The Folk Prophet Posted March 2, 2018 Report Share Posted March 2, 2018 (edited) Not sure where to put this one since it will almost certainly discuss church doctrine, but is also current events...so I went with general discussion. Anyhow, I'm not surprised in the least. From the get-go there was something wrong with that whole scenario. Years back I'd see people lauding him as some sort of ideal. I never saw it. What I saw was another subtle and insidious effort to uphold and sustain gaydom. Of course the progressives, leftists, and Weed himself claim that what was wrong was you can't live a lie and you have to be true to your "gay" (or "straight" as it may be) self. And I suppose, at some level, that is moderately true. He tried to walk with one foot on either side of the divide. Unfortunately no good message will come from the matter. Just more lies, confusion, church bashing, and reveling in the carnal nature of "self" -- all of which now Weed has embraced and taken upon himself exuberantly. Weirdly, he's both bashing the church (specifically it's deadly and outdated position on homosex), and choosing to remain an active member. And Satan marches on, guiding his armies gleefully to the end of the world. Edited March 2, 2018 by The Folk Prophet Vort and Anddenex 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anatess2 Posted March 2, 2018 Report Share Posted March 2, 2018 Ugh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just_A_Guy Posted March 2, 2018 Report Share Posted March 2, 2018 13 minutes ago, anatess2 said: Ugh. +1. He was so sure his wife was the one for him, right up until he became sure she isn’t. The issue isn’t the Church’s teachings; it’s Weed’s own ability (or lack thereof) to receive revelation and manage his affairs accordingly. Midwest LDS, Anddenex, seashmore and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fether Posted March 2, 2018 Report Share Posted March 2, 2018 Who in the world is Josh Weed? zil, Grunt and eVa 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anatess2 Posted March 2, 2018 Report Share Posted March 2, 2018 32 minutes ago, Fether said: Who in the world is Josh Weed? Popular Mormon gay guy. Married a woman. Have 2 kids. Poster child of a happily hetero-married gay Mormon. Well, not anymore. Anddenex and NeuroTypical 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LiterateParakeet Posted March 2, 2018 Report Share Posted March 2, 2018 My heart is breaking for Josh and Lolly at this difficult time. They are in my prayers. @Fether, Josh is an LDS guy who is also gay. He wanted to keep the commandments so he married his best friend, Lolly. About 5 years ago, Josh wrote a post, on his fairly small blog, sharing the fact that he is gay and married to a woman, and happy. It went viral. Now they are getting a divorce. joshweed.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MormonGator Posted March 2, 2018 Report Share Posted March 2, 2018 5 hours ago, LiterateParakeet said: My heart is breaking for Josh and Lolly at this difficult time. They are in my prayers. @Fether, Josh is an LDS guy who is also gay. He wanted to keep the commandments so he married his best friend, Lolly. About 5 years ago, Josh wrote a post, on his fairly small blog, sharing the fact that he is gay and married to a woman, and happy. It went viral. Now they are getting a divorce. joshweed.com My heart breaks as well. The situation is just so sad, like it is with any divorce. Give them my prayers as well please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prisonchaplain Posted March 2, 2018 Report Share Posted March 2, 2018 (edited) It's so bizarre to me that family relationships that should be between pastor/bishop/therapist and couple are now trotted out as political weapons to pursuade society about the normalcy and morality of God-prohibited behavior. I'm not too familiar with Josh Weed, but I am aware that some gay people of faith choose to attempt straight marriages, and that the LGBT activists hate that choice. Does anyone remember Madonna coming out with the song "Papa Don't Preach, I'm Having My Baby," and how the pro-choice activists literally called radio stations, begging them not to play the song, lest an impressionable teen mother choose life? Back to the bishop's counseling office (or pastor's, or therapist's)...PLEASE! Edited March 2, 2018 by prisonchaplain eVa, Jane_Doe, seashmore and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Folk Prophet Posted March 2, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2018 1 minute ago, prisonchaplain said: It's so bizarre to me that family relationships that should be between pastor/bishop/therapist and couple are now trotted out as political weapons to pursued society about the normalcy and morality of God-prohibited behavior. It's a brave new world. Everything must be Instagramed, or Twitterfied, Bloggernacled, or Facebookled. You just don't get it because your...you know...old...and out of touch. prisonchaplain and seashmore 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LiterateParakeet Posted March 2, 2018 Report Share Posted March 2, 2018 I know Josh and Lolly, and I can telll you that they are two of the finest people you could meet. This divorce has been heartwrenching for them. Fortunately, their family, friends and ward members are keeping their baptismal covenant to mourn with those who mourn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MormonGator Posted March 2, 2018 Report Share Posted March 2, 2018 2 minutes ago, LiterateParakeet said: I know Josh and Lolly, and I can telll you that they are two of the finest people you could meet. This divorce has been heartwrenching for them. Fortunately, their family, friends and ward members