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When I was a kid, my parents and I fought all the time about my hair- well actually about bangs! My hair was long, thick and fine. Each morning either one of my parents would braid my hair. Mom would divide my head into fourths, braid each section and then wrap them around my head. Dad would do a horse tail braid - or a french braid- after first doing a meticulous part down the middle, then braiding my hair. Each night, a half hour before Dad went off to work, he would painstakingly loosen my hair and brush it. Then braid it in a loose braid, cover the end with a square of flannel cloth and rubber band it. This way I didn't eat my hair or it get all tangled while I slept. We fought over bangs. Mom insisted I have bangs. I hated them - they made my forehead itch. I would get to school and take the school paste, glob it on my bangs then comb them into my hair. OFF my face!! In Jr high I was plagued with migraines - the Dr deduced it was the weight of my hair that was causing them. So off came my hair!! Didn't decrease the migraines one bit. But the damage was done. Mom loved my short hair - less time for me to get ready for school or anything. My older sisters loved it, now they had my hair to play with- putting it up in those stinking foam rollers and/or pin curls. I hated that. By the time I graduated from High School, my hair was to my shoulders and since I was working and had the money, I went every month to my school mates father to get it trimmed and thinned. Yep, in 1965 I went to a Male Beautician! What he did to my hair for graduation was beyond marvelous!! My 1st husband insisted that my hair be long. Since he paid for the beauticians - I went along. For years I had a 6 layer shag and it was permed. The only difference between my hair style and Farrah Fawcet's was mine was a delicious milk chocolate brown and there was none of that stupid *feathering* around the face. Oh and my hair was to the bottom of my shoulder blades. With the layering - I could get the 6 oz. juice can size curlers in AND with the aid of a portable hair dryer with the cap, could get it dry in an hour. I never *teased* aka back combed my hair either. I would hold a section up, spray it with hair spray and then let it rest on a curler to dry. The perms are what gave my hair its body. As I aged, my shoulders got more painful. To hold my arms up to work with this long hair nearly did me in. What at the age of 25 took me a maximum of 30 minutes to hot curl, comb out and style, now at the age of 36 took me two to three hours. I am now 62 - It hurts my right shoulder down to my elbow to do more than just brush my very short, thin and lifeless hair. At 50 I was at the worst of my menopausal hot flashes. Hot drenches is more like it. Sopping wet from the top of my head to my knees!! Black Cohosh is was tamed the boiling sweats. 5,000 MG a day. 2000 at breakfast and 3000 a half hour before bed. My hair is thin and lank. Every two months I get a perm. During the summer I get my hair cut short!! I can't do the undercut like Miley's - it is more like Helen's only shorter around the face and the sides are cut OFF the face - cut behind the ears. At age 16 I had grey hair at the nape of my neck, under all that delicious cocoa brown. So when I pulled my hair up into a bun or twist at the crown, that exposed the silvery grey at the nape. The first time the principle of the Jr High sent me home to wash it out of my hair. I just laughed at him. At age 32 I was coloring my hair - it was now a dingy, pewter grey all over. I would do an ash blonde, then my favorite was strawberry blonde. It never came out a solid color either. My grey hair was streaked to begin with, and it took the color in streaks too. Then when I divorced hubby #1, I had no money for hair dye or regular visits to the beauty shop. So I let the grey grow back. To my surprise and delight I now had soft, silvery grey. A combination of my Mom and her mother's hair. During the winter I let it grow in the back to just barely cover the nape- that little bit keeps my neck warm. I wouldn't touch the color - ever! It is perfect for my aged coloring. Father softens us as we age. He softens the body so we are at our cuddliest for the grand and and great grand babies. He softens our coloring - so we aren't garish and scary for those grand & great grand babies. Very few elder women look good with the bright colorful face makeup - or with the dark hair color of their childbearing years. It took me until I was 55 to truly understand the comment my Grandmother made when I was 22 - "One of the signs of a woman who is aging gracefully is that she is not chasing her youth." This she said about the woman who lived across the street from us. She dyed her hair black, wore red lipstick and too red of rouge on her cheeks and her eyebrows were way too pronounced. Perhaps putting in a 60 or 75 watt bulb where she applied makeup would have helped - or not. I am also at an age where I wear clothes that are comfortable rather than trendy. I really don't care about the colors as long as they don't clash or again are garish. I envy the over 70 women who wear the sparkly sequined and/or rhinestone fuschia or deep red or purple hats and or scarfs. Saw one lady at my favorite restaurant that had matching hat and shoes and the shoes were SNEAKERS!! They were fuschia sequins - I had to tell her how wonderful she looked!! Then she showed her ankle bracelet that her great granddaughter made her of bright fuschia beads and bangles. What a HOOT!! How fun!! These were birthday gifts from her *Girls* for her 90th birthday. She was the youngest 90 year old I had ever met!! When I was in Jr High, a young mother from church had long, long loose hair. She also had a newborn. Naturally the newborn wrapped her fingers in Mom's hair whenever she was near it. That baby girl lost two fingers due to that long hair. The blonde hair got wrapped around two of the baby's fingers and cut off the circulation. Gangrene set it and there was no other options but to amputate. Young mother cut her hair, boy short after that. In talking this incident over with my Mom and Grandma - they both said, that is one reason why pioneer women BRAIDED their hair and wore it wrapped up on their heads. I look at pictures of my Mom as a young mother, and sure enough her hair is braided and wrapped around her head. Then when she was pregnant with me, she cut it off, man short - she was living in Igloo SD and it was mostly 100-120 degrees in the shade - the year was 1952 long before air conditioners. I cringe when I see the young mothers in church with their babies twining mommy's long hair in their hands. I caution them to really check the babies fingers of hair. Suzie - at 30 (ish) you are still young enough to be able to tend to your long hair. Keep it clean, and eat healthy so your hair is healthy too. Nothing looks work than flat, dank, lack-luster hair - no matter what the age of the person!

