Trump just lost the election

[Suzie]

7 hours ago, LDSGator said:

While I agree with Lichtman (even though I’m voting libertarian) I worry that the left falls into the same trap as the right. They only agree with news they already agree with. I’m sure I could find professors/historians who think Trump will win too. 

I would generally agree with this assessment but not in this case. Even though Lichtman is clearly a Democrat, he predicted that Trump would win in 2016 when most people thought Clinton would be the winner.

[Jamie123]

 

 

[Ironhold]

For those who don't know:

A few days ago, various reports arose indicating that a group of Haitian immigrants in Ohio were hunting domestic pets and park animals for meat. Various groups, like The Federalist, and other outlets started gathering anecdotal evidence to support these reports. 

Hence Trump bringing it up at the debates and all the memes you're now seeing of Trump protecting various animals and cats in military uniforms. 

Rather than evaluate the evidence, however, a lot of left-wing outlets and pundits are dismissing the reports on their face and claiming that anyone who is even attempting to investigate these reports is a de facto "racist". 

I had to explain this to my mom last night because she didn't understand a cat video she was laughing at, this after a news & politics group I'm in screamed at me for "fake news". 

[mikbone]

29 minutes ago, Ironhold said:

I had to explain this to my mom last night because she didn't understand a cat video she was laughing at, this after a news & politics group I'm in screamed at me for "fake news". 

Is that why Im seeing alot of social media pictures with single young women holding cats?

Looks like Trump has dug himself quite a hole.

Edited September 12, 2024 by mikbone

[NeuroTypical]

Oh, the left hyper-focusing on Trump's goofy blather is nothing new.

I remember at the start of the COVID quarantine, I'd watch the press briefings.  Trump/Pence, then my CO governor, then the NY governor's briefings.   It was somewhat comforting to hear all 3 of them sounding about the same, saying the same things, giving the same information.  I mean, Trump had his yuge blather, CO Gov Polis had his tired dad pleadings for calm, the NY governor had his Trump Sucks rhetoric, but the actual facts being relayed, including about actions being taken, were pretty much all the same.

Then, Trump gave a briefing where he introduced some guy from Homeland Security.  Dude and his team worked in the biological threat area of the department, and they had completed an analysis of the COVID virus and had results to give to the entire world.  He talked about how the thing lived, how it thrived, and how it died.  He talked about how the virus behaved in the presence of moisture, or heat, or cold.  He talked about how it stood up under alcohol wipes, bleach wipes, intense light, darkness, and uv light.  He talked about how long it could survive on various surfaces, in various conditions. 

It was the first release of such information.  I was incredibly comforted to learn that UV light handily killed the virus.  It didn't survive outside long because of the natural UV light from the sun.  Even in the shade, there was enough natural UV light to kill the virus, just it would take a bit longer.   Social media had been full of people terrified of going anywhere in public, because they might touch something an infected person had touched.   We didn't need to worry about gas pump handles!  Or outside things!  The release of information was hugely comforting.

Then I went out to see what the humans were saying about the briefing, and they were all angrily mocking Trump for his guessing comments about potential healthcare procedures that might involve UV light.  Absolutely zero people were talking about the contents of the actual report - they hated Trump more than they wanted information.  Endless mocking memes.

 

Good times.  And they're still here.   A whole dang debate between our two presidential candidates, and all anyone will remember is crap like this: 

 

And if Trump wins a 2nd term, we can prepare for more of the same.  No matter what happens, no matter how good or positive, Trump's more outlandish flubbs will make front page headlines.

How many of y'all knew COVID died quickly in UV light?  When did you learn about it?  Was it 2 weeks into 2020 quarantine lockdown like me?  Or was it sometime after the election...

 

 

Edited September 12, 2024 by NeuroTypical

[LDSGator]

48 minutes ago, NeuroTypical said:

the left hyper-focusing on Trump's goofy blather is nothing new.

It’s not a Trump thing, he just gives them more ammo. The left focused on the misstatements and blunders of W, and the right did/does so with Biden.  

[NeuroTypical]

17 minutes ago, LDSGator said:

It’s not a Trump thing, he just gives them more ammo. The left focused on the misstatements and blunders of W, and the right did/does so with Biden.  

Well, sort of.  American politics has always been nasty, name-calling, character-assassinating and vile from the very start.  But with Trump it's different. 

