What have we come to?

[mikbone]

https://nypost.com/2022/12/15/tonje-gjevjon-faces-up-to-3-years-in-prison-for-saying-men-cannot-be-lesbians/amp/

[scottyg]

1 hour ago, mikbone said:

https://nypost.com/2022/12/15/tonje-gjevjon-faces-up-to-3-years-in-prison-for-saying-men-cannot-be-lesbians/amp/

Idiocracy at work. Plus, the woman herself is a lesbian. The woke eat themselves, and can't seem to see that the platform they have wedded themselves to is about the devil's message, not people's "rights" or "protections" or "equality". I would be ashamed to live in a place like that. However, this type of assault is coming in regards to Christianity. We are in the latter days for sure, and folks need to be ready.

[Carborendum]

10 hours ago, scottyg said:

Idiocracy at work. Plus, the woman herself is a lesbian. The woke eat themselves, and can't seem to see that the platform they have wedded themselves to is about the devil's message, not people's "rights" or "protections" or "equality". I would be ashamed to live in a place like that. However, this type of assault is coming in regards to Christianity. We are in the latter days for sure, and folks need to be ready.

What this tells me is that if I were ever accused of transphobia or ANY alphabet-phobia, I just claim that I'm a very butch lesbian and they have to accept it.

[Ironhold]

1 hour ago, Carborendum said:

What this tells me is that if I were ever accused of transphobia or ANY alphabet-phobia, I just claim that I'm a very butch lesbian and they have to accept it.

The person who shot up that LGBT nightclub declared themselves to be non-binary or something like that, severely wrecking the official narrative about their possible motives. 

[NeuroTypical]

3 hours ago, Ironhold said:

The person who shot up that LGBT nightclub declared themselves to be non-binary or something like that, severely wrecking the official narrative about their possible motives. 

Heh.  And by "wrecked", you mean "stopped covering - nothing to see here - move on".

[JohnsonJones]

On 12/18/2022 at 5:53 AM, Carborendum said:

What this tells me is that if I were ever accused of transphobia or ANY alphabet-phobia, I just claim that I'm a very butch lesbian and they have to accept it.

 

It's always good to be honest with yourself.

Though, revealing such personal items online may not be the wisest course of action...

 

PS:  This is all tongue in cheek, and teasing, not being serious towards Carb...unless Carb is actually being serious in which case I seriously misinterpreted the post. 

[Traveler]

I believe that the saddest lesson to learn in all of this - is that by recruiting children (the younger the better) the more difficult it becomes to criticize the loss of sanity in adults that should be mentoring children. 

 

The Traveler

[Still_Small_Voice]

I hope to gather with the saints and other Christians and people that at least live the ten commandments in a place of safety when it gets really bad.  I think sometime in the future society will fall apart and food will be worth its weight in gold.  May the LORD preserve the righteous and may we escape all the wars and violence that will cover the Earth in the future.

[Traveler]

12 hours ago, Still_Small_Voice said:

I hope to gather with the saints and other Christians and people that at least live the ten commandments in a place of safety when it gets really bad.  I think sometime in the future society will fall apart and food will be worth its weight in gold.  May the LORD preserve the righteous and may we escape all the wars and violence that will cover the Earth in the future.

I am concerned that you might think that by having faith in G-d - that the facing of trials in this life need not occur.  Rather, I believe that we look to G-d and his Saints for strength and support.  And (as in the song “Come Come Ye Saints”) should we suffer even unto death before our journey is through -  All is Well!  My impressions are that we shall see more in the coming months rather than less.

 

The Traveler

[Carborendum]

What have we come to, indeed.

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The woman featured in a glamourous pro-euthanasia commercial for a Canadian clothing retailer only opted for assisted suicide after her years-long attempts to secure proper health care failed, friends have revealed.

https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/woman-euthanasia-commercial-wanted-to-live

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Euthanasia Is Now A Leading Cause Of Death In Canada

The broad eligibility has led to more than 10,000 Canadians being euthanized in the most recent year for which data is available, making it the sixth leading cause of death in the country, the AP reported.

https://dailycaller.com/2022/08/12/canada-euthanasia-disability-human-rights-mental-health/

3% of the deaths in Canada are now from government administered euthanasia.  Most of them are because government will not pay for some expensive treatments for people with long term healthcare needs.

That's what government run healthcare gets you, folks.  They can't give you the care you need.  But they can kill you.

