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Netflix’s upcoming underage twerking movie - “Cuties”

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OK then. I don’t often encounter a new story that makes me physically ill much anymore, but this one managed to do it.

A Lot of People Think the New Netflix Movie 'Cuties' Crosses a Line by Sexualizing 11-Year-Olds

I went to Netflix, and found the listing.

Will you folks join me in signing the change.org petition?

https://www.change.org/p/parents-of-young-children-petition-to-remove-cuties-from-netflix?source_location=topic_page

If Netflix starts showing borderline underage softcore porn shows, justified with the notion of “this will shock viewers into contemplating what’s happening to today’s kids”,  Will you consider dumping your Netflix account?

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4-Chan has declared the movie to be so extreme that the administrators have announced they will instantly and permanently ban anyone who posts images from it. 

4-Chan.

It should say something when Netflix is going to places even 4-Chan wants no part of, and I would not be surprised if 4-Chan tried to take Netflix offline over this. 

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Yesterday, the change.org petition had almost hit 10,000.  Today it's pushing 55,000.

Have you signed it yet?

https://www.change.org/p/parents-of-young-children-petition-to-remove-cuties-from-netflix

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1 hour ago, Traveler said:

I miss out on so many things of this universe - I do not have a Netflix account.

 

The Traveler

I don't know why anyone would at this stage of the game.

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All is proceeding as I had foreseen:

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Let's be blunt:  One in three Americans (not American adults, but Americans) currently has an STD.  Due to overuse of antibiotics, we're losing our ability to control/manage the symptoms of a couple of the biggies (Gonorrhea, for example).  Combine that with the fact that we have a culture--and even, arguably, a political party--that takes it for granted that people have a right to consequence-free sex.

What do you do when you want (and have been told you have a natural right to) disease-free sex, but all your prospective partners have diseases that can't be medically controlled?  Simple--you find the people who aren't having sex right now and are relatively disease-free, and try to get them onto the sexual market.  It may take a while to attain legal droit de signeur over adult abstainers/monogamists (I'm being a bit facetious here) (I think); but opening up the teenaged market can be done--is being done--with relative ease.

Few of the movers and shakers in our society will realize that that's what the end game is--and even fewer will admit it--but watch and see.  That will be the net effect of the legal, scientific, and social "advancements" over the next few decades.  You'll see it with the publication of medical studies showing that sexual intercourse by children is a part of healthy physical development.  You'll see it with a general social and legal softening of social standards regarding sexual relationships between adults and minors (have you noticed the recent prevalence of news stories involving affairs between young and improbably beautiful female teachers and sixteen- or seventeen-year-old male students?).  You'll see it with a marginalization of individuals and institutions that continue to publicly encourage abstinence.  And--yes--you'll see it with a deliberate attempt to limit or undermine conservative parents' abilities to influence their children's sexual mores.

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I looked into this a little more - since I know nothing about Netflix.  Though I am concerned with the trend, I am not surprised.  I have a beautiful daughter that was very into dance when she was growing up.  She still is.  A few years ago she tried out for a TV show called "So you think you can dance".  She did not make the first cut but was told that she showed promise and should work and try out again.  As a mother of 4 she decided to let go of that dream.

I gave this little back story because 20 years ago this daughter was very into dance.  Of course as a dad, I supported the dreams of my little girl.  Did you see that part about 20 years ago?  I remember going to a competition while this daughter was still in grade school.  Engineers do not know a lot about dance - but I like to think I am a quick learner.  I also married a cheerleader - though I never saw my wife cheer live.  By college she had backed off from cheer-leading.  Anyway watching my little daughter was a bit of a culture shock for me.   Once these little girls get beyond the toddler stage and into serious dance - there are three things that greatly concerned me.  #1. the makeup and hair.  This is way over the top but it is considered part of the training.  #2. are the costumes.   Like the make up the standard is - in my mind - how can I say this???  In the dance world; sexy and cute are synonymous.   I was surprised to learn that part of training a dancer is getting them over the inclination of being embarrassed wearing a costume.  #3. the dance moves.

