BYU as a church school?

[Emmanuel Goldstein]

Is it time for the Church to stop direct support of the BYU schools? 

[Grunt]

Nope

[JohnsonJones]

Nope.  If anything I think they should expand and double down on the number of Church Schools and the number of members they can get to attend the Schools.

[Guest]

6 hours ago, Emmanuel Goldstein said:

Is it time for the Church to stop direct support of the BYU schools? 

What do you think BYU is for?  What purpose do you think it serves?

[Fether]

Does anyone think it is time the church expands their education and start opening up church run private school for highschool age kids?

[Just_A_Guy]

It’s not at all clear to me that the Church will be able to run a university according to its standards ten years from now—let alone being able to operate a K-12 school in the US.  

One presumes the Church leadership sees things we don’t; but on the face of it, expanding its educational operations appears to be a very risky investment.

[Emmanuel Goldstein]

48 minutes ago, Carborendum said:

What do you think BYU is for?  What purpose do you think it serves?

It often seems that there is a serious problem with members being obsessed with the sport programs of BYU. It even reaches the point of persecution and mockery.

[Guest]

6 minutes ago, Emmanuel Goldstein said:

It often seems that there is a serious problem with members being obsessed with the sport programs of BYU. It even reaches the point of persecution and mockery.

What do you think BYU is for?  What purpose do you think it serves?

[LadyGunnar]

6 minutes ago, Emmanuel Goldstein said:

It often seems that there is a serious problem with members being obsessed with the sport programs of BYU. It even reaches the point of persecution and mockery.

Byu fans can be so bad. I had a Utah Utes  sticker on my car. During church, my first week at a new ward, it was scratched and torn off. I got a new and bigger one and they tried to ruin it as well. Dh said it would get bigger and bigger each time. This was was not in Utah.  

I have been told that I am wrong for not  being a byu fan in church. How it is the Lord's school and not supporting their sports is wrong.  I will never be a byu football fan.

I'm not a Ute fan either. Just to clear that up.

[anatess2]

15 minutes ago, Emmanuel Goldstein said:

It often seems that there is a serious problem with members being obsessed with the sport programs of BYU. It even reaches the point of persecution and mockery.

Have you been to Church Basketball?

[Just_A_Guy]

2 minutes ago, anatess2 said:

Have you been to Church Basketball?

Church basketball (at least, in my area) seems like a red-headed ugly stepchild compared to what it was in the 1970s and 1980s.  If the Hill Cumorah Pageant is getting the axe due to being insufficiently Christ-focused, IMHO Church sports can‘t be far behind. 

[anatess2]

5 minutes ago, Just_A_Guy said:

Church basketball (at least, in my area) seems like a red-headed ugly stepchild compared to what it was in the 1970s and 1980s.  If the Hill Cumorah Pageant is getting the axe due to being insufficiently Christ-focused, IMHO Church sports can‘t be far behind. 

That would be a shame.  It's a very male trait to psychologically thrive through competition (win or lose).  You take out scouts, now take out sports... what are they gonna replace it with?

[Guest MormonGator]

45 minutes ago, Emmanuel Goldstein said:

It often seems that there is a serious problem with members being obsessed with the sport programs of BYU. It even reaches the point of persecution and mockery.

Some people like sports and need that outlet in their life. I enjoy being around people obsessed with sports .I hope BYU never cancels their sports programs. 

[zil]

31 minutes ago, anatess2 said:

what are they gonna replace it with?

The Celestial Challenge - who can make it to the celestial kingdom first (ties will be decided based on how many you brought with you).

[zil]

19 minutes ago, MormonGator said:

Some people like sports and need that outlet in their life. I enjoy being around people obsessed with sports .I hope BYU never cancels their sports programs.  

I have no problem with people who like sports (as long as I don't have to stand around listening to them yammer for hours on end), but this:

52 minutes ago, LadyGunnar said:

Byu fans can be so bad. I had a Utah Utes  sticker on my car. During church, my first week at a new ward, it was scratched and torn off. I got a new and bigger one and they tried to ruin it as well. Dh said it would get bigger and bigger each time. This was was not in Utah.  

I have been told that I am wrong for not  being a byu fan in church. How it is the Lord's school and not supporting their sports is wrong.  I will never be a byu football fan.

I'm not a Ute fan either. Just to clear that up.

...is as wrong as can be.

(I have yet to meet such people - as far as I know - here in Utah.  The whole BYU-UofU thing seems more like a running joke here.)

[Guest MormonGator]

1 minute ago, zil said:

I have no problem with people who like sports (as long as I don't have to stand around listening to them yammer for hours on end), but this:

...is as wrong as can be.

(I have yet to meet such people - as far as I know - here in Utah.  The whole BYU-UofU thing seems more like a running joke here.)

All true, but 99% of sports fans don't act like that. 

It would be like banning pens because someone used them to key a car. 😉

Edited November 20, 2018 by MormonGator

[zil]

1 minute ago, MormonGator said:

All true, but 99% of sports fans don't act like that. 

I agree.  I didn't point that out to suggest we should get rid of sports, just that everyone should try to (help others to) maintain some perspective.

[zil]

5 minutes ago, MormonGator said:

It would be like banning pens because someone used them to key a car. 😉

Meanwhile, anyone who would use a pen to key a car should be locked up for pen abuse!  Unless they were using a ballpoint, then they should be locked up for keying someone's car.

[Guest MormonGator]

1 minute ago, zil said:

I agree.  I didn't point that out to suggest we should get rid of sports, just that everyone should try to (help others to) maintain some perspective.

College sports are more intense and passionate than pro sports, and it bothers me too when fans act like idiots. 

[NeuroTypical]

8 hours ago, Emmanuel Goldstein said:

Is it time for the Church to stop direct support of the BYU schools? 

Why would it?

[Midwest LDS]

No. I got a great education at BYU for a very reasonable (compared to many other colleges) price. It was my first chance to be surrounded by a lot of good LDS girls, one of whom I married, and I was able to learn a lot about church history from some first class professors. Obviously I would support the brethren in whatever they decide to do, but BYU was a great experience for me and I would be devastated to see them close it down.

[Guest]

37 minutes ago, zil said:

Meanwhile, anyone who would use a pen to key a car should be locked up for pen abuse!  Unless they were using a ballpoint, then they should be locked up for keying someone's car.

My boys are learning how to pick locks.  I'll have to suggest the use of a ballpoint pen.

[let’s roll]

I’d be in favor of limiting enrollment to students outside of Utah.  That would send the message that there’s value in becoming acquainted with your brothers and sisters outside the bubble and would also remove the unhealthy obsession of Utah parents to have their children attend BYU.

Edited November 20, 2018 by let’s roll

[Guest]

10 minutes ago, let’s roll said:

 unhealthy obsession of Utah parents to have their children attend BYU.

Describe this "unhealthy obsession".

[let’s roll]

Utah parents define successful parenting as having their child attend BYU and tell their children that their success in school is measured by whether they are admitted to BYU-P.  BYU-I is a cringe-inducing fallback.

Not universal, of course, but far too prevalent and blatantly obvious and openly discussed.