are keeping their baptismal covenant to mourn with those who mourn. My concern is that we'll get caught up in the "politics" of it, and forget that the situation is just tragic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Folk Prophet Posted March 2, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2018 8 minutes ago, MormonGator said: My concern is that we'll get caught up in the "politics" of it, and forget that the situation is just tragic. I'm not entirely sure the politics of it are separate from the tragedy of it. Vort, Anddenex, Midwest LDS and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeuroTypical Posted March 2, 2018 Report Share Posted March 2, 2018 (edited) I've been following Josh Weed's story for years. Sorry to hear the news. Folks struggling on the fringes with certain orientations have lost an example of a supposedly happily married, supposedly righteous life. I see Mitch Mayne hasn't tweeted or blogged since 2016. Edited March 2, 2018 by NeuroTypical Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anatess2 Posted March 2, 2018 Report Share Posted March 2, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, NeuroTypical said: I've been following Josh Weed's story for years. Sorry to hear the news. Folks struggling on the fringes with certain orientations have lost an example of a supposedly happily married, supposedly righteous life. Divorce, like feminism, is cancer. Yes, I understand it is very difficult to work a failing marriage. I just wish people with children can avoid going to that extreme. I know, it's a pipe dream. Edited March 2, 2018 by anatess2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LiterateParakeet Posted March 2, 2018 Report Share Posted March 2, 2018 Feminism isn't cancer, its more like the Internet or music, some good, some bad, but enough good to not throw it out completely. For example, the Internet is a source of porn, the plague of our generation, but that doesn't keep us from using it because it serves many othet purposes. Feminism has done much good for women as well. I might not agree with all of it or with all feminists, but I find much in it to be grateful for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vort Posted March 2, 2018 Report Share Posted March 2, 2018 7 minutes ago, anatess2 said: Divorce, like feminism, is cancer. Yes, I understand it is very difficult to work a failing marriage. I just wish people with children can avoid going to that extreme. I know, it's a pipe dream. Not sure if you read Weed's rather lengthy (except for the "rather" part) explanation. Apparently, he feels he's been denying his true nature this whole time, and that living as a heterosexual is denying him from the beautiful parts of life he hasn't gotten to experience. He also feels that God himself has led him (Weed) to embrace his homosexuality and divorce his wife. So it's not that his marriage was bad (according to him). It's that he needs to be authentic to his homosexual desires. mordorbund, seashmore, Anddenex and 1 other 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anatess2 Posted March 2, 2018 Report Share Posted March 2, 2018 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Vort said: Not sure if you read Weed's rather lengthy (except for the "rather" part) explanation. Apparently, he feels he's been denying his true nature this whole time, and that living as a heterosexual is denying him from the beautiful parts of life he hasn't gotten to experience. He also feels that God himself has led him (Weed) to embrace his homosexuality and divorce his wife. So it's not that his marriage was bad (according to him). It's that he needs to be authentic to his homosexual desires. Well, we were just talking about Carol Pearson whose daughter Emily Pearson knowingly married a gay person and then decided they were not being "true to their selves" so they got divorced and now both are vocal anti-Mormon. I hope Josh doesn't join that club. Edited March 2, 2018 by anatess2 Jane_Doe 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MormonGator Posted March 2, 2018 Report Share Posted March 2, 2018 27 minutes ago, NeuroTypical said: Folks struggling on the fringes with certain orientations have lost an example of a supposedly happily married, supposedly righteous life. Do you think it would be better if they just lived a celibate lifestyle? Not an insult or a challenge-just asking you. I'm not sure if a homosexual person who is physically attracted the the same gender should enter into a marriage with a member of the opposite gender. It doesn't seem fair to either of them. People are who they are. It's hard to change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prisonchaplain Posted March 2, 2018 Report Share Posted March 2, 2018 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Vort said: Not sure if you read Weed's rather lengthy (except for the "rather" part) explanation. Apparently, he feels he's been denying his true nature this whole time, and that living as a heterosexual is denying him from the beautiful parts of life he hasn't gotten to experience. He also feels that God himself has led him (Weed) to embrace his homosexuality and divorce his wife. So it's not that his marriage was bad (according to him). It's that he needs to be authentic to his homosexual desires. Maybe @The Folk Prophet is right, and I'm just old and a bit stale. IF I really believed that my nature was homosexual (not my predisposition, not my particular temptation, but my nature), I would have to conclude that the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob was not real. I do not for a minute deny the power of same-sex attraction. It's a horrific cross to bear. BUT, if God is true, if his Word