[JohnsonJones]

On 12/20/2022 at 11:09 PM, Still_Small_Voice said:

I hope to gather with the saints and other Christians and people that at least live the ten commandments in a place of safety when it gets really bad.  I think sometime in the future society will fall apart and food will be worth its weight in gold.  May the LORD preserve the righteous and may we escape all the wars and violence that will cover the Earth in the future.

I read an article recently that said that most of those who are preparing for an apocalypse are not prepared enough.  A true apocalypse will last more than a year, and most likely longer than 2 or 3 years.  Most apocalypse planners only plan for a years worth of supplies.  Those supplies will be gone before the apocalyptic event it.

Best to prepare for at least 7 years of apocalyptic recovery.

I still only have a years supply of food though.

[mikbone]

2 hours ago, JohnsonJones said:

I read an article recently that said that most of those who are preparing for an apocalypse are not prepared enough.  A true apocalypse will last more than a year, and most likely longer than 2 or 3 years.  Most apocalypse planners only plan for a years worth of supplies.  Those supplies will be gone before the apocalyptic event it.

Best to prepare for at least 7 years of apocalyptic recovery.

I still only have a years supply of food though.

I’m have no interest to hang out during a 7 year apocalypse.

Hard pass.

[LDSGator]

24 minutes ago, mikbone said:

I’m have no interest to hang out during a 7 year apocalypse.

Hard pass.

Same. What’s the point after watching your friends and family die?

[NeuroTypical]

3 hours ago, JohnsonJones said:

A true apocalypse will last more than a year, and most likely longer than 2 or 3 years.

Agreed.  I spent decades happily prepping for stuff like global pandemics that kill millions, close borders, bring out police state actions and violence on the streets, give rise to new cults with weird beliefs, and threaten culture/safety/institutions.  Then one showed up, and that was my 2020, '21, and much of '22.  And that was just a hefty global pandemic.  I can't imagine an actual apocalypse being 'over' in less time.

[Traveler]

My thinking is not to worry about an apocalypse.  I believe that there will be challenges and trails of faith leading up to the return of Christ but as far as events of apocalypse (that preparedness will help but is not by itself the oil for the lamps of the saints) – I am of the mind that things will be quick and short – 2 or 3 days max (perhaps only hours).  I base this on the example given of Christ coming to the Nephits in the Book of Mormon.  There were signs and prophets that things were near but just about everybody was surprised and caught off guard when the prophesy was fulfilled – and everyone suffered some hardships.

 

The Traveler

[Carborendum]

There are patterns that we see in scriptures, in literature, and in history that lays out an overall pattern of how the apocalypse will play out.

An apocalypse will only happen because of tyranny.  And tyranny will only come to the Promised Land by way of sin.  And sin comes by way of refusing to acknowledge the hand of God in our lives and in the success of this nation.  That much may be what we already know.  And it certainly seems we're at that stage.  But what happens next?

Tyranny lasts until deliverance.  But deliverance takes on so many forms in history and literature that it is impossible to really predict this with any accuracy.  But we will be delivered.

Upon deliverance, we are not immediately prosperous.  There is "the journey".  Consider the journey of Sam and Frodo in the Lord of the Rings.  They were delivered from the enemy so many times.  But they had to work their own way through trial after trial.  This is necessary in individual lives, nations, and a people.  This helps purify us.  Only then can we become free from the tyranny of the carnal man.

At the very end, when we achieve the objective, a "death" occurs.  Sometimes it is literal, sometimes metaphorical.  But there is a death.  Only after that death can there be a re-birth.  And we are only allowed to come to the promised land after that rebirth.  That is why Gollum was a tag along with Frodo until the end.  That is why Gollum had to die with the destruction of the ring.

The Promised Land we seek after the apocalypse is the Millennium.  The establishment of Zion (i.e. the temple in Missouri -- and all that goes with it) is the Journey, not the Destination.

The big question that I haven't seen asked yet is "Are we prepared for the trial of fire that precedes the Millennium so that we can survive the actual fire that initiates the Millennium?"

Edited January 5, 2023 by Carborendum

[Ironhold]

A few days ago, tabletop gaming company Troll Lord Games issued an official statement saying that they were going to be publicly non-political as a company, instead focusing entirely on gaming. They were doing this because they themselves saw gaming as an escape from real life and knew that their customers did so as well.

