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I am sure many of you have seen all these "be like bill" memes that are now flooding Internet and facebook. Today when i came home from church i made my own version. What do you think? :) Feel free to use it and spread it if you want. And for those of you who are not familiar with "be like Bill" you can read here: http://www.boredpanda.com/be-like-bill-funny-meme-comic/

Family life can be an incredibly nuanced thing, and I can easily imagine a family counselor trying to contextualize pretty much all of LDS teachings the OP mentions in a way that I, as a Mormon, would find particularly problematic if a) I were unable or unwilling to pick up on the nuance, or b) I expected to be able to use those LDS teachings as a bludgeon to get my wife to do "her job". I'm reading between the lines here and perhaps making an unwarranted/uncharitable assumption, but . . . It sounds to me like you wanted someone to fix your wife, not your marriage. Family counseling isn't primarily about who's right and who's wrong. That's what divorce court is for. And if you spend most of your counseling sessions debating theology with the therapist . . . you're doing it wrong.

I have to admit, as I read your post, I am getting conflicting mental images here. Are you the guy demanding clean and orderly from your wife, or are you the guy having a problem with your wife because she tells you you're not clean and orderly enough? (If neither mental image is correct here, please share with who you are.) "President David O. McKay’s teaching that “No success can compensate for failure in the home...” is not scripture given by a modern day prophet." I don't know what to make of that. It's true that not everything which proceedeth out of the mouth of a prophet, is scriptural prophecy. I happen to agree with the teaching, but no, I don't think it's a scriptural statement. And it makes me wonder about the context of the discussion you were having with the counselor where they'd claim something like that. "Covenants made in the temple do not dictate responsibilities of the parents in the home. A parent’s “season” of their life is not determined first and foremost by the needs of the family and household." Yeah, I'm with LiterateParakeet here. These quotes just beg to hear the other side of the story. Just not enough info to comment. "Self-medicating with things that are not drugs / alcohol / pornography is an acceptable coping mechanism because everyone does it." Well, you can't really call it "self-medicating" if medication isn't involved, right? Sounds like a charged term that doesn't belong. What's the difference between what you're taking issue with, and a coping mechanism or a habit? "Cleanliness and order in the home is a matter of personal preference, not a duty or obligation" I pretty much agree with this statement. I'm wondering if you'll share more about why you feel it's so totally in opposition to mainstream doctrines of the church, that you hold it forth wondering if you should contact the person's supervisor. I'd like to hear more about your situation.

I'll be watching the funeral on tv. I'm glad they are broadcasting it. Then I'm going to find myself a spot along the frontage road of the freeway so I can watch the procession go by as it heads to the cemetery.

Yeah scriptural roundtable is back on YouTube. Broadcast 149 on 1 Nephi 16-20, or so is particularly good. Archeological evidence for the Book of Mormon! Broadcast 151 has just been posted!!!

Answers to you question... (In an much as we have them can be found here) http://lds.net/forums/topic/58641-ldsnet-software-update/ Since this thread is a duplication of the main thread I will close it

http://lds.net/forums/topic/58641-ldsnet-software-update/ All explained here ^.

If the OP is, indeed, suggesting that he complained to a counselor that his wife was failing in the home by not keeping it clean...that is ridiculous...but the proper answer from the counselor, either way, should not be to blow off what is very clearly a church teaching,as ignorable, but rather to plainly explain that what is meant by that teaching has nothing to do with sweeping and moping more often, but with the work and the glory of God, which is the salvation of souls. Don't get me wrong. If the OP is really trying to bully his wife into being a better housewife per his views and using twisted LDS concepts to do so through counselling...shame shame. I'm just addressing the thoughts as presented, as I read them...(or, sometimes, misread them.)

Sure; but I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that that wasn't really the point the counselor was trying to make. Any counselor worth his salt is going to spend more time asking the husband why he would dare to suggest aloud, to a third party, that his wife is a "failure in the home".

The first thing to come to my mind is food... aka comfort eating..

Also, I think there is a difference between nuanced interpretation of a common LDS teaching and a claim that a common LDS teachings should be disregarded. Once again, I may be misreading the OP, but to claim that a prophet's teaching is not scriptural seems to be implying that we have the right to ignore it entirely because it was just his opinion. It would strike me as decidedly more appropriate to explain the meaning of the words "failure in the home" than to simply imply that it doesn't count.

I can tell something happened. The header is gone and the bar with "view new content" stays at the top and interferes with the post.

Being clean and orderly is a commandment of God. D&C 108: 8 Organize yourselves; prepare every needful thing, and establish a house, even a house of prayer, a house of fasting, a house of faith, a house of learning, a house of glory, a house of order, a house of God; The challenge comes at what level is clean and order, my definition and your definition of clean might be completely different.

