately, it's becoming the thing.  Thank you, Hollywood.  They've made Captain America - the last man standing - an old fogey that's why he still shaves.

Anyway, I don't like it.  My husband only grows a stubble because he is lazy.  He'd rather spend the extra 5 minutes of shaving time to sleep 5 minutes later.  So he grows the stubble as long as it gets scruffy-looking and he shaves it all off.

My 15-year-old is so hairy he goes to school clean shaven and comes home with a stubble.  It would be interesting to take time-lapse photos of his face all day long.  He goes to get his face waxed.  He also has to shave/wax between his eyebrows because then he'd have a unibrow.  Good thing he doesn't like the stubble look.  Good.  Because, stubbles look bad on Asian skin tone.

And the Priests in our ward decided to grow full beards.  Ugh.  Beards are only good when it's properly groomed and a lot of the Priests didn't groom!  Otherwise, it just looks like how Rip Van Winkle would look like after he woke up.

Edited August 14, 2017 by anatess2

[prisonchaplain]

On 8/11/2017 at 3:27 PM, person0 said:

I only shave completely about once every few months.  I generally just trim down to stubble when I cut my hair (do it myself).  However, for my wedding day I was clean shaven, although I did forget to get a haircut and had way too much hair on top.  If I were to have another wedding day, I would be clean shaven or beard, whichever the misses would prefer. Perhaps his wife wanted him to have the stubble?

This linked website suggests that stubble is in style for 2017.  In fact it gives 25 different 'hot' styles of stubble with accompanying images.  Perhaps it's a thing these days.

I've noticed that even some of the K-dramas (Korean) have young male actors with some stubble. So, yeah--I'm thinking it's a thing. They probably work harder to keep the "in" stubble from become a sign of lazy chaos than I do to just shave. Kudos to the hardworking millenial men!

[anatess2]

1 minute ago, prisonchaplain said:

I've noticed that even some of the K-dramas (Korean) have young male actors with some stubble. So, yeah--I'm thinking it's a thing. They probably work harder to keep the "in" stubble from become a sign of lazy chaos than I do to just shave. Kudos to the hardworking millenial men!

Ugh!  Yeah, I don't like those too!  Especially the ones whose stubble look more like whiskers!  Them K-pop dudes can't grow hair thick enough!

[prisonchaplain]

Okay...K-drama is like American soaps cleaned up, but on emotional-crack. They can be fun to watch and addictive, but usually don't veer into immorality. So, I'm justified. :-)  @anatess2 is watching K-pop (music groups)!!! Did we catch that???  Wow...just wow!  LOL 

[anatess2]

6 minutes ago, prisonchaplain said:

Okay...K-drama is like American soaps cleaned up, but on emotional-crack. They can be fun to watch and addictive, but usually don't veer into immorality. So, I'm justified. :-)  @anatess2 is watching K-pop (music groups)!!! Did we catch that???  Wow...just wow!  LOL 

Dude, I watch k-drama (uhm Doctor Crush!) and of course, k-pop.  I haven't watched recent American pop music videos - too much twerking.  I loved it during the time of Michael Jackson.

Edited August 14, 2017 by anatess2

[JohnsonJones]

Well, I really need to go back over the section, but I think leaders (well, Bishops and Stake Presidents at least) are required to be clean shaven as per the instructions.

The only reasoning I know behind it is so that we appear more respectable, or conservative, or something like that.  This is probably the same thing that is applied towards missionaries as well.

I don't know of any thing in that regards for the members in general though.