Presidential Debate

[Carborendum]

My prediction:  

• They'll give Biden just a ton of softball questions.  And he'll barely be able to answer them in any coherent manner.
• They'll give Trump a bunch of loaded questions: "Don't you believe that when you said XYZ, that you're harming "GROUP A" and inciting hatred?"  And 
• The people viewing will be largely unchanged except for the ones in the middle.  They will clearly see through this kangaroo court and decide to vote for Trump.

They just don't get the point that the more unfairly he's treated, the more he'll attract the undecided voter.

But they'll steal the election anyway.  So, this is a meaningless process after all.

Edited June 28, 2024 by Carborendum

[zil2]

40 minutes ago, Carborendum said:

They'll give Biden just a ton of softball questions.  And he'll barely be able to answer them in any coherent manner.

Please.  Biden won't even be on the stage.  But don't worry, I'm sure Dave will have some very cogent answers drilled into his head.

[NeuroTypical]

Biden continues to surprise me - I continue to see him speaking coherently, and for a long time, at certain occasions deemed serious enough.  

 

I'll watch the thing.  The candidate's microphones will only be on, when it's their turn to speak?  I'm ok with that.  I am not a fan of Trump's outlandish rude overshouting showmanship.  He's shown us he can act like an adult at other times, I'm hoping he does it here.  They tell me Biden might be prepping ways to get Trump to lose his cool.  I will be disappointed if that tactic succeeds.  And we all would be shocked if Trump wasn't just naturally going to try to get Biden to lose his cool.  

If Trump gets loaded questions, I can totally see him just saying whatever the crap he wants, instead of playing ball.

Q: "So tell us, if Biden had been convicted of a billion felonies like you, would you think it was ok to vote for him?"

A: "Ladies and Gentlemen, the fake news.  I'm going to use this time to talk about my record on the border, and how my opponent screwed it all up...."

[Carborendum]

3 minutes ago, NeuroTypical said:

Biden continues to surprise me - I continue to see him speaking coherently, and for a long time, at certain occasions deemed serious enough.  

 

I'll watch the thing.  The candidate's microphones will only be on, when it's their turn to speak?  I'm ok with that.  I am not a fan of Trump's outlandish rude overshouting showmanship.  He's shown us he can act like an adult at other times, I'm hoping he does it here.  They tell me Biden might be prepping ways to get Trump to lose his cool.  I will be disappointed if that tactic succeeds.  And we all would be shocked if Trump wasn't just naturally going to try to get Biden to lose his cool.  

If Trump gets loaded questions, I can totally see him just saying whatever the crap he wants, instead of playing ball.

Q: "So tell us, if Biden had been convicted of a billion felonies like you, would you think it was ok to vote for him?"

A: "Ladies and Gentlemen, the fake news.  I'm going to use this time to talk about my record on the border, and how my opponent screwed it all up...."

Give him a little more credit.  

A: You mean if I were President, and he were running against me?  I wouldn't have sent my guy from the DOJ to whisper into the ear of the judge to be sure to convict me no matter what the law says.

[mikbone]

Poop show.

World wide embarrassment.

[Vort]

51 minutes ago, mikbone said:

Poop show.

Let's hope not literally.

[mirkwood]

The cocktail they give Biden wears off around the 50 minute mark and as he crashes/stumbles we suddenly have technical difficulties and the debate goes off the air.

[Carborendum]

10 hours ago, mirkwood said:

The cocktail they give Biden wears off around the 50 minute mark and as he crashes/stumbles we suddenly have technical difficulties and the debate goes off the air.

You're forgetting that they get a break every 30 minutes.  Just in time for them to give him a booster.

[Traveler]

I think many Trump supporters will be surprised how well those that oppse him can script this.  Biden supporters will be convinced that Trump is even more evil than expected.

 

The Traveler

[LDSGator]

[Carborendum]

16 minutes ago, Traveler said:

I think many Trump supporters will be surprised how well those that oppse him can script this.

I can see how that may be true.

16 minutes ago, Traveler said:

Biden supporters will be convinced that Trump is even more evil than expected.

No surprise there.  The task for Biden is to win back a lot of his voters that have moved over into the Trump camp.  A number of high-profile individuals have declared the reason why they flipped to Trump.  It was not because of rhetoric or framing.  It was because they finally figured out just how evil Biden is.  And from recent polls, it appears that the average voter is also following suit.

Biden is trying to frame his campaign via: "Don't compare me to the Almighty.  Compare me to the alternative."  Well, they did so.  While they all acknowledge that they didn't like Trump.  They realized that "bad" vs "evil" is not an impossible decision.  Biden is showing just how evil he is.  Trump may not be someone that you want to invite into your home, he upheld the democratic process and abided by the Constitution.  He kept us out of war multiple times.  

