A Prediction - Probably very unpopular on these forums

[JohnsonJones]

I am currently still away and have not gotten home yet. I’m typing this because I felt strongly I should, and so I am on a satellite internet connecting to the forums.

 

I’ve had recent experiences in researching what some may consider great men in history, but I have come to the realization that many of them were very evil men and in fact were, of themselves, antichrist.

 

None of them are the antichrist prophesied in Revelations, but they are antichrist, and as such are an antichrist. That these men are actively disobeying the commandments is no mystery, and that they are flagrant in how they think they can get away with doing evil is obvious.

 

Even knowing the evil that they men do, and what they represent, people still support them.

 

WHY?

 

This is the thing that I’ve been reading in my scriptures and pondering about.

 

Recently in Come Follow Me (yes, I still read and study, even when not at home) there was the subject of another Anti-Christ.

 

Why did anyone follow him?

 

In that same light, something came to me as I pondered on this that will be very unpopular in these forums I think.

 

Donald Trump is either THE Antichrist or is an Antichrist. He fits the mold. He fits the same things that others from history have.

 

Why does this matter to me?

 

Well, if he is THE Antichrist, then him winning the election is much more likely. He had to have (died) been seemingly vanquished and beaten to be able to (rise from the dead) be able to rise again.

 

I have seen recently how deep inroads Russia has had with nations in the Middle East. They have claws deep into Iran right now, along with others in Syria, and basically are proliferate around the fMiddle East. They, along with China are itching to exercise that power are basically right now, are only held in check due to fear of what the US will do.

 

I expect that if Trump is THE Antichrist (rather than just an AntiChrist) he will withdraw support from Ukraine. With the US out of the picture Russia will be able to resolve what it wants in Ukraine and be able to refocus it’s efforts elsewhere. Either in competition with China, or in conjunction, there will be race for power in the Middle East. If Trump withdraws from NATO, that gives Russia an even easier way to focus on the Middle East without worry about NATO.

 

If this happens, they will try to eliminate the only other power in the Middle East that really could threaten their hold there, which is Israel. I expect Hamas (also connected to Russia AND Iran, though you may not hear such things in the US currently) will be a distraction of what is to become the REAL even, and with the US out of NATO and not supporting Ukraine, I expect not much support will go towards Israel either. It will stand alone, and it will be under siege, possibly within the next few years to a decade out.

 

For this to happen, the Antichrist has to come to power and be able to do such things so that prophecy can happen.

 

But, even if he is NOT THE antichrist, Trump is still an antichrist. In the scriptures it says, even the most elect shall be deceived. When we read about the antichrist in past decades we always wondered how the elect could be deceived by one who probably would be so obviously evil. Well, even if he is not THE ANTICHRIST...he is an antichrist and seeing how those who claim to be christian fawn over him...I think we can see our obvious answer of how this would occur.

 

Even if not THE Antichrist, as an antichrist he still has a master working for him to give him power in this earthly existence. The power and influence of the adversary is tremendous at this time, and he influences all corners of political, national, and international thought. A great many in our nation and worldwide are greatly influenced to do as he wants, and because of this, we live in a dark time. In this time of great wickedness many evil and wicked men will come to power, and the closer we get to the Second coming the more of them that will gain power to be able to spread the wickedness and horror of their master who they surely serve. The closer we get to the Lord’s coming, the greater amount of those Leaders who do the exact opposite of our commandments and the teachings of the Lord will come to power to rule and reign over us. Great afflictions, pestilence, and terror will come with that as the Earth groans under the wickedness of men.

 

So, this is the prediction of things to come (and I know there are many who will disagree with what I’ve written here, and we can hope that I am wrong, as these are scary things I have written out) brought on by my reflection on recent readings in the Book of Mormon and things I have been finding over the summer.

 

Not a fun picture, but I felt I should write a word of warning of what my thoughts have come upon, if they are in the slightest true at all.

 

BUT also, a word of comfort I suppose, for if he IS THE Antichrist who is prophesied, then we KNOW he has to have the power to do the things foretold. We KNOW he has to be able to do these things so that Prophecy can be fulfilled.

 

How is this comforting, because it IS prophesied of and that if the Revelations are true, and these things have to come to pass, then we know that the Lord is coming soon and with him the Millennial reign. That we are close, close enough that within just a few years what has been waited upon for thousands of years may finally occur.

 

I expect I may be dead within the next 5 to 6 years if that is the case (personal revelations I’ve gotten from my patriarchal blessing and otherwise regarding what could happen to me), but the fact that the Second Coming may be so close is actually a great comfort.

