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I think your missing the point of the jab. Nice or not, he's saying absolutely horrible things of those who like Trump here. Claiming they worship Trump instead of Christ? That a downright despicable accusation and an extremely underhanded attack. And yet, I agree with you. I don't think he despises anyone. Which is why I made the jab. Because it should be obvious to anyone not afflicted by derangement that those who like Trump here do not despise anyone either.

For the record, yes, the video's title card is clickbaity, but IMO the video is still worth watching.

It is my wish that we learn to listen to each other. I started this thread because I do not think it is possible to have a conversation with many good people that think Trump is the Anti-Christ. The fellow I referenced in my initial post is a friend, an ultra-conservative, stanch republican and a stalwart temple LDS. What I do not understand is why this otherwise good person cannot have respectable dialog about Trump with anyone that supports anything Trump is doing. I will use this friend as an example. He was not just angry; he could not even express himself without a high level of contention. His contention was not just in his tone of voice but also in accusation. His accusations were along the lines of Hitler and the Nazi following (I have studied Joseph Goebbels and the Nazi movement). I do not think Trump fits that category. I do believe that Trump is a narcissist. With perhaps very rare exception – I think every career politician (and the vast majority of bureaucrats) are narcissists just to be able to survive the current climate of our government. Back to the FBI agents involved in the January 6 incident at our capital. It is my understanding that they were working undercover. They were not wearing garb with FBI written on them. I do not think the FBI followed protocol concerning the pipe bomb. I also do not believe they were following protocols to encourage taking down barriers and entering our congressional building. I also do not believe that anything Trump said was even as near as bad as what several of our elected officials are saying on intercom speakers at rallies (in DC) in opposition to DOGE. I do not understand the logic of such seemingly double standard. I will admit that I do not know sufficient information to be sure of anything beyond my own suspicion – that I do not trust enough to accuse anyone of criminal behavior – let alone what I understand of the Anti-Christ. What concerns me is that though I would love to sit down and have a completely open discussion with the likes of someone like @JohnsonJones – I am not sure it is possible to discuss details and question logic without generating contention with someone that I do not wish at all to offend. I would only like to discover what I seem to have missed. I am not interested in name calling or labels. I do not believe talking about Trump as a convicted felon is any more sufficient than accusing Jesus because he also was a convicted felon. I am interested not so much in any opinion as I am in the why of specific opinions – and if such why’s are distributed amicably without bias. Why do I currently support Trump? Because of DOGE. I believe (and with what I consider good logic and reason) that 90% of our federal social programs are wasted on corruption and inefficiency. In all my life I have not encountered any other politician willing to take on the corruption (both political and personal pushback) and waist in our government. I question why our elected officials (especially federal) seem to leave office with vast amounts of wealth beyond their pay grade. With the exception of Trump that has lost wealth. Not that I believe in Trump more than those called on our Church – just that I believe wealth and especially the desire to keep wealth is so often an indication of corruption. Many of our founding fathers accumulated a lot of wealth that was lost in their pursuits of freedom and liberties. The Traveler

He says as he despises all those who like Trump.

Yes, but have you ever suplexed them onto their head? That's the burning question.

Technically, I think we are talking about “battery”, not “assault”.

Lol. I’m no white knight, but I do cringe a bit at the thought of assaulting a woman, even in the “best” circumstances. Yes, it’s different with cops, and if she pulls a knife on me of course I’ll defend myself. But it’s not something particularly pleasant. I’d feel the same way if a male senior citizen tried to mug me. Isn’t that at least partially why most of us here, including myself, are very uncomfortable with the idea of transgender men fighting women or competing in sports against them?

No.

Quick math: 25 million in the 110+ category. With a number that big, it doesn't matter if it is 100 or 600 or 1000 of actual people who are over 110. As a conservative estimate, a recipient who is that old would receive about $1000/month. Total: $300.6B

I've expressed before that perhaps Trump is an anti-Christ, but I don't really believe it. I think he's a red herring for something else. Then again, I also think the anti-vax movement is a secret combination plotting something, probably with the same big wigs behind vaccines for all I know, so I don't know if I can sensibly predict anything. But I agree we will have a much bigger problems than Trump.

I have been assaulted numerous times by females at work.

I've noticed, and I've been semi-embarrassed, as I reflect on my participation on this forum and how about 80% of it has involved political discussions. I admit to being excited about Trump and Doge, and this forum is one of the places I can express it. Any accusation that I'm somehow worshipping the guy is just nonserious. But yeah, I should be mormoning here more than I'm politicking.

If Trump is the anti-Christ, then all of us worrying about the power of the adversary should relax. He’s way too silly to be the anti Christ. Nothing will convince you otherwise if you are really determined to believe this, but take my word on this-the real anti christ will be far more powerful and intimidating than Donald Trump. No, I’m not a fan of his either. But I’m not delusional.