King David (after committing adultery with one of his best friends (his trusted guard) he murdered that friend because he was too honorable and too loyal to David.  And even after that, Israel still looks up to David as their revered historical King because he continued to govern the kingdom with justice and mercy.

Trump is a serial adulterer.  He speaks very crudely and is just plain rude most of the time.  Criticism comes from his mouth even more easily than it does from my own.  But as President, he freaking did a good job (other than his treatment of COVID).

Because people are seeing the disparity between their governing styles, they're crossing over.

Unfortunately, the election will still get stolen because the numbers required to overcome the "plausible deniability" level of fake/stolen ballots are just not there.

Edited June 26, 2024 by Carborendum

[NeuroTypical]

I keep thinking:

15 January 2020: The House votes to impeach Trump on 2 counts.

4 Feb 2020: Trump gives a pretty solid, mature state of the union address.  Doesn't even mention the impeachment.  The only sensational immaturity came when Pelosi played handshake games (around 2:15 in the video), and at the end when she ripped up his speech. 

5 Feb 2020: The Senate acquits Trump on both counts. 

It would be cool to see a bunch of sensational, emotional, click-baitey outrage peddling come-on-man blathering from Biden, paired with an unflappable and serious Trump acting like the only grown up in the room.  We've seen him do it.  I mean, he probably will produce plenty of his usual divisive blather, but still, a guy can hope.

[Carborendum]

I would be very pleased to see them ask a question about the Afghanistan withdrawal.

• Trump signed the deal with the Taliban.
• Biden rushed it so fast without a care for logistics that it cost many thousands of people their lives.

Immigration:  We all know Trump's position.  But Biden?

• Trump instituted Title 42.  Strong immigration enforcement policy.
• Biden allowed the procedures to continue while he was working on abolishing it. Then he finally succeeded in abolishing it later in his presidency.  And then Mayorkas took the credit (on behalf of Biden) for refusing entry to more immigrants "than in the history of forever."  (He was borrowing a line from Senator Kennedy who was interrogating him.)

Yup, Biden sure showed how strong he was on the border.  The department followed 42 until they were able to repeal it as fast as they could.  Now we are seeing more rapes and murders per capita from immigrants than in the history of forever.  So glad he is tough on immigration.

[Carborendum]

Breaking news: Apparently, the FBI didn't photograph the actual documents during the Mar-a-lago raid.  The photos we saw where folders were all labeled "Top Secret" were staged by the FBI.

While the files were what the FBI purported them to be, the fact that they were no longer labeled "Top Secret" is evidence that Trump actually went through the declassification process for those files.  And the FBI refused to accept that.

If all this is true, then it appears that Trump is more squeaky clean than Biden or even Pence on the matter.

[Just_A_Guy]

I think Biden is probably a bit more mentally “there” than we’ve been led to believe.  (I still have concerns, but I don’t think he’s a complete vegetable).  I think he’s slyly lowered expectations to the point that if he utters three coherent sentences and doesn’t soil himself on national television, it will be a strategic victory for him.

[Carborendum]

5 minutes ago, Just_A_Guy said:

I think Biden is probably a bit more mentally “there” than we’ve been led to believe.  (I still have concerns, but I don’t think he’s a complete vegetable).  I think he’s slyly lowered expectations to the point that if he utters three coherent sentences and doesn’t soil himself on national television, it will be a strategic victory for him.

Just because I laughed at this, doesn't mean I don't believe it.  You may very well be right.

[NeuroTypical]

I’ve intentionally watched Biden’s important speeches. He is consistently surprised me with how coherent he sounds, and how long he is able to give the speech.
 

it’s very much different than being on a debate stage though. We will see.

[Carborendum]

47 minutes ago, NeuroTypical said:

I’ve intentionally watched Biden’s important speeches. He is consistently surprised me with how coherent he sounds, and how long he is able to give the speech.
it’s very much different than being on a debate stage though. We will see.

I've shifted on my amateur assessment of what exactly is the problem with Biden.  I don't think he has dementia.  I don't think it's senility.  He is simply tired. 

A man his age needs a lot of sleep.  And if he's truly trying to run the country, it is probably too taxing for a man of his physical condition.  So, if he's well-rested and pumped full of caffeine, then he'll be fine.  But once that caffeine rush goes away, he starts wandering around as if he's half asleep.

Some events are such that his handlers make sure he is well rested. But when an entire day is fully scheduled, he simply doesn't have the time to rest, and we see the result.