 

We know terrible things have to happen before it occurs (the Siege of Israel and Jerusalem, the death of two prophets in the streets, the things we see know of evil being called good and good being called evil, Wars and rumors of wars being spread through the earth, the uneasiness and tumult of the earth itself), but they have to happen.

 

It is dark before dawn, but when it is dark, we know dawn is coming.

 

I hope you all are well, as you can tell, it’s been an interesting summer for me thus far. Hope to come back home soon.

 

PS:  This is not an endorsement of any candidate or any politician.  I have been very concerned over the US elections coming in November, and this was an answer I have gotten.  I do not know if Trump will win or not, but if he IS THE ANTICHRIST he will need to attain power again in some form or fashion.  However, in the same way, I  have learned not to fret about the election as much as what happens is all in progressing the Lord's plan in the end.  No matter what political end of the spectrum you feel you support, right now evil men fill every end of it with wicked plans and secret organizations.  All of this is known to the Lord and is necessary for him to allow that the revelations and prophecies about our time are fulfilled. I find comfort in this as the LORD knows what is conspiring in the hearts of man and in the end, all things are known and planned for in his great plan for us and our world. 

[LDSGator]

6 hours ago, JohnsonJones said:

Donald Trump is either THE Antichrist or is an Antichrist. He fits the mold. He fits the same things that others from history have.

With all due respect, if I had a dollar for every time I heard someone say that their least favorite politician is the “anti christ” I could buy the New York Yankees.   

And I can’t stand him, so you can’t use the “You are a fan of his! Of course you don’t see it!” argument. 

Edited July 23, 2024 by LDSGator

[LDSGator]

Btw, the real AntiChrist, who I absolutely believe exists, laughs his tail off when he sees people claim this or that politician/actor/etc is the antichrist.  

[NeuroTypical]

8 hours ago, JohnsonJones said:

I have come to the realization that many of them were very evil men

Neither you, nor any other human, has the tools necessary to judge a person's heart.  It's only given to us to judge actions.   I mean, to the extent that you can spot an antichrist by their behavior, then whatever.  But you exercise unrighteous judgment when you reach conclusions about the state of someone's heart or soul or motivations.

Lots of folks might agree with your reasoning, but Elder Oaks has a beatdown for you:

https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/ensign/1999/08/judge-not-and-judging?lang=eng

Edited July 23, 2024 by NeuroTypical

[mikbone]

7 hours ago, JohnsonJones said:

Well, if he is THE Antichrist

I saw this the other day on the internets

If M = 600, A = 30, and G = 6, then

M+A+G+A=666.

I couldn’t make any sense of it but maybe you can.

I’ll send it to my mother as she is a bit kooky, loves Trump, and is quite the conspiracy theorists.

[NeuroTypical]

Also, Biden is already not alive.  You can tell because when we heard his voice, it was a recording.  Kamala even almost messed up and called it a recording.   You can tellllll!!!!!

[LDSGator]

It’s going to be unpopular here @JohnsonJones, but not for the reasons you think. Few of the regular posters here are MAGA types, and even those who politically support him probably disapprove of Trumps behavior and nasty personality. 

[Carborendum]

18 minutes ago, NeuroTypical said:

Also, Biden is already not alive.  You can tell because when we heard his voice, it was a recording.

If you play it backwards it says, "Brandon's dead, man."

[zil2]

21 minutes ago, mikbone said:

If M = 600, A = 30, and G = 6, then

M+A+G+A=666.

I couldn’t make any sense of it but maybe you can.

Only, in what numbering system is M equal to 600?  In Roman, M is 1000.  So that's out.  It can't be Hebrew: A=1, G=3, M=40.  If it's just someone's made up nonsense then any old idiot can make up a rule that X = Y, thereby making the whole thing meaningless.

[mikbone]

37 minutes ago, zil2 said:

Only, in what numbering system is M equal to 600?  In Roman, M is 1000.  So that's out.  It can't be Hebrew: A=1, G=3, M=40.  If it's just someone's made up nonsense then any old idiot can make up a rule that X = Y, thereby making the whole thing meaningless.

Yeah, I ran it through ChatGPT trying Roman, Hexadecimal, Gematria, combinations…

Couldn’t logically get there.

Dude, Trump must be super sneaky.  😈 

Edited July 23, 2024 by mikbone

[Carborendum]

38 minutes ago, zil2 said:

Only, in what numbering system is M equal to 600?  In Roman, M is 1000.  So that's out.  It can't be Hebrew: A=1, G=3, M=40.  If it's just someone's made up nonsense then any old idiot can make up a rule that X = Y, thereby making the whole thing meaningless.