Irony. On these forums I joke that I am considered a Liberal (which I think I am). In regards to many of the veiws expressed here at times, I suppose I have differing views than others). Here's where the irony comes in. I am not considered a "Lefty", not even a "Liberal" by anyone outside of these forums. In fact, most would consider me somewhat conservative (some would label me very conservative for some opinions I hold). I consider myself an independent (that probably leans conservative). With that said... I am a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. I worship the Lord Jesus Christ as my Savior, and our Father in Heaven who is our God. This forum in the past few months seems to have transitioned from being a Forum for Latter-day Saints to one that worships Trump. That means I have not been participating as often or as much. I do NOT worship Trump, and forums where they worship him are not that attractive to me. I'd say one "derangement" is being so fervent about an individual that you replace your own religion with faith in them and what they are doing. Even worse, that you put your belief in what an individual is doing above those principles and teachings that the gospel has. It is no secret that I've said Trump is either The Anti-Christ or An Anti-Christ. If one feels that is derangement, so be it, but at the end of the day, there is only One God I worship and his gospel is the one that I follow. I feel the overly abundant worship (and praise, almost like they feel Trump is not human and infallible) people heap on Trump here is actually a turn off for many who are followers of our Lord. This forum should appeal to those who follow the gospel, not just those Americans (and a few others) who believe in Trump and despise all those who do not.

Here are the temple recommend questions: Can you point out which question you might find problematic, and explain why? The questions dealing with laws are the law of chastity, and laws of the gospel. From what I've heard from our church leaders for quite some time now, worthiness doesn't mean perfection. It doesn't mean we've necessarily got our lives together. It seems they are happier with us in the temple than out of it. Even if some things in our lives aren't totally aligned with the current culture or legal landscape in which we happen to live. Especially if some things in our lives are out of whack.

Lol, I know what you mean, I just don't get down with tiktok. I think that platform is pure evil. (Maybe that means it needs the gospel more lol.) I just think there is a lack of short-form come follow me content out there (be it articles or videos) I don't have the time to watch a frankly boring, 3 hour come follow me podcast. I just want a 5 minute read/commentary video to get to grip with the basics on my lunch break and I can't be the only person who feels that way. If I were to ever do some form of online content, it would be that.

Here are some numbers to fool around with: I'll give you the conclusion first. By cleaning up social security the budget gets whacked big time. There are 68.5 million people on social security. They believe there may be "tens of millions" on the rolls collecting benefits that are most likely dead. We've never had an American live over 120 (verified) in the entire history of the US. Only one person in the world (that I could find) has lived over 120 years old. Yet there are many on the rolls over 120. Gerentology experts estimate between 100 to 600 people in the US are over 110 years old. Early counting says there are "millions" of recipients on soc. sec. rolls who are over 110 years old. The budget is about 1.5 trillion (1500 billion). The data above indicate they could cut $300 Billion just by disenrolling dead people from benefits.

Trump derangement syndrome absolutely exists. But if you think republicans don’t suffer from derangement syndromes, go into a conservative chatroom and tell them you like Disney, the NFL or Taylor Swift. You’ll see very quickly that all sides have derangement syndromes. I generally agree, with a caveat. If we’re debating and you say, “ btw Tim, your wife is ugly and you are stupid.” You’ve lost and I have a right to get angry. Also, some people use anger to motivate themselves. I know I do when I’m working out, doing TKD, etc. So I’ve learned to channel it into a positive.

Brian Hales is probably the leading expert on Joseph Smith’s plural marriages and he recently did a couple of episodes with “Mormonism With the Murph” on YouTube where he addresses a lot of this. IIRC, as to Section 132 itself: in short, we have a number of contemporaneous accounts (including from people who rejected it, like Marks and Law) of Joseph Smith having shown it to them or otherwise teaching it. Hales also points out that JS basically took plural wives in three “waves”, if you will: 1) Fanny Alger. That situation blows up so badly that JS abandons plural marriage for years. 2) Following a threat from an angel with a drawn sword, JS begins marrying plural wives—but nearly all of them are women who are already married to other men. Hales posits that he deliberately chose married women because, out of respect for Emma as well as Joseph’s own feelings, he planned to have these be sexless “eternity-only” marriages. 3) The angel with drawn sword comes again, basically saying “that’s not what I meant and you know it. Now, do it right.” At this point Smith’s future brides are single women, and several of them later affirm (as genteelly as Victorians ever would) that there was indeed a sexual element to their marriages with Smith.

Muriel who bakes her own birthday cake likes her monthly check.

No. I've neve suplexed anyone. I have assisted people to the ground.

Well, women have a thing for a man in a uniform . . .

Every time I see the title of this thread I read it in the voice of Orson Welles.

Maybe a swivel chair would help?