I know Trump only threw out the "sleepy Joe" moniker as an epithet.  But I'm thinking it was a pretty accurate description.  That's my position at present anyway.

[askandanswer]

17 minutes ago, Carborendum said:

I've shifted on my amateur assessment of what exactly is the problem with Biden.  I don't think he has dementia.  I don't think it's senility.  He is simply tired. 

A man his age needs a lot of sleep.  And if he's truly trying to run the country, it is probably too taxing for a man of his physical condition.  So, if he's well-rested and pumped full of caffeine, then he'll be fine.  But once that caffeine rush goes away, he starts wandering around as if he's half asleep.

Some events are such that his handlers make sure he is well rested. But when an entire day is fully scheduled, he simply doesn't have the time to rest, and we see the result.

I know Trump only threw out the "sleepy Joe" moniker as an epithet.  But I'm thinking it was a pretty accurate description.  That's my position at present anyway.

I can't help but think that our Prophet is almost 20 years older than Biden. Let's hope he keeps the caffeine to a minimum  

 

[LDSGator]

1 hour ago, askandanswer said:

I can't help but think that our Prophet is almost 20 years older than Biden. Let's hope he keeps the caffeine to a minimum  

 

 What he isn’t telling us is that leader of Australia is chosen by who is the last guy standing after they all fight a kangaroo. 

Edited June 27, 2024 by LDSGator

[Still_Small_Voice]

On 6/26/2024 at 7:47 AM, Carborendum said:

Unfortunately, the election will still get stolen because the numbers required to overcome the "plausible deniability" level of fake/stolen ballots are just not there.

If the election is a landslide, I think Trump may win.  But if not, they will cheat and win again.

Meanwhile in the State of Michigan there is same day voter registration and no identification required to register to vote.  From what I heard they also made vote by mail a right in Michigan.  Any election results there will be a complete joke.

[Carborendum]

35 minutes ago, Still_Small_Voice said:

If the election is a landslide, I think Trump may win.  But if not, they will cheat and win again.

Meanwhile in the State of Michigan there is same day voter registration and no identification required to register to vote.  From what I heard they also made vote by mail a right in Michigan.  Any election results there will be a complete joke.

No, they have to show ID and proof of residency for 30 days.

The mail in also requires similar proof.  The weakness with mail in ballots is that they don't have a proof of continuous custody.  And too many people just trusted a friend or relative to drop their ballots off.  But, instead, they were taken to centers where they forged new ballots to give Biden the win.

They also paid a lot of mail carriers to divert ballots to these same centers.

So far, there is not a lot they can do to fake in-person voting.  They have to literally get rid of half of the staff at a precinct, and then have a group of people bring in empty ballots and then insert them into the overall count.  Not enough places have mechanisms to prevent that.  And we know of one place where that was done.  But that state's Democrat Secretary of State validated the ballots nonetheless.

Edited June 27, 2024 by Carborendum

[askandanswer]

I don't see what all the fuss is about. Here in Australia, debate is what you put on de hook to catch de fish. In the US it seems like debate is the hook you use to catch the voters. 

[askandanswer]

14 hours ago, LDSGator said:

 What he isn’t telling us is that leader of Australia is chosen by who is the last guy standing after they all fight a kangaroo. 

And what's wrong with that? I've heard that in some countries, people believe that they're led by those they've voted for!

Sometimes in politics, a muscular posture is needed.

Our second worst Prime Minister in the last half century was a bit of a boxer in his student days, winning some sort of boxing championship at Oxford University when he was there as a Rhodes scholar. Perhaps Australia would have been a better place if the kangaroo had won that one. 

https://www.smh.com.au/national/the-life-and-career-of-tony-abbott-20130908-2tdf6.html

Its a bit of a tangent, but I was interested in this news article from a few days ago that suggested that the relatively low salary (by some people's standards) is causing some people to shun a career in politics. 

For radio talkback caller Michelle, a career in politics "was just not something I could afford to do for my family".

She worked in investment analysis for a major mining company and pulled in well over a quarter of a million dollars a year.

"And when I looked at going to parliament — you can't get a mortgage because your job is so uncertain, you're going to take a drop in salary of at least 25 per cent, and you're on call 24/7 and have no privacy," she told ABC Radio Perth.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-06-25/pay-rise-for-wa-politicians-and-public-servants-explained/104014998

[NeuroTypical]

So, where are people going to watch the debate tonight?

I've given up on YouTube, since CNN/FOX/etc seem to have turned such things into pay-per-view events, and every live coverage is buried under thousands of content creator/influencer coverage videos just showing clips.  

Imma watch it live on https://salemnewschannel.com/watch-live/ .