I just tried Korean.  The best I could get was 409.  

 

[Carborendum]

Whoa!!! Fox News is the anti-christ.

F = 6; O = 60; X = 600

Something to think about... 😈

[Ironhold]

"I am an anarchist. I am an anti-Christ" - The Sex Pistols, "Anarchy In The UK"

Yeah, even in the 1970s the whole "anti-Christ" bit was so overblown that it was subject to parody and ego trips. 

Rather than get distracted by this, I think it's best if we focused on developing ourselves as members of the church and then helping to strengthen others. 

 

[zil2]

2 hours ago, mikbone said:

combinations

Ah, but did you try secret combinations?

[Vort]

On 7/23/2024 at 9:06 AM, mikbone said:

I saw this the other day on the internets

If M = 600, A = 30, and G = 6, then

M+A+G+A=666.

I couldn’t make any sense of it but maybe you can.

I’ll send it to my mother as she is a bit kooky, loves Trump, and is quite the conspiracy theorists.

21 hours ago, zil2 said:

Ah, but did you try secret combinations?

What's wrong with you people?! It's all so obvious, hiding in plain sight.

Take all the consonants in Kamala Harris' name and assign them the value corresponding to their position in the English alphabet:

K = 11
M = 13
L = 12
H = 8
Rx2 = 36

Sum those, and then multiply by a false Holy Trinity, one that purports to be double in importance (3x2):

11 + 13 + 12 + 8 + 36 + 19 = 99
99 x 6 = 594

Now for those wicked vowels, each of which is assigned the value of the imaginary (evil) trinity, 3i, for

kAmAlA hArrIs: AAAA I

Just square that false "I" at the end and do the arithmetic:

(3i)(3i)(3i)(3i) + (3i)² =(-9)(-9) + (-9) = 81 - 9 = 72

So what do we have?

594 + 72 = ... uh, oh ...

It's simple math.

[mikbone]

24 minutes ago, Vort said:

Take all the consonants in Kamala Harris' name

Close, missing the mark in the hand or head.  And it’s the number of a man.

Or are you implying something more?

I love conspiracies.  Keep going…

I’m with you bro.

Edited July 24, 2024 by mikbone

[NeuroTypical]

49 minutes ago, Vort said:

It's simple math.

btw, I loved you in that one movie!

 

[zil2]

39 minutes ago, mikbone said:

And it’s the number of a man.

Are you trying to assign gender to Kamala Harris?  Cuz that's just so wrong!

[Jamie123]

A common theory is that 666 is an encrypted reference to the Roman emperor Nero. And we know what yer man Tacitus said about his persecution of the Christians:

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Nero fastened the guilt [for the burning of Rome] and inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judæa, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome, where all things hideous and shameful from every part of the world find their centre and become popular. Accordingly, an arrest was first made of all who pleaded guilty; then, upon their information, an immense multitude was convicted, not so much of the crime of firing the city, as of hatred against mankind*.

The name "Nero Caesar", transliterated into Hebrew is something like "Nron Qsrn" which when interpreted as a number (so I've read at least - I know nothing of Hebrew numerology) comes to 666. It was a way of refering to the emperor without arousing suspicion.

*I have somewhere a Penguin Classics edition of Tacitus' Annals, which has a footnote here saying the original Latin "odio humani generis" could equally be read as "because the human race detested them". Doesn't that make you think of Matthew 10:22 - "All men will hate you because of me"?

Edited July 24, 2024 by Jamie123

[mordorbund]

Don’t the scriptures say it’s a bad idea to have women govern?

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Nevertheless, if it were possible that ye could always have just men to be your kings it would be well for you to have a king.

 

[Carborendum]

 

On 7/24/2024 at 2:31 PM, Jamie123 said:

A common theory is that 666 is an encrypted reference to the Roman emperor Nero. And we know what yer man Tacitus said about his persecution of the Christians:

This is more than theory.  We know that at least the early saints believed it -- see my gematriot commentary below.

On 7/24/2024 at 2:31 PM, Jamie123 said:

The name "Nero Caesar", transliterated into Hebrew is something like "Nron Qsrn" which when interpreted as a number (so I've read at least - I know nothing of Hebrew numerology) comes to 666. It was a way of refering to the emperor without arousing suspicion.

*I have somewhere a Penguin Classics edition of Tacitus' Annals, which has a footnote here saying the original Latin "odio humani generis" could equally be read as "because the human race detested them". Doesn't that make you think of Matthew 10:22 - "All men will hate you because of me"?