All of it seemed a little too sexy to me.  Especially for little girls.  

The problem in defining a line between what is acceptable and not acceptable - there is not that much difference between almost to the line and just over the line regardless of where the line is drawn.  And so for my final thought I will quote - Confucius Says:

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Woman with no principle; generate lots of interest!

 

The Traveler

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I don't have Netflix, so I'm not supporting this already.  They don't need to worry about me cancelling...because I don't have them in the first place.  I can see why the movie is offensive just from the picture they posted (poster, or whatever it is) that one can see from a quick google.

I looked up this movie and it seems to have dual messages...and I can see why it won awards.

It seems to pertain to the conflict between religious values of the Islamic faith verses the ideas of modern society and their influences when they crash together within an individual who is part of both worlds.  The confluence between someone who comes from a deeply rooted faith which has some morals which society finds repugnant compared to an activity or involvement in such activity that the religious society finds repugnant.  It is taking the two opposites and exploring what the individual will do or feel during their journey between the two.

Perhaps, in this instance, the age range they chose to use was too young.  It may be more acceptable (to some, for the very religious, probably not) if the young person involved was 18 or older.

The IRONY in this is that dance studios and modern dance classes are VERY POPULAR today in the United States.  People seem to be upset somewhat about this documentary, but have turned a blind eye to the fact that this is happening in almost every city in the US today on a MASSIVE scale.  If they are upset about this documentary (and I can actually see very well why this documentary IS disturbing, though I have not gone out of my way to see any advertising for it, the poster that was shown via google was enough to make me not want to try to find out anything else about the actual film) they should be even more scandalized and angry at what is going on in modern dance teaching with kids as young as 3 or 4 (some cases younger).

In some places, unless you have taken gymnastics and this modern dance training, it is impossible to get into Cheerleading, and cheerleading itself has some aspects related to all of this.  Cheerleaders are found in almost every School from Jr. High on up, sometimes younger.  It's not just this documentary.  This documentary is merely a symptom of a larger and more serious problem that's going on all around us. 

Nevertheless, I don't have a Netflix account and do not plan on having one, so my voice on the matter is probably inconsequential in regards to their decisions.   

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2 hours ago, JohnsonJones said:

It seems to pertain to the conflict between religious values of the Islamic faith verses the ideas of modern society and their influences when they crash together within an individual who is part of both worlds.  The confluence between someone who comes from a deeply rooted faith which has some morals which society finds repugnant compared to an activity or involvement in such activity that the religious society finds repugnant.  It is taking the two opposites and exploring what the individual will do or feel during their journey between the two.

Yes.  It is supposedly a powerful movie with an important message about struggles of youth.  I agree - make everyone over 18 here, and it would be a worthy addition to movies that deal with that sort of thing, where everyone is wearing skimpy outfits and dancing sexually.  Like "show girls", except with a different message.  That's not the problem.  The problem is someone paid the parents of an eleven year old girl to make her dance sexually in a movie that Netflix is showing.  It's a "where do we draw the line as a society" thing.  

The Change.org petition says it well:

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This movie/show is disgusting as it sexualizes an ELEVEN year old for the viewing pleasure of pedophiles and also negatively influences our children! There is no need for this kind of content in that age group, especially when sex trafficking and pedophilia are so rampant!

 

A seedy truth of harsh reality - pretty much any form of media will be used for disgusting purposes by disgusting people.  Yes, there's a fraction of humans who go into their dark places and do their dark things while watching Dora the Explorer and The Wiggles and Sesame Street.  The only thing we can do about that is proclaim the gospel and preach repentance.  But we can sure stop feeding those people what they want most by making a show where Sesame Street age girls get their sexy twerking on.  

Can't we?

