Connie
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"Artificial insemination of single sisters is not approved. Single sisters who deliberately refuse to follow the counsel of Church leaders in this matter are subject to Church discipline."
Wow! There it is. When in doubt, check Handbook 2. Thanks, @zil.
- Midwest LDS, Vort and zil
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A single woman has so many options. There are so many people in this world who are in need of mothering. There are tons of career paths to take such as teaching, daycare, nursing, social work, etc., etc., etc. What is her job? There may be opportunities there to mother. If not, there are so many volunteer opportunities. She could look on justserve.org to find volunteer opportunities in her area.
- Midwest LDS, dprh and Backroads
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"Children are entitled to birth within the bonds of matrimony, and to be reared by a father and a mother who honor marital vows with complete fidelity." --from The Family: A Proclamation to the World
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19 hours ago, carlimac said:
How about at 6:00 AM like just about everywhere in the world except Utah (and parts of several other western states).
I would absolutely love that! And that's pretty much what i mean when i say i wish it wasn't so entrenched with the public school. Even thinking of my own experience in high school. It would have been wonderful to have early morning seminary and then get to take some more extra curricular classes.
I don't know about other areas of Utah, but there is very little concession made here for alternative education styles. We are pretty much expected to gain intimate knowledge of the public school schedule, which is frankly quite asinine, and never fits in very well with the online school our kids go to. There is one early morning class across the two high schools in my area. They make it very clear to any who ask that that class is reserved for public schooled kids who need to take extra courses and cannot do released time. They do offer home study but only if you make it clear that there is no time your kid can possibly attend during one of their class periods. There is also an online class, but they don't even mention that option unless you've gone a while doing home study. The online class is awful.
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They did something similar back when I was in high school and they wanted things a little more aligned with what was happening in Sunday school. They had to offer a special class for the seniors so they wouldn’t miss out on the book they hadn’t done. So seniors were studying one thing while everyone else started on the new one that the seniors had already done.
I have longed to see seminary less entrenched in the public school schedule, especially here in Utah. It is incredibly hard for homeschoolers and those who chose alternative education to find a good time for seminary for their kids here in my area. This seems like it may be a step in that direction. This is going to be quite the transition.
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I think you are right to want to get this resolved before marriage. Just based on what you’ve written here, I think the bigger issue (over finding a church you are both comfortable with) is that you are so committed to this and she, seemingly, is not. You need to sit down together and really communicate about this issue. Find out why she doesn’t seem to think this is important to figure out before marriage.
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6 hours ago, Phineas said:
The whole LGBT issue seems to be a major stumbling block for a lot of members. I know of two high profile members who have recently become disaffected over this issue. Many see the Church as being harmful and intolerant towards LGBT people. I am curious to hear how other faithful Later-day Saints reconcile the Church’s teachings concerning this topic with Christ’s teachings on love and compassion.
This is how i reconcile it: https://www.lds.org/general-conference/2009/10/love-and-law?lang=eng
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Thanks, @Sunday21. That was very informative. I just had to go find and watch all her narcissism videos as well. Very interesting stuff.
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I am reminded of Moses and the Israelites. Weren’t they given the law of Moses which prescribes every little thing because they couldn’t live the higher law? In many ways it is so much easier to just be told what to do rather than trying to figure out what the Spirit is telling you.
With these word of wisdom scenarios, though, I think it’s reversed, at least for me. As far as the transition from what it has been, scenarios 2 would be easier. It would just be business as normal since I have no desire to try such substances and in that scenario it doesn’t seem that I would have to. The first scenario would be harder to transition to with more common substances being restricted.
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Vort mentioned books on the subject and that reminded me of a book we read with our kids several years ago called Boyhood and Beyond: Practical Wisdom for Becoming a Man by Bob Schultz. It's geared toward kids and teens, so not hard reading, but it's really quite good if you're looking for more practical advice. The author is not a Latter-day Saint but is a Christian and writes in that context.
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This poem by Rudyard Kipling comes to mind. But I think Jesus Christ is the ultimate man. Study His life and become as much like Him as you can.
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Will the Church Ever Change Its Doctrine and Sanction Same-Sex Marriages?
Central to God’s plan, the doctrine of marriage between a man and woman is an integral teaching of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and will not change:
“As a doctrinal principle, based on the scriptures, the Church affirms that marriage between a man and a woman is essential to the Creator’s plan for the eternal destiny of His children.
“Sexual relations are proper only between a man and a woman who are legally and lawfully wedded as husband and wife. Any other sexual relations, including those between persons of the same gender, are sinful and undermine the divinely created institution of the family. The Church accordingly affirms defining marriage as the legal and lawful union between a man and a woman” (Handbook 2: Administering the Church, 21.4.10).