Ahh... that could be... My understanding was that mentioned that she had heard the chewed bubble gum analogy (did not claim from where) but then credited the Teaching of her Parents and the Church for understanding that it was simply not true. Alot of press when into her having "heard" about the Chewed Gum analogy and nothing about her Crediting the Church with help in debunking it. Of course that was a while ago and things can change, I was hoping this wasn't one of them.

Lets look at it another way... Lets say a person was in a car accident... it was horrible and painful an they end up in traction for 8 months. As part of their healing there is most definitively a time and a place for assurances and reminders that it was not their fault. That the blame lies with the other person thoughtlessness, distraction, and or malice, That is definitively a necessary part of healing. But there is a second part to healing... One that usually comes much later it comes when a person needs to reclaim their life and get "back on the road" instead of sitting on the side lines. When that time comes the message of "there was nothing you could have done" goes from helpful and healing to rendering a person powerless. Why would anyone in their right mind even try fully heal by resuming life unless they felt they could have some measure of control? Why would they try if they felt that they were totally at the mercy of someone else thoughtlessness, distraction, and or malice? In driving it is called defensive driving. It is not legally required, but it teaches an individual to do more then just follow the rules of the road. It is paying attention to what the other people on the road are doing, and asking them selves if the other person doesn't follow the rules, "what can I do to not be in their path of destruction?" This is so important and so vital of a life skill to have and to use that it is not limited to just driving. Its so important that we want to teach it before people get involved in "horrible accident" in the hopes of preventing it. This is a good and wise idea... but it is not always possible nor does it always work. But it is a falsehood to equate trying to teach someone to be actively engaged in protecting themselves, to saying that they are responsible for someone else's thoughtlessness, distraction, and or malice if they don't.

I think today's "Frazz" should be mandatory reading for the overly sensitive.

No one asks for, or deserves to be violated. It doesn't matter what a person wears, what their history is--- if they say no, it is not something that should be taken. Victims are not to be blamed----ever. It all comes down to being the fault of BAD people. Bad people who cannot control THEIR impulses, bad people who steal, victimize, hurt others etc.... for selfish gain and pleasures. Having a shopping bag in a car does not mean it is the owner's fault that someone else with no moral compass or respect for others broke into their car and stole from them. The way you are rationalizing/ looking at things is essentially saying its someone's fault for "inviting" it, like they should have known better-----instead of understanding that the bad person never should have seen it as invitation, or something to steal, take, or violate.... in the first place. Most people who walk by a car and see a laptop on the backseat do not look at it as an invitation to take it....... it is only bad, selfish people who would see it as something they can steal. Heck, most of us.... even if we find a lost wallet or purse.....do what we can to return it, let alone actively set-out to steal from others. All of this also applies to sexual assault. Just because a woman is by herself somewhere, or showing some skin.... does not mean it is an invitation to be raped. It does not make it her fault. It is still, and always, the fault of the perpetrator who thinks it is pleasurable to steal/ take, force, hurt etc... against someone's will. A woman walking home at night is not to blame, she is not "asking for it." Sorry, but it is just so backwards to suggest a victim is at all to blame for the lack of control, lack of moral compass, and the desire to harm..... that bad people have. " Well its your fault you got the attention of a bad person".....instead of...."that bad person never should have been bad to begin with, or taken something without permission." When a store is stolen from, do we say, " Well, it is their fault for stocking things people would want to steal"?? That is essentially what is being said here when an assault victim is in any way blamed for the crime. Can we try to take precautions to not catch attention? Yes, but even so, it is still never someone's fault (precautions or no) for someone else being "bad" and stealing from, or hurting others against their will. It is not a victim's fault that bad people exist. I was 14, shy, and had never even kissed a boy. I was wearing a skirt, yes.... but it was a modest swing skirt that was several inches below my knees ( it was not tight). I had on a top that revealed nothing but my wrists and hands. I was wearing ked sneakers. I was in that room because I wanted to be away from the older boys downstairs who made me uncomfortable----and I was only there in the first place because I was visiting a childhood friend for the weekend who took me there to " say hi" to someone, and I had no previous knowledge of what, or who that entailed. So, is it my fault that I wore a skirt ( be it a modest one)----did that invite it because it made it easier? Is it my fault because I was much smaller than the young man, so that invited it because it meant I was limited in ability to fight back? Is it my fault because my hair was long enough to grip----and thus was an invitation for him to use it to ensnare me? Of course not. Bad people will hurt, steal, assault..... regardless. The reason I am vocal about this....is because this very mindset creates torment for victims. It is horrific enough for a person to experience an assault, let alone to be tortured with thinking it was some how their fault...... or to encounter people who even wrongfully tell them that, and treat them as if they were bad, or stupid, or had it coming in some kind of way. It forces people to endure abuse in silence, and live with the weight of blame and shame that is not even theirs...... it causes people to feel ashamed for wrong they did not do, but rather had inflicted on them. It further hurts, and victimizes people. My mother blamed me when things came out about my stepfather when I was 9. She had known the whole time, and not cared.... she just was mad it was discovered, and that it meant she had to leave the situation to save face......and she was afraid I would tell others about her part in things. So she shamed me into silence---she told me people would see me as bad, dirty....that no one would play with, or talk to me, that if people knew, they would see how bad and stupid that I was. She even trained me to not say anything in the group counseling session the court put me in. I thought it was my fault.... that I was dirty, unlovable, unworthy. When I was assaulted at 14, instead of having the support of parents, and receiving the medical care I very much had been in the need of..... I kept silent, because I knew I would have been blamed, and that it would have been thrown at me over and over as an example of how stupid I was. No one should ever feel that way when they have been victimized. No one should be blamed. People should be supported, and told over and over that it was not their fault, that they should not feel ashamed.... that they are loved, and are still a good person of worth.