If they are specifically asking you to bring the baby that's the perfect time to say, I'd love to but you know how toddlers are. Into everything. I'm worried about something in your home getting broken. That gives them the idea that perhaps they need to move anything that might be a concern. I certainly wouldn't say, Yes I'd like to come and bring her but you're going to have to put things away. It's their home. But there is a certain responsibility on both sides. Especially if they specifically asked you to bring your toddler along.

Personally, I think it depends on the health of your hair. Healthy long hair looks good at any age.

Haha, yeah. Thanks!

When my oldest son was a baby, we went to the house of a good friend who is Hindu. I cannot recall the name of the celebration but they had objects representing Hindu Gods all around the house. My son in a matter of seconds, ran towards one of the objects and broke it. My heart literally sank because I wasn't very familiar with how Hindus perceive these things. They were very understanding but I wanted to leave right away after that. It was hard.

It is true that it doesn't say she was divorced from them but I find interesting that when Jesus asked her to call her husband, she only answered what was asked of her (she didn't lie but at the same time, she clearly did not want to disclose the fact that she was living with someone that wasn't her husband. Also, I find interesting when she goes to the city and talks to the men there, she says: "Come, see a man, which told me all things that ever I did".

In my opinion, we have been blessed with certain faculties for a purpose which is to prayerfully study, analyze, dissect if necessary and come to our own conclusions after much analysis and prayer. It is a combination of both, study and faith. When we talk about Mormon intellectuals (generally speaking) we seem to assume that the persons in this group only believe what sciences such as Psychology, Sociology or Philosophy has to say about certain issues and they disregard completely the Scriptures. It is not so. Real intellectuals use a combination of both. The article is very generic. Overemphasizing the importance of personal revelation? One can say that those against Mormon Intellectualism overemphasize that once a General Authority has spoken, the discussion is over and we shouldn't question at all their words. Overemphasizing the importance of "Thus said the Lord"? One can say that those against Mormon Intellectualism overemphasize that once a General Authority has spoken, he speaks for the Lord. Overemphasizing the importance of Church history? One can say that those against Mormon Intellectualism overemphasize that when you are studying certain topics about Church history, you are given a warning that you are in the road towards Apostasy because of course, you cannot be a good member in good standing and study the good and the ugly in Church history. The best part is when you discuss a certain topic in Church history and you are given raised eyebrows and suspicious looks and someone asks: Have you been reading Anti-Mormon literature? Overemphasizing the fallibility of Prophets? One can say that reminding ourselves the responsibility to pray and seek confirmation from the Holy Spirit after hearing the words of the Prophet it is vital to our eternal/spiritual journey. In conclusion, I believe we can achieve a balance in both. One OR the other isn't a solution. One OR the other does not demonstrate "greater" faith or "greater" understanding. We aren't a cult, we are Christ's Church.