It's not just the left, plenty of folks hate Trump from all over the political spectrum.  It was a valid point in the debate, when Kamala pointed out the dozens of former Trump administration folks who had endorsed her.  It was also a valid point when Trump explained that he had fired most of them, of course they hate him, the public sent him there to drain the swamp and the swamp doesn't go down without a fight and by the way Kamala who have you and Biden ever fired? 

Plus, I've not seen the level of traumatized hatred we routinely see towards Trump, directed at any other political figure in the US, ever.  My old FB arguing buddy once angrily told me I had triggered his PTSD after sending him a funny clip of a Trump voice impersonator doing a reading of Dr. Seuss' The Lorax.  He had proudly avoided hearing orangeman's voice until I sent him that clip, and he accused me of using an underhanded tactic to harm his mental health.  On the eve of his first election, I was on a facebook group for theater fans - an overwhelmingly left-leaning bunch.  They were genuinely panicking about Trump's election.  They were reporting elevated heart rates and hyperventilating.  They were certain that jack-booted govt thugs were coming to end their LGBT lives, and deport their immigrant grandmothers.   They weren't joking or making fun - it was genuine panicky terror.

And you can't really talk about the nastiness against Trump without mentioning that mainstream left-leaning publications and news outlets were comparing him to hitler so often and so graphically that he had to come within a few millimeters of having his head blown off by an assassin's bullet, before they'd tone down the rhetoric a little.   

Please, show me the comparable examples of this stuff, published in mainstream press, directed at Harris or Biden or Obama or Pelosi or any of 'em.

     

 

Yeah, with Trump it's different.

[LDSGator]

55 minutes ago, NeuroTypical said:

Yeah, with Trump it's different.

It is, because he’s so aggressive and confrontational. There is a lot of evidence he has a serious anger problem. The best way to confront a bully isn’t with love and cuddles. It’s with their own attitude right back at them. If he was less bombastic and obnoxious the left would still hate his politics (you aren’t wrong on that). 
 

Trump is your high school bully who, when you punch back (metaphorically), runs and tattles to his friends or a teacher and then acts shocked-shocked he got punched. 
 

Trump is the last guy on Earth who can say “play fair, be polite and nice.” Nope. He wanted this, he got it. 

Edited September 12, 2024 by LDSGator

[Manners Matter]

18 minutes ago, LDSGator said:

It is, because he’s so aggressive and confrontational.  

That's not why it's different with Trump. Dig deeper! 

[LDSGator]

3 minutes ago, Manners Matter said:

That's not why it's different with Trump. Dig deeper! 

Okay. 

[Traveler]

It has been almost 60 since I was on the high school debate team and I must admit that I did not endure the entire debate, but Trump was horrible, and Harris won while I did watch.  The worse sin in debating is to show up unprepared.   As always Trump thought himself the smarter and that all he needed to do was show up and blurt out a bunch of opinions, rhetoric, finger pointing and blame.   And that is exactly how he came across.

Harris said nothing but the typical political nonsense – “I care, and I will work 24/7 to solve the problems.”   We may know that the great lie is – “I am from the government, and I am here to help.”  Never-the-less it is still the most believed lie.

All the belly aching by the republicans is true – the debate was rigged.  But everybody in the world already knew that.  Though the debate was rigged Trump behaved like a winey rich kid and played directly into Harris’s rhetoric.   And the Republicans conceded the debate so they could whine about democrat dirty tricks.  This is all the oldest trick in the high school debate instruction book.  Distract your opponent and get them complaining about stuff that does not matter and has nothing to do with the reason for the debate.

I would say we are doomed because the only possible candidates are stupid idiots.  Except this is more the norm throughout history than the exception.

 

The Traveler

[LDSGator]

5 minutes ago, Traveler said:

It has been almost 60 since I was on the high school debate team

Dude! I was on the debate team too. Model UN, Chess club, and debate team! 
 

You can tell I was one of the cool kids. 😜 

[Carborendum]

22 minutes ago, Traveler said:

I would say we are doomed because the only possible candidates are stupid idiots.  

Yeah.  That's so much worse than those brilliant idiots we hear so much about.

[Traveler]

19 minutes ago, LDSGator said:

Dude! I was on the debate team too. Model UN, Chess club, and debate team! 
 