Hi Everyone! Hope you are all well, just wanted to let you all know that I have set a date for my Baptism in May, Its a while off yet as I am having a baby in March. I am very happy and excited about it and have no doubts that I am doing the right thing. Thanks to everyone for answering my questions on here :)

Hardly. The point is that anyone can. Not that anyone will.

I'm curious as to why you don't believe it?Have you observed anything inside or outside the Church that leads you to believe otherwise?I certainly haven't.In my ward there is a much higher percentage of active and faithful women than men. I can think of at least five women who hold temple recommends whose husbands are not active, while on the other hand there isn't a single temple recommend holding man whose wife does not also hold one.Not long ago I attended a meeting with our Area Authority Seventy, which dealt with the problems of member retention. The statistics were sobering, but two that stood out to me were the gender activity ratio (59% to 41% women to men) and the "singles over age 30 who attend Church weekly" (21 men for every 100 women). Leaving aside the fact that women generally live longer than men (affecting the latter ratio), I believe these statistics still prove my point; women in general are much more faithful than men.Which leads to the obvious conclusion that there will be a greater number of women than men in the Celestial Kingdom. In light of that fact, what would you have God do to rectify the problem? If marriage is necessary for Exaltation (and it is), and absent plural marriage, how would you propose solving the dilemma without violating the principle of agency? Also, I daresay that it's a principle much easier for men to accept than women. Oh, I don't know. Reading the accounts of the early brethren I don't see very many of them who were enthused with the idea. I certainly wouldn't be. I love my wife dearly and I'm not the least bit interested in sharing my affections with another woman. But after shrugging off this mortal coil with all of its carnal, sensual, and devilish baggage I expect to see things a whole lot differently than I do now. And I suspect righteous woman who oppose plural marriage now will see things differently then too.

I'm in Berlin now. I just did Berlin Walks which is a take off on the original London Walks. Spent most of the time east of the wall, which pre WW2 was the cultural and governmental part of Germany. Very interesting. Our guide was a history Student of Humboldt university in Berlin. Saw the wall or what's left of it, and many other very cool sights. In a few years the former Imperial palace will be restored, then I'll return. Off to Munich tomorrow.

will it be a big quilt with the word "simplicity" in the centre of it?

I'm not an atheist, of course. Nevertheless, if I was one it's not hard to imagine how quickly I would become irritated by my spouse thinking I needed salvation, 'God,' or to join a particular religion. There would be a constant sense of distance, of a holding-out. The problem is obvious enough that the Apostle Paul told the Corinthians that when an unbeliever wants out of a marriage, let them go in peace. The difficulty is likely to be less evident during the dating phase, and really come out after the marriage is up and running. Bottom line: Don't start down a road that scripture warns is fraught with danger and failure.

Memorial car and plaque made for the Barney family.

I am sorry, this just..... is not correct. I know you went through things as well, but no one is ever at fault for being violated or abused. No one asks for it. Typically, healing is about learning how to NOT take the blame, and how to release the shame etc.....and gain understanding that we were not at fault. When someone harms another person, it is their crime to carry, and answer for.....not the victim's. Our society still at times struggles to grasp this. We live in a world where women are typically blamed." Well, what was she wearing? What kind of past history does she have?" .....No, means no. If a man wears a football jersey does that mean he is asking for people to tackle/ body slam him? Of course not. I was 14. I blamed myself for years because I did not trust my instinct and leave the room when my friend went out.....I thought it was my fault because I was stupid, because I had been wearing a skirt, because I did not fight harder.......however, it was NOT my fault. Often we blame ourselves because it gives us a sense of control....if we are to blame, it means we can some how correct, or prevent it from happening again. It gives us a target, and something to lash-out at when we do not have the option to do that against the one who truly is to blame.