means anything, then I'd have to go with the counsel of that neutral, outside observer, Dr. Judith Glasgow (American Psychiatric Association), who said something like: For some people, who they worship is more important than who they bed. (This was in response to critics of the APA decision to approve a Sexual Identity Framework for psychologists to use when facilitating same-sex attracted individuals who choose celibacy as a means of staying true to their religious convictions). Edited March 2, 2018 by prisonchaplain BeccaKirstyn, seashmore, JohnsonJones and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Folk Prophet Posted March 2, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2018 29 minutes ago, NeuroTypical said: I've been following Josh Weed's story for years. Sorry to hear the news. Folks struggling on the fringes with certain orientations have lost an example of a supposedly happily married, supposedly righteous life. Folks struggling on the fringe never had a proper example though, because blogging out-and-proud, "owning" that identity, etc., is, was, and will be against church council on the matter. The result of going against that council is now perhaps evident. Just_A_Guy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Folk Prophet Posted March 2, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2018 (edited) 33 minutes ago, anatess2 said: Well, we were just talking about Carol Pearson whose daughter Emily Pearson knowingly married a gay person and then decided they were not being "true to their selves" so they got divorced and now both are vocal anti-Mormon. I hope Josh doesn't join that club. I do to. But if you've read the blog, he already has. And in some ways more insidiously than if he was leaving the church. But there is no serving God and Mammon. He'll either humble himself and give up his carnal self in favor of God's will or he won't. Let's pray he will. Edited March 2, 2018 by The Folk Prophet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Folk Prophet Posted March 2, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2018 (edited) 27 minutes ago, MormonGator said: I'm not sure if a homosexual person who is physically attracted the the same gender should enter into a marriage with a member of the opposite gender. It doesn't seem fair to either of them. What about someone who marries another who then becomes fat, disabled, disfigured, loses their hair to cancer, just gets old, or otherwise becomes unattractive to them. Are they justified then is abandoning their covenants, loyalty, faithfulness, and commitment in favor of self-fulfillment with the buxom blonde bimbo they truly sexually desire? Edited March 2, 2018 by The Folk Prophet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 2, 2018 Report Share Posted March 2, 2018 (edited) 11 hours ago, Fether said: Who in the world is Josh Weed? I was wondering that myself . . . never heard of him. After reading the posts, is it OK for a person with homosexual desires to enter a heterosexual marriage? Maybe, maybe not, it would be important to pray and carefully consider the decision in that person's situation. If you decide to do it, though, you should stick with it. Edited March 2, 2018 by DoctorLemon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vort Posted March 2, 2018 Report Share Posted March 2, 2018 1 minute ago, MormonGator said: Do you think it would be better if they just lived a celibate lifestyle? Not an insult or a challenge-just asking you. I'm not sure if a homosexual person who is physically attracted the the same gender should enter into a marriage with a member of the opposite gender. It doesn't seem fair to either of them. I see no obvious answer. Were it my son who felt deep physical attraction to other men and not toward women, I don't know what I would tell him except (1) I love him and (2) those desires are not consonant with God's commandments. What else is there to say? It's one thing to sympathize and even empathize with those who have strong homosexual attraction. It is entirely another to lobby God and his Church to change their attitude toward homosexuality and declare evil as good. I have yet to hear any mainstream sources calling for normalization of pedophilia, even though I bet there are as many people with pedophilic attraction as there are with homosexual attraction. The Scotsman Alexander Fraser Tytler is supposed to have written: “A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the majority discovers it can vote itself largess out of the public treasury. After that, the majority always votes for the candidate promising the most benefits with the result the democracy collapses because of the loose fiscal policy ensuing, always to be followed by a dictatorship, then a monarchy." Cynical though it may be, it accurately reflects the reality of the situation. I think a similar mindset exists with respect to satiating various sexual desires. It's not like pedophilia is a strictly modern phenomenon; past societies have embraced it wholeheartedly. The "age of consent" is merely a number set by law. I think it is only a matter of time before pedophilia becomes the new homosexuality. 1 minute ago, MormonGator said: People are who they are. It's hard to change. True enough. But as President Monson quoted, men aren't leopards. They change every day. Just_A_Guy, Anddenex, NeuroTypical and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fether Posted March 2, 2018 Report Share Posted March 2, 2018 9 minutes ago, Vort said: men aren't leopards Didn’t realize that clarification needed to be made by a prophet of God, how many people live in fear every day because of this confusion??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.