You can tell I was one of the cool kids. 😜 

Great – we can be friends!  I was never one of the cool kids but my friends all were.

 

The Traveler

[LDSGator]

2 minutes ago, Traveler said:

Great – we can be friends!  I was never one of the cool kids but my friends all were.

 

The Traveler

I wasn’t either. Never have been, never will be. 
 

And I always did like and admire you, even when we disagree. 

Edited September 12, 2024 by LDSGator

[NeuroTypical]

1 hour ago, LDSGator said:

He wanted this, he got it. 

Want to make sure I'm not putting words in your mouth.  Are you saying you think he earned the calls of fascism and the comparisons to hitler which fed that bullet that almost took his head off?

Again, I'm not saying that's what you're saying.  I'm asking if that's what you're saying.

Edited September 12, 2024 by NeuroTypical

[LDSGator]

42 minutes ago, NeuroTypical said:

Want to make sure I'm not putting words in your mouth.  Are you saying you think he earned the calls of fascism and the comparisons to hitler which fed that bullet that almost took his head off?

Again, I'm not saying that's what you're saying.  I'm asking if that's what you're saying.

Nope, I’m saying he deserves the same energy he gives. I never said he deserves to be assassinated-hence why I even added the “metaphorically” when I said he’s a bully who whines when you punch back.  Because I wanted to be clear that violence isn’t the answer. 
 

But, speaking of assaults, I’ll bet you that people who were aghast at his assassination attempt made cruel or dismissive comments about Paul Pelosi being attacked. Our sense of moral outrage depends on our side.  

He absolutely, 100% deserves to be spoken to how he speaks to others.   That I stand by completely.
 

If that means they call him names-well, Donald Trump has done the same. He hasn’t exactly used polite and mannerly language in his past, so why should everyone else avoid doing it back to him?  

Again, I’m saying just words and tone. Not violence. 

Edited September 12, 2024 by LDSGator

[LDSGator]

21 minutes ago, NeuroTypical said:

Again, I'm not saying that's what you're saying.  I'm asking if that's what you're saying.

No worries. 

[The Folk Prophet]

33 minutes ago, LDSGator said:

Because I wanted to be clear that violence isn’t the answer. 

I think it's funny that people feel the need to throw this out all the time in speaking of how we react to any given thing. But it's such nonsense.

Of COURSE sometimes violence is the answer. Obviously.

[Phoenix_person]

4 hours ago, NeuroTypical said:

How many of y'all knew COVID died quickly in UV light?  When did you learn about it?  Was it 2 weeks into 2020 quarantine lockdown like me?  Or was it sometime after the election...

I learned about it at the same time you did, and the same way. And yes, I mocked Trump for the way he presented the information, because it was absurd. He should have left the science talk to the scientists.

 

3 hours ago, NeuroTypical said:

Well, sort of.  American politics has always been nasty, name-calling, character-assassinating and vile from the very start.  But with Trump it's different. 

It's not just the left, plenty of folks hate Trump from all over the political spectrum.  It was a valid point in the debate, when Kamala pointed out the dozens of former Trump administration folks who had endorsed her.  It was also a valid point when Trump explained that he had fired most of them, of course they hate him, the public sent him there to drain the swamp and the swamp doesn't go down without a fight and by the way Kamala who have you and Biden ever fired? 

Plus, I've not seen the level of traumatized hatred we routinely see towards Trump, directed at any other political figure in the US, ever.  My old FB arguing buddy once angrily told me I had triggered his PTSD after sending him a funny clip of a Trump voice impersonator doing a reading of Dr. Seuss' The Lorax.  He had proudly avoided hearing orangeman's voice until I sent him that clip, and he accused me of using an underhanded tactic to harm his mental health.  On the eve of his first election, I was on a facebook group for theater fans - an overwhelmingly left-leaning bunch.  They were genuinely panicking about Trump's election.  They were reporting elevated heart rates and hyperventilating.  They were certain that jack-booted govt thugs were coming to end their LGBT lives, and deport their immigrant grandmothers.   They weren't joking or making fun - it was genuine panicky terror.

And you can't really talk about the nastiness against Trump without mentioning that mainstream left-leaning publications and news outlets were comparing him to hitler so often and so graphically that he had to come within a few millimeters of having his head blown off by an assassin's bullet, before they'd tone down the rhetoric a little.   