The Hebrew and Greek both require the "n" at the end "Neron".  The Latin omits it.  It is a linguistic quirk that is analogous to the use of an "o" at the end of Roberto in Spanish.  But in English, we omit the "o".

Therefore, the Greek and Hebrew versions of Revelation say the number of the beast is 666 (both languages render the name with a gematria value of 666).  But the Latin version, we omit the "n" (which equals 50).  The Latin Vulgate Revelation says the number of the beast is 616. (please see correction in a later post in this thread).

I believe that John was telling us that the name of the Beast in the latter-days doesn't matter.  Nero was not the Beast.  He was the type and shadow of the Beast. 

We're supposed to look at what Nero did and how he treated Christians.  Then we look for someone doing the same thing to Christians today.  Whosoever does that to Christians is the Beast of the latter-days.

Edited July 26, 2024 by Carborendum

[LDSGator]

I’m curious @JohnsonJones-who did you think would be bothered by this thread? A reason I like this forum (and there are many reasons why I like being here) is that the conservatives are sensible, polite, decent, and not MAGA kool aid drinkers.
 

It’s a little insulting to them that you think they’d be appalled at your suggestion that Trump is the AntiChirst. You either misread them completely or you are projecting your own feelings and how you’d expect them to respond instead of who they are.
 

And again, I can’t stand Trump. This isn’t one of his fans coming to his rescue.  

Edited July 25, 2024 by LDSGator

[Traveler]

I cannot ever figure out who will win a football game without my personal bias messing it up.  But I would disagree with a couple of conclusions drawn by @JohnsonJones .  Though I agree that there are a lot of historical great men that worked to hinder Zion – I also believe that many (all?) of histories “Bad Guys” had good sides.  No one is pure evil or pure good – the exception is Christ being pure good, but he was very different than the rest of us.

As for Trump?  I can say I have a problem with his demeanor and presentation.  That is obviously the evil that is in him.  But his projects and agendas?  Just taking the Abraham Accord – That was amazing, and I cannot think of a single reason to oppose it, discontinue it or even critize it.  It bothers me no one is talking about that and that the democrats hate Trump so much that they are shutting it down???  The border?  Trump was the first president in I do not know how long that took the power from the cartels from operating movements at the border – both directions.

Trump could be Anti-Christ, but I think other life long professional politicians fit the description better.

 

The Traveler

[The Folk Prophet]

On 7/23/2024 at 2:13 AM, JohnsonJones said:

Donald Trump is either THE Antichrist or is an Antichrist. He fits the mold.

How does one make this equation?

I mean I assume when you speak of "THE Antichrist" you're meaning the 2nd beast mentioned in Revelations 13? Let's look at that:

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11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,

14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

I gotta ask.... how does Trump "fit the mold" of this? I mean unless one wants to claim that Trump performed a miracle by getting shot in the ear... which, granted, I've seen a lot of commentary that it was by providence.... but not that Trump performed it somehow. Either way...it's not exactly making fire come down from heaven in the sight of men.

Or are you speaking of literal references to "Antichrist" in 1 John 2:18,22:

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18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

...

22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

Has Trump denied Jesus or the Father and the Son?

Or 1 John 4:3:

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3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

...and...

2 John 1:7

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7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

Once again... has Trump done these things?

I'm not making a pro Trump point here. But "the", or even "an" Antichrist is a pretty ridiculous assertion.

I mean, here's some Trump quotes:

“People are so shocked when they find … out I am Protestant. I am Presbyterian. And I go to church and I love God and I love my church,”

“Though I was confirmed at a Presbyterian church as a child, I now consider myself to be a non-denominational Christian,” 

"Melania and I have gotten to visit some amazing churches and meet with great faith leaders from around the world. During the unprecedented COVID-19 outbreak, I tuned into several virtual church services and know that millions of Americans did the same.”

And, lest we forget:

I mean, sure...it was a bit for show...and the cynics, obviously, consider it ALL for show. But to call it "anti" or him THE Antichrist?

Once again.... how does he "fit the mold"?

I mean people who have Trump Derangement Syndrome are going to have Trump Derangement Syndrome. So I don't expect any convincing to be done here either way. But this kind of thought is legitimately laughable. Calling Trump "the antichrist" is as laughable as calling Trump "the savior".

[mikbone]

47 minutes ago, The Folk Prophet said:

Trump Derangement Syndrome.

Is this a new diagnosis in the DSM-V?

Wouldn’t surprise me…

 

Nope, just checked.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/talking-about-men/201901/is-trump-derangement-syndrome-real-mental-condition?amp

Edited July 25, 2024 by mikbone