I might just add this one thing: Welcome to the world of motherhood.

When my friends want to see baby-girl, I suggest we meet at the local park or other place where baby can't destroy things.

While you're at it, see: Mosiah 5:52 Corinthians 2:9D&C 105:3Genisis 6:22Matthew 7:21D&C 130:21 and, of course, Abraham 3:25 Plus a myriad of others.

Is Christ a "slothful and not a wise servant"? See John 8:28

I believe the word you are looking for is forbidded. If he "forbidded" Adam and Eve...

Gives new meaning to the hymn if you could Hie to Kolob in the twinkling of an eye. :)

As long as your wife isn't sticking out her tongue all of the time, she's okay.

I find nothing to disagree with in Traveler's words. As for intellectualism, King Solomon pursued in rigoriously. His conclusion is that the purpose of humanity is to love God and keep his commands. That's some profundly intellectual truth right there.

Whenever someone tries to give me advice about how to view my religion and uses the language of sociology and philosophy instead of the scriptures, my red flags start to go up. The philosophies of man are many and variegated, and the only way to successfully navigate through them is by using the gift of personal revelation. Hopefully, that statement doesn't count as overemphasizing personal revelation.

It's sort of funny if you think about it. One of those gospel paradoxes. We are commanded to not be commanded in all things. As to your point. The logic is askew. The idea that God does not command us in all things does not alleviate our responsibility to obey in all things. The scripture you quote is really more about the details. At the broadest level, God has commanded in that which we must do. But He does not detail out how. For example. Serve. But how? Make cookies. Work in someone's yard? Read to them. Babysit? The details are left to us in most cases. But the principle is commanded, and we should obey. And by obedience we gain salvation. I mean, really, if there is something we are supposed to do that God has not commanded us, what is is? Anything you come up with would fit within His commands. Love God. Love your neighbor. Have faith. Keep the commandments and ordinances. Serve. Worship. Teach. Etc., etc...

I'm of the opinion that by the time a woman is about 45ish or older, shorter hair looks better. It's also more convenient, especially when those "hot flashes" make their appearance. M.

Probably because at that point they don't have time to take care of long hair. :)

I am always grateful for your input. I think it is important to realize that the Holy Ghost will never give witness that G-d is unjust. If we think G-d to be unjust or if it appears that G-d is unjust it is only because we are not in tune with the spirit.

I'm trying to talk Palerider and Mrs. Palerider in coming up and being our tour guide when classylady and I go there in a couple of years.

We are given to know in the gospel that a spiritual fall and mortal experience was necessary for the plan of salvation. Only those that were willing to experience a physical mortal experience and a spiritual fall being exiled from the presents of G-d the Father and his society of heaven could someday experience the glory of resurrection and exaltation. The fall was and is one of the 3 greatest blessings made available to man.

We're really back to the same debate we've had before. We don't entirely agree. I do not believe mankind is equipped to interpret God's justice. So we obey. Yes, God cannot be just. But that doesn't mean He never does things that WE think are unjust. The scriptures and doctrines are full of examples of this. God does things that seem unjust to man all the time. And man, being foolish, therefore ignores God, relegates something He did or said to unimportant, or turns away from Him accordingly. But, like I said, we don't really entirely disagree.

Well... certainly wasn't expecting this turn in the conversation.

Doing a U-turn back onto topic, I honestly can't imagine men being attracted to some of the stuff I noticed at Wal-Mart today. Shirts too high showing muffin tops and pants so low-cut that caboose "cleavage" shows when bending over. ACK!! And shorts so short that just an itty bit of cheek hangs out with every step. Also another gal with shorts so short and a shirt hanging down low enough to cover them completely. I had to hold myself back from taking her aside to tell her she forgot to put on pants before leaving home. C'mon ladies! Grow some self respect!

