Mandatory reporting and ministering visits

[LDSGator]

14 minutes ago, askandanswer said:

An ignorant American? Isn't that a bit of tautology

Oh my little Outback buddy, you hit a nerve with me. 
 

Americans are in a catch-22. If we don’t have an opinion about global issues, “Ha ha ha look at the stupid American.” If we have an opinion, the response is always “Why do you care American? It doesn't concern you.” 
 

The amount of non Americans who grasp this contradiction is essentially zero. So yeah, you are right. It’s absolutely those stupid Americans. Yup. Stupid, stupid stupid. 
 

Edited July 5, 2023 by LDSGator

[askandanswer]

I've repented and removed it. I'm feeling far less dizzy now than I was a moment ago. 

[Ironhold]

5 hours ago, LDSGator said:

Oh my little Outback buddy, you hit a nerve with me. 
 

Americans are in a catch-22. If we don’t have an opinion about global issues, “Ha ha ha look at the stupid American.” If we have an opinion, the response is always “Why do you care American? It doesn't concern you.” 
 

The amount of non Americans who grasp this contradiction is essentially zero. So yeah, you are right. It’s absolutely those stupid Americans. Yup. Stupid, stupid stupid. 
 

Meanwhile, people who aren't from America often feel fully entitled to talk all the smack they want, as if they know better despite having never set foot here.

[LDSGator]

2 hours ago, Ironhold said:

Meanwhile, people who aren't from America often feel fully entitled to talk all the smack they want, as if they know better despite having never set foot here.

AMEN. Couldn’t agree more. They are the keyboard warriors of international commentary 😉 

[LDSGator]

7 hours ago, askandanswer said:

I've repented and removed it. I'm feeling far less dizzy now than I was a moment ago. 

We’re entitled to make jokes about your country being founded by prison inmates and koala bears for the next three years bro. 
 

😛 

[Ironhold]

15 hours ago, LDSGator said:

AMEN. Couldn’t agree more. They are the keyboard warriors of international commentary 😉 

A lot of people are past the point of "cultural ignorance" and well into the territory of "cultural arrogance". 

They believe that their culture is superior, and anything that isn't their culture is inferior by default. 

[Vort]

38 minutes ago, Ironhold said:

A lot of people are past the point of "cultural ignorance" and well into the territory of "cultural arrogance". 

They believe that their culture is superior, and anything that isn't their culture is inferior by default. 

I'm glad my culture isn't stupid like that.

[LDSGator]

3 hours ago, Ironhold said:

A lot of people are past the point of "cultural ignorance" and well into the territory of "cultural arrogance". 

They believe that their culture is superior, and anything that isn't their culture is inferior by default. 

I agree, but I’m 99% sure @askandanswer meant it just as some harmless ribbing. 

Edited July 6, 2023 by LDSGator

[NeuroTypical]

Notice to everyone who isn't me or my people:

[Lost Boy]

If I know for a fact abuse is going on, I would certainly report it.  If I don't know for certain, I doubt I would do anything.  The nanny state can't prove what I know or don't know.

[LDSGator]

@askandanswer Even the Almighty has an issue with you people down under. 😜 

[NeuroTypical]

Doesn't Australia already call this "the night of a million giant spiders raining from the sky" or some such?

[askandanswer]

9 hours ago, LDSGator said:

@askandanswer Even the Almighty has an issue with you people down under. 😜 

Australia is well to the east of most of the rest of the world according to this map

 

26 For as the light of the morning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west, and covereth the whole earth, so shall also the coming of the Son of Man be.

[rcthompson88]

Educator here from Colorado, and we just finished our annual Mandatory Reporter training. According to that, at least within Colorado, we are mandatory reporters at all time, and under an obligation to report suspected abuse even for things outside of work. In fact, we could technically receive a misdemeanor charge if it was discovered that we had reasonable cause to suspect abuse and fail to report it no matter where or when we witness it.

[marge]

On 6/29/2023 at 8:59 PM, askandanswer said:

In many Australian states and territories, legislation about mandatory reporting requirements impose an obligation to report suspicions of abuse or violence, particularly in relation to children. In most jurisdictions, this requirement is limited to people likely to be working with children, eg, teachers, social workers, medical specialists and the like. However, in the jurisdiction where I live, everybody over the age of 18 is mandatorily required to report suspicions of abuse and domestic violence. 

A ministering visit has recently taken place in our branch which led to the ministering visitor making a mandatory report to a government agency. I can see how this might be problematic for two reasons - I suspect there is a very low percentage of ministering brothers and sisters who are aware of their mandatory reporting obligations, so that could lead to a situation whereby church members carrying out a church responsibility, might be in breach of mandatory reporting requirements by failing to report what they see during their ministering visits. Secondly, there may be some members who, if they knew that a ministering visit could potentially generate a mandatory report, might become hesitant about allowing ministering visits in their home. 