Please, show me the comparable examples of this stuff, published in mainstream press, directed at Harris or Biden or Obama or Pelosi or any of 'em.

     

 

Yeah, with Trump it's different.

A lot of us are judging Trump by his truest believers, a group that has no shortage of Klansmen, J6 rioters and their sympathizers, and actual Nazis. When he's handed a gift-wrapped opportunity to denounce the very loud and heavily-armed extremists in his base, he never does. That's because he knows that a lot of his most enthusiastic supporters aren't Republicans like you, it's the America First extremists who have rotted their brains with "White Replacement" propaganda from Gab and Infowars. Emboldening that wing of the Republican party is Trump's biggest, most unforgivable crime. Heck, I don't even know for sure about the Klansmen because it seems like a lot of folks with those types of worldviews don't feel the need to wear hoods anymore. I think his economic plans are a disaster, but otherwise you're right that his policies are harmless. The opposition to Trump isn't about policy, it's about preventing his base from getting any kind of proximity to power again. 

[pam]

I just hate that at one time we were a respected nation. Now these days we are the laughing stock of nations.

[mikbone]

I wonder if some of the Trump trucks and bumper sticker cars are gonna tone it down.

Kinda like a bad tattoo.

[LDSGator]

10 minutes ago, mikbone said:

I wonder if some of the Trump trucks and bumper sticker cars are gonna tone it down.

Kinda like a bad tattoo.

@Phoenix_person, dude, we caught you! 

[NeuroTypical]

18 hours ago, Phoenix_person said:

A lot of us are judging Trump by his truest believers, a group that has no shortage of Klansmen, J6 rioters and their sympathizers, and actual Nazis.

I get it.  It's a difference between the left and the right.  The left is more about 'the people', and talk is about the groups and organizations, less about figureheads.   The right is often more leader-oriented, and therefore it's a common tactic to identify a republican nominee by his whackiest or evilest followers.   And while you're not doing it here, I've found it's also common to try to lump anyone on the right into those extreme camps.  I've lost track of how many times I've been called a bootlicker or a nazi.  Here's my favorite, after I had been told I was a "cultural marxist":

For me and my house (and 99% of the conservatives I know) we're not 'true believers' of any human.  I'm automatically suspicious of zealous devotion to any individual.  

When you push those people as "his base", I think you do a disservice to the vast majority of folks who support him. 

 

18 hours ago, Phoenix_person said:

When he's handed a gift-wrapped opportunity to denounce the very loud and heavily-armed extremists in his base, he never does.

Heh.  This criticism is sort of the dying embers of the original "Trump keeps refusing to condemn white supremacists" claim, pushed hard by the left media from ~2015 until J6.  

I feel him at 0:22.  "I disavowed David Duke all weekend long.  On Facebook, on Twitter. And obviously it's never enough."   I think about when Buzz Aldrin punched that guy who showed up with a bible, demanding he swear on it that he walked on the moon.  

As far as "heavily armed extremists" goes, I've also been called one of them.  The first time I was associated with violent bad guys was in 2009, when the Clinton administration was blaming right wing radio for the Unibomber.  Hillary kept it going with her "clinging to their guns and religion" comments.  Then came the smears and fearmongering against so-called patriot militias.  The left's panic over "heavily armed extremists" rivals the right's panic over "evil schoolteachers pushing porn books on our children and pushing them to transition in secret". 

Full disclosure: I honestly don't give a crap about the black-nationalist NFAC (Not F-ing Around Coalition).  If people wanna arm themselves up and march down main street in a show of force, I'm not opposed.  If they break the law, then it's a problem.  Not before. 

Anyway, it's still nice to have you here @Phoenix_person!   It's important for the different sides to keep talking to each other. 

 

Edited September 13, 2024 by NeuroTypical

[NeuroTypical]

16 hours ago, mikbone said:

I wonder if some of the Trump trucks and bumper sticker cars are gonna tone it down.

I started seeing them pop back up here in Colorado last year.   Just yesterday I saw a brand new newbie one of 'em.  He was coming to grips with the reality of physics, where if you stick flags on your truck and drive fast, the wind whips them around and eventually destroys them.   

No, they won't be going away any time soon.