Trump just lost the election

[The Folk Prophet]

17 minutes ago, NeuroTypical said:

This pretty much sums up about 90% of all Trump hatred. On almost every point made by those who dislike him it's about the same.

Lies, upon lies, upon lies.

[LDSGator]

54 minutes ago, NeuroTypical said:

I started seeing them pop back up here in Colorado last year.   Just yesterday I saw a brand new newbie one of 'em.  He was coming to grips with the reality of physics, where if you stick flags on your truck and drive fast, the wind whips them around and eventually destroys them.   

No, they won't be going away any time soon. 

The Obamabots in 08 freaked me out with their devotion to Obama, but the Trumpers have exceeded that. It’s creepy.

Ronald Reagan is one of my political heroes and I’ll always admire the man deeply, but no, I’m not going to get his face tattooed on me or decorate my Prius with his flags like this.   

[Traveler]

19 hours ago, Phoenix_person said:

I learned about it at the same time you did, and the same way. And yes, I mocked Trump for the way he presented the information, because it was absurd. He should have left the science talk to the scientists.

 

A lot of us are judging Trump by his truest believers, a group that has no shortage of Klansmen, J6 rioters and their sympathizers, and actual Nazis. When he's handed a gift-wrapped opportunity to denounce the very loud and heavily-armed extremists in his base, he never does. That's because he knows that a lot of his most enthusiastic supporters aren't Republicans like you, it's the America First extremists who have rotted their brains with "White Replacement" propaganda from Gab and Infowars. Emboldening that wing of the Republican party is Trump's biggest, most unforgivable crime. Heck, I don't even know for sure about the Klansmen because it seems like a lot of folks with those types of worldviews don't feel the need to wear hoods anymore. I think his economic plans are a disaster, but otherwise you're right that his policies are harmless. The opposition to Trump isn't about policy, it's about preventing his base from getting any kind of proximity to power again. 

My opposition to Trump has nothing to do with anybody else.  I do believe that his base is greatly misunderstood.  Many call things “far right” or “extreme right” that have nothing to do with the right.  In today understanding – the right (conservative) means anti-federalism, less government controls, and preservations of liberty, individual responsibility and freedom.

Racial supremacy (Klansmen, black lives matter or any organization pushing for any privileges based in race or anything else that will bring distrust or division to a diverse community), Nazi organizations or whatever the left uses to demonize opposition all require federalism, government controls, limits to liberty and freedoms.  None of these so called right wing organizations have that much influence.

Trump’s problem is pride, and it makes him an easy target.  Anyone that says that they cannot vote for anyone that is immoral is kidding themselves – such are the rarest commodity in our politics.  The only reason to support anyone in government is because of their record and policies.

There are some with good records and policies – none of them are long term politicians.  They all seem to get into politics thinking to make a difference and get out quickly because of the tole it takes on them and their families.  Kind of like the military.  We either have a civilian military or a professional military – you cannot have both.

There is a reference to COVID and there is a lot about COVID that upsets me.  I am an old guy, and I caught COVID during the first year when there were no treatments for the public.  I know this because I had daily contact with medical professionals following all the CDC and government protocols.  I produced antibodies and had no symptoms.  Interestingly I have a brother with serious arthritis that when Trump caught COVID and claimed to be cured by a common cheap drug – my brother was very familiar with the prescription.  It was prescribed for Lupus patients.  Now that COVID is not a problem we learn that lupus patients were not threatened by COVID (only if they had severe (chronic) respiratory problems.  And that they had been using the same treatment – effectively for almost 100 years without side effects.

Trum was accused of being reckless and recommending a drug as a cure when it was not approved and with the danger of harmful side effects.   I apologize for this long post, but this is critically important.  Trump was criticized by the medical professionals for recommending an unapproved drug with dangerous side effects.  It turns out that those medical experts were lying – but why would they do that?  I suggest it was all about money.  13 new billionaires were created because of COVID in the pharmaceutical corporations for the vaccine.  Pharmaceutical companies cannot receive government funding to develop a vaccine for a pandemic if there is a known cure or treatment.

If anyone wants a source just Google for Lupus COVID data.  I want to ask a specific question, and an answer would be nice.  What is the greater threat to American citizens (in general people in this world) – the entire whatever is labeled as right-wing extremists or medical experts lying about COVID to make billions?  And how about those in government willing to lie before a FISA court for political gain – getting rid of an annoying troublemaker to them?

