zil Posted May 14, 2018 Report Posted May 14, 2018 Welcome, @barry scott! I think you're gonna need to be a little more verbose in your OP if you want someone to answer your otherwise overly vague question. Who exactly are "the founders"? What are their "original beliefs"? And what has history taught that you view as contrary to those beliefs (or something founded on those beliefs?) and therefore requiring change? Without all that (and possibly more), no one could possibly provide you with a meaningful answer. Crypto, NeuroTypical, person0 and 2 others 5 Quote
NeuroTypical Posted May 14, 2018 Report Posted May 14, 2018 (edited) An agnostic Brit walks into a Mormon forum and starts a poll about the founders of the US constitution? Add a priest and a Rabbi to the story, and you've got the fixins' of a really good joke... Welcome Barry! What Zil said. Edited May 14, 2018 by NeuroTypical Vort, mirkwood, Jane_Doe and 3 others 1 5 Quote
zil Posted May 14, 2018 Report Posted May 14, 2018 Just now, NeuroTypical said: founders of the US constitution Assumes facts not in evidence. Maybe he's talking about Founders Brewing Company. Maybe he's talking about the founders of formal Agnosticism (is there such a thing?). There's something called "Founders Ministries" - maybe it's about those founders. What if it's a type-o and this is all about flounders!? Maybe this post was made just for the halibut! (sorry, couldn't resist) Sunday21, Vort and Crypto 3 Quote
NeuroTypical Posted May 14, 2018 Report Posted May 14, 2018 PunBird acknowledges the fish joke. Sunday21, Jane_Doe, Vort and 3 others 1 5 Quote
mirkwood Posted May 14, 2018 Report Posted May 14, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, zil said: What if it's a type-o and this is all about flounders!? Maybe this post was made just for the halibut! (sorry, couldn't resist) Maybe it's a poll about British fish and chips recipes. Edited May 14, 2018 by mirkwood zil 1 Quote
person0 Posted May 14, 2018 Report Posted May 14, 2018 Also, the two things are not mutually exclusive. Whoever the founders are, can you not agree with them and also learn from history? Why, just the other day I learned that vibranium comes from Wakanda, and that they have been keeping it secret from us for 1000's of years! I agree with their reasons, but I think Iron Man could seriously use a vibranium upgrade to his armor! Why do Captain America and Black Panther get the monopoly on it? Crypto, Anddenex, NeuroTypical and 1 other 1 2 1 Quote
Guest Posted May 16, 2018 Report Posted May 16, 2018 (edited) OK. This is the first I've seen Mirkwood's new Avatar . I approve... Yes, I'm that old. Edited May 16, 2018 by Guest Quote
Guest Posted May 16, 2018 Report Posted May 16, 2018 (edited) On 5/14/2018 at 1:01 PM, person0 said: Also, the two things are not mutually exclusive. Whoever the founders are, can you not agree with them and also learn from history? Why, just the other day I learned that vibranium comes from Wakanda, and that they have been keeping it secret from us for 1000's of years! I agree with their reasons, but I think Iron Man could seriously use a vibranium upgrade to his armor! Why do Captain America and Black Panther get the monopoly on it? Captain America gave his shield up, remember? And he was only borrowing one for Infinity War. In the comics, he (Iron Man) made a suit out of uru which was the second to strongest Asgardian metal. And uru was strong enough to break vibranium (in comics, apparently not in the movies). So, there was a special storyline where Odin's older brother came back from the dead or something like that. And he equipped a whole bunch of bad guys (and some good guys he turned bad) with uru hammers on par with Mjolnir. Thor's superior strength and fighting skills allowed him to hold his own against them. But eventually, he lost and had to flee (IIRC). So, Odin got the remaining Avengers various weapons of uru. Hawkeye had uru arrows, Iron Man's suit went through some special process to turn it into uru. This was the bleeding edge armor so it put him in some danger to survive the process. Edited May 16, 2018 by Guest Quote
Lost Boy Posted May 16, 2018 Report Posted May 16, 2018 The founders??? We are talking Star Trek DS9, right? JohnsonJones and NeuroTypical 1 1 Quote
NeuroTypical Posted May 16, 2018 Report Posted May 16, 2018 "WHO AGREES WITH ORIGINAL BELIEFS OF THE FOUNDERS, OR WHO THINKS WE SHOULD LEARN FROM HISTORY." We know how Odo ultimately voted. And his single vote basically ended a war and altered galactic politics across both the Alpha and Gamma quadrants. JohnsonJones and Lost Boy 1 1 Quote
mordorbund Posted May 16, 2018 Report Posted May 16, 2018 Heh, I learned from history that the founding fathers didn't agree with the original beliefs of the founding fathers. Not only do we have Jefferson vs Hamilton, but also Federalist Papers Madison vs legislator Madison. Vort, zil, Blackmarch and 1 other 3 1 Quote
Blackmarch Posted August 30, 2018 Report Posted August 30, 2018 to the OP. Depends: bad trends should be, good ones less so. Quote
anatess2 Posted August 30, 2018 Report Posted August 30, 2018 Psychohistory is exact. Trust in Seldon and the path he carved. MrShorty and Blackmarch 1 1 Quote
estradling75 Posted August 30, 2018 Report Posted August 30, 2018 17 minutes ago, anatess2 said: Psychohistory is exact. Trust in Seldon and the path he carved. Only as long as there is no mule anatess2, MrShorty and Blackmarch 1 2 Quote
Guest Posted September 1, 2018 Report Posted September 1, 2018 On 5/14/2018 at 8:57 AM, zil said: Assumes facts not in evidence. Maybe he's talking about Founders Brewing Company... What if it's a type-o and this is all about flounders!? Maybe this post was made just for the halibut! (sorry, couldn't resist) Yes!!! That's it! I knew it. I guess he was just asking if we should fish or cut bait. Quote
Guest Posted September 1, 2018 Report Posted September 1, 2018 On 8/30/2018 at 12:38 PM, estradling75 said: Only as long as there is no mule Or Gaia. Quote
Anddenex Posted September 2, 2018 Report Posted September 2, 2018 Ya, the poll kinda present a false dichotomy. 1) Either you agree with the founders 2) Or you believe we need to learn from history (which kinda implies the founders didn't learn from history) I am going to go with, I agree we need to learn from history, and I am willing to agree with others who learned from history. So, I assume I picked option "D" -- Other -- and added my content in ghost text area. Quote
zil Posted September 2, 2018 Report Posted September 2, 2018 2 minutes ago, Anddenex said: 1) Either you agree with the founders Dude, keep up. The OP made a type-o - it's flounders! Anddenex 1 Quote
askandanswer Posted September 7, 2018 Report Posted September 7, 2018 Seems to me as if this whole discussion is kind of floundering in vaguaries. zil 1 Quote
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