Source: https://mormonandgay.lds.org/articles/frequently-asked-questions?lang=eng (it's the last question on the page, scroll down)
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Changed Through His Grace by Brad Wilcox. It's fantastic! Highly recommend.
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“When we put God first, all other things fall into their proper place or drop out of our lives.” – Ezra Taft Benson
I find that when I am doing those little daily things—prayer, scripture study, repentance, service, etc.—that put God first in my life, then my burden is actually lighter. When we prioritize those things that matter most, the things that matter very little become of so much lesser importance. See Matthew 11:28-30.
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On 10/31/2018 at 6:14 AM, Carborendum said:
I've had two people in my life tell me they had read and prayed about it. One felt nothing. The other said he got a "no" answer.
I gave them both the 5-question quiz. They couldn't even answer a single question.
What's the 5-question quiz?
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1 hour ago, Vort said:
I actually married into a copy, an English translation that seeks to preserve many of Hitler's grammatical idiosyncrasies. I've never actually read it, but it's been on my list for years. My wife bought it for some class she took before we met, but I'm not sure how much of it she actually read. If and when I read it, I'll come back here and give a review.
I look forward to that. I remember reading The Communist Manifesto years ago. My take away was that it was very emotionally driven, not much actual logic.
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21 hours ago, mordorbund said:
I just finished Saints volume 1. The big takeaway I get from it is a bit meta. I'm reminded of a number of posters who come to this site and tell us how hard the Church has worked at hiding its history in the past (I'm sure that'll get covered in volume 4). This book has been out for a few months now, and the only ones I've heard talk about it are people that are already interested in Church history and read sources outside the Sunday School manual. So for now I'm sticking with the hypothesis that members of the Church don't know about "controversial" parts of Church history because members just don't care.
That's cool that you've finished it. Seems like I heard a lot of people talking about it when it first came out and saying how they are reading it. That seems to have died down in favor of President Nelson's challenge to read The Book of Mormon. Our stake president and ward Elder's Quorum president have issued that challenge to the men in our area, too. So perhaps many have set Saints aside as they plow through The Book of Mormon. I'm still plugging away at it. I'm on chapter 28.
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On 10/22/2018 at 10:34 AM, anatess2 said:
None.
As I've experienced with my then 13-year-old, being forced to read How To Kill A Mockingbird totally ruined the book for him. It wasn't until lately that he picked up the book on his own and appreciated it.
Well, actually... I'm gonna force everybody to read Divergent and Twilight so they will hate it as much as I do.
I read the first Divergent and thought it was okay, but pretty much had no desire to continue the series. Twilight holds no interest for me at all. I did read The Host. It was interesting...
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On 10/22/2018 at 9:53 AM, NeuroTypical said:
Well, 'force' is a bit strong for me. But I'm on record several places saying something like "When they make me Emperor of the restored church, everyone will have to read these before they can get baptized".
“Judge Not” and Judging by Elder Dallin H. Oaks, August 1999 Ensign
I figure if everyone just read those two things, the church would be at least 20% cooler.
I see what you did there, Rainbow Dash.
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On 10/21/2018 at 11:01 PM, Vort said:
I would force everyone in the world to read the collected works of Akkadian literature, starting with the myths and Hammurabi's Code.
In the original cuneiform.
This would provide no immediate benefit to anyone. But it would make everyone learn cuneiform, which would be kind of cool, and it would force people to get a basic understanding of an ancient Near Eastern culture that underlies a lot of our thinking today. And people would have to learn the difference between the Babylonian Empire and the Assyrian Empire, which always trips me up.
Not that those are the reasons I would do it. It's more like, if I get to make everyone read something, I'm sure as heck not going to settle for some book written in Europe or the Americas in the last few centuries. Nosiree Bob. If I have the Ultimate Power to make every person in the whole world read something, we're going to read something off the beaten path. Ancient Akkadian literature FTW!
Way to think outside the box, @Vort!
Ditching institute/YSA for family wards, bad idea?
in Young Single Adults, College and Institute
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I went to a YSA ward a couple times after high school graduation. I didn't really like it. I preferred the age variety of a family ward--learning from the experience of the older ladies in Relief Society as well as the bright, young testimonies of the primary-aged kids. I stayed in my family ward. No one ever pestered me about going to the YSA ward that i can recall. It didn't feel awkward to me, but I was a bit of an odd duck. I never gave much thought to what anyone else thought of my choice. I think family wards are very benefited when young single adults chose to stay. I had a calling as primary pianist.
I think it just depends on what you're looking for and where you do your best learning. I have lots of family and friends who love their YSA ward and benefit greatly from meeting and serving with people their own age.