As long as they beat the Stinking Patriots it's all good. Lol

I disagree with him not recommending it. He did recommend it when He presented the plan to us in the war in Heaven. He told us that we should come to this world, be separated from Him, receive a body and be tested here. To say that He couldn't recommend it is, I think, incorrect. We all chose His plan which included that step. This might be semantics, but I think He had to allow man to act on his own to bring this about. I liken it to when a young adult is ready to leave the house of her parents. The parents, being good parents, are not going to push the kid out of the house but at the same time might say 'if you are going to stay here then I forbid you to be out past 11 pm'. There are certain rules the parents can state if the young adult is to stay with the parents. Now, if she wants to leave and be on her own, fine, then she will have to really be on her own and be cut off from everything she enjoyed while with her parents. By doing it this way, the forward moving step of maturing is done by the person and therefore the reward for such a choice is truly theirs. This is also why this act is not really a choice with punishment but a choice with restrictions and conditions. We all agreed to live in a restricted and specific conditions related to mortality which are forbidden in a Celestial environment and this was all in accordance to God's recommended plan.

Confucius say: “Woman without principle generate lots of interest”

Dahlia, while I was looking for another quote I came across these two quotes within my notes (particularly second quote):

Amen Iggy, and amen Prisonchaplain. To paraphrase C.S. Lewis, the Saviors way is difficult, he wants us to give him everything. He does not want a part of "our" time and "our" money, he wants it all. And when we give are all we will get his all, who is the greatest of all. While his way is difficult our way is impossible. We want to give up those things that are bad but at the end of the day are still hoping that our natural man will still have some time to do what it wants. When we are neither hot nor cold we find the christian way very difficult. We end up very unhappy indeed because we begrudge giving up every moment of ourselves. However, what we can't do, what we must not do, is to work harder but still try to cling to the self. Instead, we have to humble ourselves before the Lord, acknowledge that we cannot do it and ask for a new heart. Ask, ask, ask. When our heart is broken and we our sincere we will find that we want to follow him. We have been changed! The natural man is still there but he has much less sway over our hearts. Then the living water infuses out life and we can drink deeply. I am so satisfied with this gospel life. I feel like I want to give my joy to everyone. The waves foll and the thunder peals but deep down the spirit of the Lord is supporting me. What of the waves? What of the thunder? Let them rage on if they will, I have something much more firm, and more abiding, the rock of our Redeemer. He will lift me up at the last day and all this will seem as but a moment. This is what the gospel offers. If you have not found it then you are still on the outside, even if you have been a member your whole life! (This sounds sort of preachy, but it's the truth. How can I say otherwise?)

To me this boils down to the underlying feminist message of something akin to. I can wear whatever I what and do whatever I want and if you have issues with it it is your problem. Men are generally more visually oriented, while women are more emotionally oriented. It is why in general men have issues with pornography and women have issues with "romance novels". We are responsible to some degree with how our actions influence and affect others. Group psychology is very interesting, sometimes all it takes is one person in a group to influence for good or evil the rest of the individuals. To teach a child otherwise is to ignore social mores and is an extremely self-centered un-Christlike attitude. When I drive my car into sketchy neighborhoods, I make darn sure I have a clean car, i.e. no laptops, CDs, valuables, etc. are visible, it is a plain 'ol boring car. I do not want my car to become interesting for some would-be thief. Now if I had a laptop on the dash and someone stole it, it would be ludicrous to claim that I caused them to do it. However, do I bare some responsibility . . . you better believe it; I'll think to myself (dang it) I should have put it away so it wouldn't have been a temptation for someone and so they would have moved on. Sometimes, even if you have a clean car it still gets broken into . . .the idea is to lower the risk. A female and in a sketchy part of town, wearing a low-cut dress, mini-skirt etc, is doing herself no favors in presenting a low target of opportunity. I personally think these ultra-feminists are really doing women a disservice by not recognizing the actual reality of the situation, rather they want to make the world to conform to their perceived reality. All I can say is . . . good luck! So yes both men and women have responsibilities, it is shared. Women certainly should not be dressed provocatively and men shouldn't be thinking certain thoughts.