(I notice the petition is up to 158,000.   If you haven't signed it yet, whether you have a Netflix account or not, please consider signing it.  https://www.change.org/p/parents-of-young-children-petition-to-remove-cuties-from-netflix )

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2 hours ago, NeuroTypical said:

Yes.  It is supposedly a powerful movie with an important message about struggles of youth.  I agree - make everyone over 18 here, and it would be a worthy addition to movies that deal with that sort of thing, where everyone is wearing skimpy outfits and dancing sexually.  Like "show girls", except with a different message.  That's not the problem.  The problem is someone paid the parents of an eleven year old girl to make her dance sexually in a movie that Netflix is showing.  It's a "where do we draw the line as a society" thing.  

The Change.org petition says it well:

 

A seedy truth of harsh reality - pretty much any form of media will be used for disgusting purposes by disgusting people.  Yes, there's a fraction of humans who go into their dark places and do their dark things while watching Dora the Explorer and The Wiggles and Sesame Street.  The only thing we can do about that is proclaim the gospel and preach repentance.  But we can sure stop feeding those people what they want most by making a show where Sesame Street age girls get their sexy twerking on.  

Can't we?

(I notice the petition is up to 158,000.   If you haven't signed it yet, whether you have a Netflix account or not, please consider signing it.  https://www.change.org/p/parents-of-young-children-petition-to-remove-cuties-from-netflix )

The problem with demanding the barn door be closed and  locked; is that all the cattle and horses left the barn long ago.  For decades if someone had a daughter interested in dance they realize that modern dance has had sexual undertones for a very long time.  Pedophiles have long found a haven in the entertainment industry.  So have sexual predators.  This is not new.  As much as the MeToo movement has claimed to be against the abuse of girls and women - it has all become too political.  If our society does not soon fall to violence - I will predict that this sexual thing will continue to expand and grow - that all things acceptable and cool behavior for adults will become acceptable and cool behavior for children.

 

The Traveler

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On 8/20/2020 at 11:40 PM, Traveler said:

I looked into this a little more - since I know nothing about Netflix.  Though I am concerned with the trend, I am not surprised.  I have a beautiful daughter that was very into dance when she was growing up.  She still is.  A few years ago she tried out for a TV show called "So you think you can dance".  She did not make the first cut but was told that she showed promise and should work and try out again.  As a mother of 4 she decided to let go of that dream.

I gave this little back story because 20 years ago this daughter was very into dance.  Of course as a dad, I supported the dreams of my little girl.  Did you see that part about 20 years ago?  I remember going to a competition while this daughter was still in grade school.  Engineers do not know a lot about dance - but I like to think I am a quick learner.  I also married a cheerleader - though I never saw my wife cheer live.  By college she had backed off from cheer-leading.  Anyway watching my little daughter was a bit of a culture shock for me.   Once these little girls get beyond the toddler stage and into serious dance - there are three things that greatly concerned me.  #1. the makeup and hair.  This is way over the top but it is considered part of the training.  #2. are the costumes.   Like the make up the standard is - in my mind - how can I say this???  In the dance world; sexy and cute are synonymous.   I was surprised to learn that part of training a dancer is getting them over the inclination of being embarrassed wearing a costume.  #3. the dance moves.

All of it seemed a little too sexy to me.  Especially for little girls.  

The problem in defining a line between what is acceptable and not acceptable - there is not that much difference between almost to the line and just over the line regardless of where the line is drawn.  And so for my final thought I will quote - Confucius Says:

 

The Traveler

I agree with this. Though my daughters showed promise in dance ( pop music) , I took them out early ( after a year) or had them do clogging instead. Thankfully, they all eventually opted for soccer or track without me having to fight them on it, much. This was 25-26 years ago for my first daughter. Granted I came from a family where I was the youngest and my mother had me at 42 so I was probably a generation behind in my social acceptance of pop culture of the times.  But I was appalled!! This was a pretty conservative community and the dance club included lots of little LDS girls. The high school age dancers were very  suggestive in their dance. During practices for the big end of year show I watched some of the watchers- high school boys! and I saw it through their eyes. That's when I decided my girls weren't going to be dancers. 