The Trump base prime directive is to end government corruption.  I am not a Trump supporter – I really do not like the guy but the government corruption part of his campaign I do support.   Your final statement:

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opposition to Trump isn't about policy, it's about preventing his base from getting any kind of proximity to power again. 

I find this very troubling because I believe if this country continues down the path it is currently taking with such division over what half this country wants to achieve politically – we are not far from a civil war.  And that would be the worst of all possible scenarios.

 

The Traveler

[NeuroTypical]

26 minutes ago, LDSGator said:

Ronald Reagan is one of my political heroes and I’ll always admire the man deeply, but no, I’m not going to get his face tattooed on me or decorate my Prius with his flags like this.   

Lol my cousin named his son Reagan.  

[LDSGator]

1 minute ago, NeuroTypical said:

Lol my cousin named his son Reagan.  

Eh, that’s nothing. You aren’t dedicated until you do this.

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/us-news/woman-trump-forehead-tattoo-begging-33611511.amp

[NeuroTypical]

20 minutes ago, Traveler said:

Now that COVID is not a problem we learn that lupus patients were not threatened by COVID
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If anyone wants a source just Google for Lupus COVID data.

Done.  The very first result takes us to a 52-study metaanalysis published in the NIH National Center for Biotechnology Information that literally concludes the exact opposite of what you're claiming. 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8990101/

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This systematic review found that there was variation in infection rates and hospitalisation rates in SLE patients across the included studies. HCQ lacked preventive effect on COVID-19

 

The second result takes us to a 2023 retrospective study that demonstrates holy crap the Lupus patients should be given the vaccine, because it's safe and Lupus patients die of COVID a lot.  In other words, another study claiming the exact opposite of what Traveler is claiming.

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11926-023-01110-z

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Systemic lupus erythematosus (SLE) is among the rheumatic diseases with the highest risk for infections and related morbidity

No really my friend, you really do need to learn how to cite your sources.   Before your post, I didn't have a clue about Lupus and COVID.  But after googling like you told me to, now I know some things that are the exact opposite of stuff you're claiming. 

Edited September 13, 2024 by NeuroTypical

[NeuroTypical]

16 minutes ago, LDSGator said:

Eh, that’s nothing. You aren’t dedicated until you do this.

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/us-news/woman-trump-forehead-tattoo-begging-33611511.amp

This guy is obviously the best Mormon:

[LDSGator]

3 minutes ago, NeuroTypical said:

This guy is obviously the best Mormon:

I actually thought/am still thinking about getting a Hinckley quote tattooed on me. 
 

“I see so many good people everywhere—and there’s so much of good in them. And the world is good. Wonderful things are happening in this world. This is the greatest age in the history of the earth…”

Beautiful! 

[The Folk Prophet]

1 hour ago, LDSGator said:

I actually thought/am still thinking about getting a Hinckley quote tattooed on me. 
 

“I see so many good people everywhere—and there’s so much of good in them. And the world is good. Wonderful things are happening in this world. This is the greatest age in the history of the earth…”

Beautiful! 

I joked with my wife that if we ever move out of Utah she should get a "Mormon" related tattoo as a conversation starter and a missionary tool.

She scowled at me.

[mordorbund]

1 hour ago, LDSGator said:

I actually thought/am still thinking about getting a Hinckley quote tattooed on me. 
 

“I see so many good people everywhere—and there’s so much of good in them. And the world is good. Wonderful things are happening in this world. This is the greatest age in the history of the earth…”

Beautiful! 

Put on a few more pounds first to guarantee you won’t run out of canvas.

[LDSGator]

2 minutes ago, mordorbund said:

Put on a few more pounds first to guarantee you won’t run out of canvas.

That’s the thing holding me back. I don’t want a novel on my body, and it’s too many words to convey the message. 

[The Folk Prophet]

25 minutes ago, LDSGator said:

That’s the thing holding me back. I don’t want a novel on my body, and it’s too many words to convey the message. 

Easy:

Good people = Good world

 

Boom! Go do it!

[askandanswer]

23 hours ago, LDSGator said:

Because I wanted to be clear that violence isn’t the answer. 