Does anyone else live in a jurisdiction where everybody over the age of 18 has a requirement to mandatorily report, and if so, does this have any impact on how ministering is done? 

This extra level of reporting responsibility is giving me Dan Andrews vibes, can I ask what state you're in? 

Edit to add, upon reading the entire thread (which I probably should have done in the first place!) it appears you're in the NT somewhere, I lived in Darwin city for a few years, I loved it.  See you in the NT

Edited August 11, 2023 by marge

[Emmanuel Goldstein]

On 7/12/2023 at 1:23 PM, LDSGator said:

@askandanswer Even the Almighty has an issue with you people down under. 😜 

We could call it Sunday.

[LDSGator]

1 minute ago, Emmanuel Goldstein said:

We could call it Sunday.

I would call it “thank goodness I don’t live in the same country as @askandanswer” 😛 

 

(he’s a friend of mine. All in good fun!!) 

[askandanswer]

15 hours ago, marge said:

This extra level of reporting responsibility is giving me Dan Andrews vibes, can I ask what state you're in? 

Edit to add, upon reading the entire thread (which I probably should have done in the first place!) it appears you're in the NT somewhere, I lived in Darwin city for a few years, I loved it.  See you in the NT

Hello Marge, welcome back, its very nice to hear from you again. I hope you continue to participate regularly. 

Yes. you're right, I'm here in Darwin. We moved here early last year after living in the other Territory for more than 20 years. I enjoy it more than in Canberra. 

[askandanswer]

5 hours ago, LDSGator said:

I would call it “thank goodness I don’t live in the same country as @askandanswer” 😛 

 

(he’s a friend of mine. All in good fun!!) 

Google tells me its 15,883 kilometers to Tallahassee. That's still way too close. Halifax, Nova Scotia, is 16,164. Could you please move to Halifax?

[LDSGator]

29 minutes ago, askandanswer said:

Google tells me its 15,883 kilometers to Tallahassee. That's still way too close. Halifax, Nova Scotia, is 16,164. Could you please move to Halifax?

Lol!! 

[mordorbund]

1 hour ago, askandanswer said:

its 15,883 kilometers to Tallahassee.

Yet another reason miles is better than kilometers.

[Backroads]

21 hours ago, rcthompson88 said:

Educator here from Colorado, and we just finished our annual Mandatory Reporter training. According to that, at least within Colorado, we are mandatory reporters at all time, and under an obligation to report suspected abuse even for things outside of work. In fact, we could technically receive a misdemeanor charge if it was discovered that we had reasonable cause to suspect abuse and fail to report it no matter where or when we witness it.

Also an educator. Utah. Just finished my mandatory reporter training today as well. (It's odd that I get the training but random citizens who are also by Utah law mandatory reporters don't get it). 

Look, I've made my share of calls. One mom had four calls from four different school employees in a week to CPS. Turns out she already has a social worker working with her. It's online school, and the lady flat-out said she was choosing online school because she knows CPS would take her kid away in brick-and-mortar school (social worker told us she was actively discouraging online school on her end). I still have no idea whatever became of them, because Mom had a mental episode, sent us a bunch of rambling voicemails, and pulled the kid from the school. 

Back to the point: I truly hate the idea of not getting help for a child suffering abuse. I truly hate the notion of just letting people legitimately suffer because it's not our business or something. 

But the law has made it all so frustrating. 

[Vort]

37 minutes ago, Backroads said:

(It's odd that I get the training but random citizens who are also by Utah law mandatory reporters don't get it).

The state can't force random citizens to take that kind of training. They can force state employees, though.

[Backroads]

19 minutes ago, Vort said:

The state can't force random citizens to take that kind of training. They can force state employees, though.

It just seems pointless. They're mandatory reporters, too, but ultimately don't have to do anything.

[Jedi_Nephite]

One problem, among many others, with the mandatory reporting laws, is that there is no accountability.  So, if an ex spouse, vindictive neighbor, or a school employee that simply doesn’t like the parents’ method of discipline, calls CPS and reports abuse, they can do so without any consequences of making a false report or exercising poor judgment.  Making a report to CPS is very serious, and can cause a lot of worry, stress and sometimes money to innocent families.  Anonymous reporting makes it too easy to file frivolous reports.  Now, people like educators are not completely anonymous, as CPS knows who made the allegation, but the parents are not allowed to know.  And quite frankly, if my child’s teacher is making allegations about me, that puts my child in danger, and I should have every right to know who that is.