 A decade later when my youngest girls had friends that invited them to take ballroom dance with them, I agreed to let them. And it was cute in the way you think miniature farm animals are cute or a tiny house is cute. Someone small dancing like adults do in a formal and very chaste manner. Cute! Until I watched a performance at a competition including some 14 year old girls salsa dancing.  Then I about puked. And after that I told the girls "sorry" but competetive ballroom dancing wasn't anything I would support if it included dancing like that (much to the dismay of my girls and their friends and their friends' mother who despite being one of the most conservative LDS moms I've ever known, had no problem with her young teenage girls dancing with so much sexual overtone. There was a disconnect there that I still don't understand. ) It would have made me sick to see my own girls in that role. My daughters got over it and, as I said, hopped right into cross country and track without missing a beat.

I have one sweet friend with a tiny 10 year old who has won competitions in dance and she posts lots of pictures of her on social media. I just pray that little girl isn't found by a pedophile. She's an easy target and even very suggestive in, like, first day of school pictures. I take it that her mom thinks it's funny but  I worry for them. 

 

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I’m old enough to remember when Brokeback Mountain was a powerful movie that had nothing—nothing!—to do with policy discussions about gay marriage.  
 

Edited by Just_A_Guy

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Well, I assume this should be no surprise as we are incessantly being told we can't help who we are attracted to. Is this movie's timing coincidental to subject talks of: whether or not pedophiles should have compassion/sympathy as a sexual orientation, and Epstein's Island (which could bring a lot of people in the pedophile light who are prominent men)?

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21 minutes ago, Anddenex said:

Well, I assume this should be no surprise as we are incessantly being told we can't help who we are attracted to. Is this movie's timing coincidental to subject talks of: whether or not pedophiles should have compassion/sympathy as a sexual orientation, and Epstein's Island (which could bring a lot of people in the pedophile light who are prominent men)?

I mean, I agree you can't help who you are attracted to, but that doesn't mean it's OK to rape them.

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3 hours ago, Grunt said:

I mean, I agree you can't help who you are attracted to, but that doesn't mean it's OK to rape them.

I'm a little confused by your last statement. Not sure if you are specifying that I implied it's OK to rape them, or if you are responding to the recent news outlets inquiring if pedophiles should have our compassion/sympathy.

I simply was saying I am not sure this Netflix movie is coincidental, or if it is trying to decrease the potential outrage toward Epstein's Island and pedophiles.

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4 minutes ago, Anddenex said:

I'm a little confused by your last statement. Not sure if you are specifying that I implied it's OK to rape them, or if you are responding to the recent news outlets inquiring if pedophiles should have our compassion/sympathy.

I simply was saying I am not sure this Netflix movie is coincidental, or if it is trying to decrease the potential outrage toward Epstein's Island and pedophiles.

No, I didn't mean that at all.  I absolutely agree with you, I was just commenting on that one portion of your statement about being told we can't help who we are attracted to.  I don't think people CAN help who they are attracted to.  There were girls in HS and college I was attracted to.  Some reciprocated, some didn't.  Children, on the other hand, can't give consent.  Therefore, they CAN'T reciprocate.  Having sex with them (pedophilia) is rape.  It's a crime.  It doesn't matter if you are attracted to them or not.  Without consent, you can't have sex.  It doesn't matter if you're me in college drooling over the girl in my Western Civ class or a pedophile interested in 11 year old girls.   

I also ABSOLUTELY agree that mainstreaming this is their intent.  They have done the same thing with other issues in the past, successfully.

 

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8 minutes ago, Anddenex said:

I'm a little confused by your last statement. Not sure if you are specifying that I implied it's OK to rape them, or if you are responding to the recent news outlets inquiring if pedophiles should have our compassion/sympathy.

I simply was saying I am not sure this Netflix movie is coincidental, or if it is trying to decrease the potential outrage toward Epstein's Island and pedophiles.