Do the politicians from the nation that spends more on defence than anyone else ever say this?

[LDSGator]

3 minutes ago, askandanswer said:

Do the politicians from the nation that spends more on defence than anyone else ever say this?

Of course some do, they are just very few and sadly, not that influential. I’m sure you have politicians down under who have some very American views (pro gun, pro big defense, pro death penalty) but they aren’t common or influential either.  

[NeuroTypical]

3 hours ago, askandanswer said:

Do the politicians from the nation that spends more on defence than anyone else ever say this?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deterrence_theory

The US military has probably saved more lives by not fighting, than any other nation or group of people in the history of the world.  It has presided over the post-WWII years of unprecedented peace and economic expansion without equal.  And I know of no serious argument against the notion.

So yeah, all the politicians from the US say this.  Unless it's an election year and they can get votes by being seen as anti-US military spending, or something.

[askandanswer]

20 hours ago, NeuroTypical said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deterrence_theory

The US military has probably saved more lives by not fighting, than any other nation or group of people in the history of the world.  It has presided over the post-WWII years of unprecedented peace and economic expansion without equal.  And I know of no serious argument against the notion.

So yeah, all the politicians from the US say this.  Unless it's an election year and they can get votes by being seen as anti-US military spending, or something.

It just seems almost contradictory to have the same person declare against violence yet advocate for increased spending on defence. The primary means by which the defence of a nation is obtained is by increasing the capacity of a nation to commit violence. 

[mirkwood]

@LDSGator   You should make this your next tat.

 

 

 

 

Edited September 15, 2024 by mirkwood

[NeuroTypical]

Whelp, 2nd possible assassination attempt on Trump.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_International_Golf_Club_shooting

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/15/us/politics/trump-shooting-golf-course.html

Upcoming press briefing: https://www.10tv.com/video/news/authorities-provide-update-after-shots-fired-near-florida-golf-club-while-trump-was-golfing/530-97ab0717-15b8-415b-a4aa-fc2e4fd0fca7

[Vort]

46 minutes ago, NeuroTypical said:

Whelp, 2nd possible assassination attempt on Trump.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_International_Golf_Club_shooting

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/15/us/politics/trump-shooting-golf-course.html

Upcoming press briefing: https://www.10tv.com/video/news/authorities-provide-update-after-shots-fired-near-florida-golf-club-while-trump-was-golfing/530-97ab0717-15b8-415b-a4aa-fc2e4fd0fca7

Anyone care to bet on how much media attention this doesn't get?

[Ironhold]

42 minutes ago, Vort said:

Anyone care to bet on how much media attention this doesn't get?

Even CNN is paying attention this time:

https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/15/politics/donald-trump-safe-shots/index.html

[Vort]

2 minutes ago, Ironhold said:

Even CNN is paying attention this time:

https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/15/politics/donald-trump-safe-shots/index.html

Yes, but for how long? Do you think if Kamala Harris had survived an open assassination attempt, that the media would have moved past it after two or three weeks? It's not just Trump. The media doesn't even try to hide its contempt for Republicans and conservatives any more.

[NeuroTypical]

*sigh*   Good to see Wikipedia keeping up with the current news:

 

[Carborendum]

Anyone on board with my prediction yet?

How's it really going Americans? - General Discussion - ThirdHour

This is the first time that a President or Presidential candidate has experienced TWO assassination attempts.

CNN is standing just shy of taking this seriously enough, calling it an "apparent" assassination attempt.  Hey, who knows?  Maybe he was trying to kill someone else.

 

[LDSGator]

1 hour ago, Carborendum said:

This is the first time that a President or Presidential candidate has experienced TWO assassination attempts.

I’m sorry, but that’s not correct.
 

Ford:

https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2024-09-15/before-trump-ford-two-assassination-attempts

Taft and Lincoln also had two assassination attempts.

So did Truman. And Nixon. And Bill Clinton. Obama had something like four. 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_presidential_assassination_attempts_and_plots#:~:text=Gerald Ford experienced two attempted,policy of the American government.

Seven presidents have experienced two or more assassination attempts. 

Edited September 16, 2024 by LDSGator

[LDSGator]

With Ford, both attacks were within a month. I’m surprised that he survived both.