Traveler 3734 Report post Posted April 2 On 3/31/2021 at 3:12 PM, DennisTate said: Although I do comprehend President Nelson's reasoning...... ........ I am not sure you really do - President Nelson was the leading expert in heart surgery and a world renown physician. Quote ...... "They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover." (Mark 16:18) From Luke 4:12 : "And Jesus answering said unto him, It is said, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God." The Traveler 2 1 Jane_Doe, NeedleinA and DennisTate reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DennisTate 53 Report post Posted April 2 9 minutes ago, Traveler said: I am not sure you really do - President Nelson was the leading expert in heart surgery and a world renown physician. From Luke 4:12 : "And Jesus answering said unto him, It is said, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God." The Traveler Yes.. I had read that about him...... but that could lead him to be somewhat more trusting of the motives plus the capabilities of the professionals who produced certain variations of the Covid 19 vaccines....( .than I would tend to be.)............. and there is a possibility that my suspicions that the professionals who produced these vaccines MAY NOT HAVE BEEN PRAYING DAILY for wisdom and guidance by the Holy Spirit in their research??????????? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jane_Doe 6102 Report post Posted April 2 An interesting update on this front: The new Church Handbook updates strongly encourages vaccination and advises that un-vaccinated missionaries will most likely serve in their home countries. https://www.deseret.com/faith/2021/3/31/22359997/vaccinations-protect-health-and-preserve-life-latter-day-saint-handbook-update-mormon-lds While neither of these are really new updates (the Church has been pro-vaccine for decades), it is a very potent and timely reminder. 4 1 dprh, JohnsonJones, DennisTate and 2 others reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DennisTate 53 Report post Posted April 2 3 hours ago, Jane_Doe said: An interesting update on this front: The new Church Handbook updates strongly encourages vaccination and advises that un-vaccinated missionaries will most likely serve in their home countries. https://www.deseret.com/faith/2021/3/31/22359997/vaccinations-protect-health-and-preserve-life-latter-day-saint-handbook-update-mormon-lds While neither of these are really new updates (the Church has been pro-vaccine for decades), it is a very potent and timely reminder. This is a wise approach...... this is somewhat similar to how my wife and I think of this topic so far. We want to delay our taking a vaccine until more information comes out about the side effects and....... if and when we may need to travel.... may be the time when we make our final decision on whether or not to get vaccinated.... and which brand of vaccine to choose. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Backroads 2517 Report post Posted April 4 On 4/2/2021 at 10:08 AM, Jane_Doe said: An interesting update on this front: The new Church Handbook updates strongly encourages vaccination and advises that un-vaccinated missionaries will most likely serve in their home countries. https://www.deseret.com/faith/2021/3/31/22359997/vaccinations-protect-health-and-preserve-life-latter-day-saint-handbook-update-mormon-lds While neither of these are really new updates (the Church has been pro-vaccine for decades), it is a very potent and timely reminder. It's my personal random thoughts that this is, at least in small part, a stand in what sometimes seems like a heck of a lot of vaccine confusion. Similar in tone with from when the church made a stand against energy healing, etc. I have witnessed a subset of church members who are very much into natural healing to the point it's a religion in itself. I've seen church members condemning those who do vaccinate, stating they're praying the church bans vaccines, etc. A small group, to be sure, but it's out there. 3 JohnsonJones, Jane_Doe and NeuroTypical reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mirkwood 3269 Report post Posted April 4 1 hour ago, Backroads said: I've seen church members condemning those who do vaccinate, stating they're praying the church bans vaccines, etc. A small group, to be sure, but it's out there. Not all of us non Covid vaccineites are in that crowd. 2 NeuroTypical and Backroads reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Backroads 2517 Report post Posted April 4 13 hours ago, mirkwood said: Not all of us non Covid vaccineites are in that crowd. Of course not. But I do think the Church needed to clarify its stance. 2 mirkwood and Jane_Doe reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mirkwood 3269 Report post Posted April 4 42 minutes ago, Backroads said: Of course not. But I do think the Church needed to clarify its stance. Yes it did. FTR, I am pro vaccine, just not flu vaccines. I've never had one. 1 Backroads reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
estradling75 5517 Report post Posted April 4 2 hours ago, mirkwood said: Yes it did. FTR, I am pro vaccine, just not flu vaccines. I've never had one. Because the flu vaccine is a crap shoot every year... Given the amount of time it takes to create a vaccine the vaccine makers have to "guess" which strains of the flu are most likely to be making the rounds in the up coming flu season... And often they are wrong. So you take a vaccine which is designed to trigger your bodies reaction (aka make you safely sick for a bit) and it does nothing against the flu that is going round because they got the wrong strain.. Vaccines can be wonderful and powerful tools but they are not a magic bullet. 1 Backroads reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeuroTypical 9157 Report post Posted April 4 2 hours ago, mirkwood said: FTR, I am pro vaccine, just not flu vaccines. I've never had one. Then why is this the most-read news article on your browser history? 5 Vort, Carborendum, mirkwood and 2 others reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mirkwood 3269 Report post Posted April 5 8 hours ago, NeuroTypical said: Then why is this the most-read news article on your browser history? Heywaitaminute...mormongator is that you posting under an alias?!?!?!? 1 NeuroTypical reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeuroTypical 9157 Report post Posted April 5 12 hours ago, mirkwood said: Heywaitaminute...mormongator is that you posting under an alias?!?!?!? We discuss you regularly in Facebook messenger. Actually, he drove across several states last year to meet me here in Colorado, so we could discuss you face to face. 1 mirkwood reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpiritDragon 1288 Report post Posted April 7 On 4/4/2021 at 9:42 PM, mirkwood said: Heywaitaminute...mormongator is that you posting under an alias?!?!?!? The moderators should really look into this MG/NT sock puppet thing 1 2 mirkwood, Backroads and mordorbund reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
clwnuke 167 Report post Posted yesterday at 05:44 AM (edited) On 4/2/2021 at 9:08 AM, Jane_Doe said: An interesting update on this front: The new Church Handbook updates strongly encourages vaccination and advises that un-vaccinated missionaries will most likely serve in their home countries. https://www.deseret.com/faith/2021/3/31/22359997/vaccinations-protect-health-and-preserve-life-latter-day-saint-handbook-update-mormon-lds While neither of these are really new updates (the Church has been pro-vaccine for decades), it is a very potent and timely reminder. I remember lining up on my first day in the MTC and receiving 3 or 4 vaccine shots in a row. My shoulder was sore for a week so I don't think that's a new policy. While I regularly receive the flu vaccine, I have no problem with anyone (including myself) opting out of the current COVID-19 gene therapies that create spike proteins. As an investor I have watched companies work for years on true vaccines that took 7-10 years to develop. I would never take an adjuvant developed in an emergency setting right out of the gate. Perhaps too many people have forgotten the Dengvaxia tragedy in the Philippines. Experts had declared Dengvaxia safe, but the experts were wrong. The very fact that new side effects (i.e. blood clotting) have been discovered that were not anticipated from the computer modeling is an indication of the wisdom of taking time in these matters IMHO. https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/moderna-pfizer-vaccines-blood-clots-inflammation-brain-heart/ Edited yesterday at 06:08 AM by clwnuke 1 NeedleinA reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