Alexander Pope said it well: 

“Vice is a monster of so frightful mien
As to be hated needs but to be seen;
Yet seen too oft, familiar with her face,
We first endure, then pity, then embrace.”

The adversary will slowly lead people along with a flaxen cord; over time getting them numb, and used to hearing about various illicit behaviors. Then, they will one day find that they don't believe that such behavior is necessarily "bad", but normal...it just depends on your "point of view". "If all parties consent to it, regardless of age, then surely it can't be wrong." "Who are you to say that they don't love each-other - that this child doesn't really know what they want?" "They are happy this way. We are all different, and should accept each other for who we really are on the inside."

People, including leaders of nations, are already saying these things in isolated cases. Soon it will absolutely become more mainstream, and eventually the norm. Look at what Canada did to this poor father...and the poor child, who is much too young to make such drastic decisions. https://globalnews.ca/news/6399468/bc-gender-change-court/  This same scenario will soon happen here. It will start with mainly child celebrities who have much media and internet attention. Over the years in the spotlight they will identify with different behaviors and movements; and today's youth who idolize them will follow. They will have a sob story about their past and how their new progressive lifestyle makes them happy and free, and the person/people doing it with them are so happy and loving. "So-and-so from such-and-such a TV show cannot be wrong...they are such a good person." "You are bigot for trying to stop them from being themselves, and from doing what makes them happy."

It may be coincidence that the whole Epstein saga is going on at the same time, but I doubt it. In the grand scheme of things, this is all a part of the adversary's plan. Prophets have said that the world will be more wicked than it has ever been in it's history before the Lord finally comes again, and the acceptance and even encouragement of pedophilia in all it's forms will definitely be one part of that wickedness. Time is running out to get our homes in order.

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Looks like this one is topping out at around 300,000.  https://www.change.org/p/parents-of-young-children-petition-to-remove-cuties-from-netflix

This one is at 105,000.  https://www.change.org/p/netflix-cancel-cuties-on-netflix

This general "Cancel Netflix because it isn't family friendly any more" petition is topping 580,000.  https://www.change.org/p/let-s-cancel-netflix-subscriptions-and-help-make-better-streaming-options

I'm not a huge fan of boycotts and change.org petitions.  But it is a way to signal businesses about the reactions some of their customers are having.  Half a million of them, by some counts.  I wonder if it'll make an impact. 

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11 hours ago, NeuroTypical said:

Looks like this one is topping out at around 300,000.  https://www.change.org/p/parents-of-young-children-petition-to-remove-cuties-from-netflix

This one is at 105,000.  https://www.change.org/p/netflix-cancel-cuties-on-netflix

This general "Cancel Netflix because it isn't family friendly any more" petition is topping 580,000.  https://www.change.org/p/let-s-cancel-netflix-subscriptions-and-help-make-better-streaming-options

I'm not a huge fan of boycotts and change.org petitions.  But it is a way to signal businesses about the reactions some of their customers are having.  Half a million of them, by some counts.  I wonder if it'll make an impact. 

Signed them all.

Sadly, I don't think it will make an impact at all to be honest. I compare this to the porn industry...you have tens of thousands of "actors" and "models" in our country getting paid for what they do, not to mention those who are on film crews, photographers, editors, publishers, etc... Yet all of it is available free of charge online. Almost no one really pays for a subscription to a website or magazine anymore...so where does the money come from? Yes, they make some money doing advertisements I suppose, but that isn't really enough if you look at all of their overhead costs. It isn't about making money - it is about the message. I bet many folks would be surprised if they truly knew where money was coming from for some of these garbage industries. One CEO of a porn company also owns several "Christian based" businesses. Many others are child companies of broadcasting networks owned by large corporations that partner with many well known media networks. The adversary has all of the money he needs, and he can get it where he wants it to be fairly easily. He is an expert money launderer. Netflix will simply continue to push their agenda and will be able to remain in business even if many cancel them...their money to continue on will come from other sources that are connected to them.

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