In response, they got broadsided by political activists who basically accused them of siding with the "oppressors" in society because such-and-such different group needed the company to stand up for them and actively denounce oppression.

Cue members of those same groups - and others - telling the activists to go be quiet and that they agreed with what Troll Lord Games was saying and doing. 

 

This all happened at about the same time someone declared that creating tabletop games that used twenty-sided dice was "gatekeeping" in spite of the fact that Wal-Mart, Target, and several other department stores now sell gaming dice sets - d20 and all - in their card, board, and tabletop games section, often for a fairly low price. Cue that person getting buried under responses telling them as much.

[mikbone]

I bet we are more likely to follow a Star Trek society instead of a Mad Max one.

[Guest Godless]

8 hours ago, mikbone said:

I bet we are more likely to follow a Star Trek society instead of a Mad Max one.

I'm no Trekkie, but isn't Star Trek society basically socialist?

[NeuroTypical]

6 hours ago, Godless said:

I'm no Trekkie, but isn't Star Trek society basically socialist?

I am a Trekkie, and there is certainly no shortage of leftie socialist fans.  It's not hard to find full-on communist Star Trek fans, out zealously posting about how ST proves that the masses can and will eventually make it work.  Sometimes they go so far as to propose solutions for the foolish holdouts who will resist the utopia when it arrives. 

The quick response to that is always "Yep - invent free energy and a magic box that makes whatever you want for free, and I'm on board.  Until then, please understand we're gonna decline to be shipped off to gulags."  I'll be happy to ditch capitalism once we're a post-scarcity civilization.  Until then, I'll be keeping it.

Edited January 5, 2023 by NeuroTypical

[The Folk Prophet]

54 minutes ago, NeuroTypical said:

I am a Trekkie, and there is certainly no shortage of leftie socialist fans.  It's not hard to find full-on communist Star Trek fans, out zealously posting about how ST proves that the masses can and will eventually make it work.  Sometimes they go so far as to propose solutions for the foolish holdouts who will resist the utopia when it arrives. 

The quick response to that is always "Yep - invent free energy and a magic box that makes whatever you want for free, and I'm on board.  Until then, please understand we're gonna decline to be shipped off to gulags."  I'll be happy to ditch capitalism once we're a post-scarcity civilization.  Until then, I'll be keeping it.

I'll also be happy to ditch capitalism once replicators are invented.

[Vort]

7 hours ago, Godless said:

I'm no Trekkie, but isn't Star Trek society basically socialist?

And atheist. As a child, I was caught up in Star Trek. As an adult, I'm far less impressed.

[Ironhold]

1 hour ago, NeuroTypical said:

I am a Trekkie, and there is certainly no shortage of leftie socialist fans.  It's not hard to find full-on communist Star Trek fans, out zealously posting about how ST proves that the masses can and will eventually make it work.  Sometimes they go so far as to propose solutions for the foolish holdouts who will resist the utopia when it arrives. 

The quick response to that is always "Yep - invent free energy and a magic box that makes whatever you want for free, and I'm on board.  Until then, please understand we're gonna decline to be shipped off to gulags."  I'll be happy to ditch capitalism once we're a post-scarcity civilization.  Until then, I'll be keeping it.

I seem to recall an episode of The Original Series where Kirk commented that a redshirt had "earned [his] wages for the month" as a compliment after they came up with a solution to a problem, suggesting that money was still a thing in the Federation and people were still getting wages and benefits based on their jobs.

[Carborendum]

17 hours ago, mikbone said:

I bet we are more likely to follow a Star Trek society instead of a Mad Max one.

Well, Mad Max has actually happened in isolated locations on earth already.  Star Trek depends on a purely theoretical technology (warp drive) that for all practical means is completely unachievable by any terrestrial energy sources.

Soooo...

[Vort]

8 minutes ago, Carborendum said:

Star Trek depends on a purely theoretical technology (warp drive) that for all practical means is completely unachievable by any terrestrial energy sources.

...and that by all current models of physics and even metaphysics is not even meaningful...

What does it even mean for one to "travel faster than light"? This phrase sounds like it means something, but it does not. At least, it does not mean anything within the scope of our models of space and time. The adjective "startrekkian" means exactly the sort of handwaving arguments that seek to establish ridiculous or even meaningless things as substantial. Star Trek is not substantial, not scientifically, not anthropologically, and certainly not spiritually.