Douglas Scott Barney II June 3, 1971 – January 17, 2016 Officer Douglas Barney, 44, was killed in the line of duty on Sunday, January 17, 2016, while trying to question a man who seemingly had done nothing more than leave the scene of a traffic accident. An 18 year veteran police officer, Doug loved law enforcement and interacting with the community. Doug was perfectly suited to law enforcement..., never able to sit perfectly still, always eager for something exciting, and relating to other people in a down-to-earth, sincere way. Doug was born June 3, 1971 on a military base in Taiwan to Douglas Scott and Darlene Heinz Barney. Doug was raised in Anaheim, California, and worked at Disneyland as one of his first jobs. He attended Clara Barton Elementary School and Loara High School. He played water polo and was on the high school swim team. Just before his senior year, his family moved to Orem, Utah where Doug graduated from Orem High School. He loved the move to Utah and being able to ride dirt bikes daily in the hills behind his family home. After graduation Doug worked a series of jobs, mostly in the auto mechanics field like his father. He loved working on cars and raced his cars a couple of times at the old Bonneville Raceway. Doug and his wife, Erika, grew up near each other in Anaheim and he liked to tell stories of how he had always had a crush on her. When Erika moved to Utah to attend BYU they continued their friendship and he tried his hardest to get her to commit to dating him (she had a habit of inviting her roommates along when he asked her out for pie.) In 1995 he showed up to her apartment unexpectedly and asked her to marry him. He asked again every day for several months until she finally accepted. Doug married Erika Gilroy on February 17, 1996 in his family home in Orem. Their marriage was later solemnized in the Jordan River Temple. Doug passed away one month before their 20th wedding anniversary. After their wedding Doug told Erika that although he loved working on cars, it was a bit too lonely of a type of work for him. He didn’t like being underneath the cars by himself all day long and would tend to move around looking for conversations with other mechanics. He admitted to his wife that he had always wanted to be a police officer and, with her blessing, began applying with different agencies. Doug was hired as a corrections officer with the Salt Lake County Sheriff’s Office in December of 1998 and one year later was hired as a patrol officer. He worked primarily in Kearns and Magna, Taylorsville City, and Holladay City during his career. Doug earned a bachelor’s degree from the University of Utah by taking two classes a semester while working full time to support his family. His degree was in Sociology with a Criminal Justice certificate. Doug is survived by his wife,Erika, their three children, Matilda 18 (Matti), Meredith 16 (Merri), and Jacob 13 (Jack). He is also survived by his mother, Darlene, and his three siblings and their spouses, Tammy (Jason), Russell (Heather), and Brian (Jennifer). He was preceded in death by his father, Douglas Scott Barney. Between Doug’s and Erika’s siblings there are 23 nieces and nephews who love Doug, and each are pretty sure they are his favorite. Doug had a special way of relating to children and loved to hold them, tickle them, and incorrectly guess their age. His church family knew it was his habit to come to church and look around for someone with a new baby to sit near, with the hope that the baby would get fussy and they would let him hold it. Doug was a devoted husband and father who loved spending time with his family and talking about them when he couldn’t be with them. He loved teaching his kids how to shoot guns, appreciate cars, and the basic approach to a few defensive control techniques. He loved music and listened to every conceivable type of music. For years he kept a cassette tape keyed up in his patrol car to Kenny Rogers’ Long Arm of the Law, which he would sing loudly when a prisoner seemed especially sulky on the way to jail. The end result was usually that they would come into the jail laughing together. Doug was well known for his boisterous personality. He was larger than life in every way. He was very funny and was often able to diffuse a tense situation with a perfectly timed joke. It is very hard for a criminal to consider violence while laughing. Doug’s law enforcement brothers remember him for his signature greeting of, “hey, brotha!” or “hey, sista!”, and an almost knocking-the-wind-out pat on the back. Doug struggled with bladder cancer and the side effects of treatments and surgeries for many years. He was frustrated by the time it took him away from work and from his family, but had an amazing ability to stay positive and upbeat and even lighthearted about the challenges. His only desire, always, was to be able to get back to work and to take care of his family. Doug will be forever missed. The family would like to thank the community, both locally and nationally, for the outpouring of love that has been given this week. Services will be held at the Maverik Center, 3200 Decker Lake Drive, West Valley City, Utah on Monday, January 25, 2016 at 11:00 a.m. A public viewing will be held at the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints Stake Center at 2811 S 6400 W on Sunday, January 24 from 5:00 – 9:00 p.m. Interment will be at the Orem City Cemetery.

My wife and I get around this by being the first to make the joke about ourselves. Self-effacing humor - it costs nothing, breaks the ice, eases the tension. I highly recommend it in situations where the other option is to get offended, or feel like you need to figure out present yourself as something else. Here's a bunch of stories when I'm the only Mormon: I remember when the Olympics came to SLC. I was in Denver at the time, talking to my dad over the phone at work. "Yep - the Olympics coming to SLC is the best thing to ever happen to us Mormons. It's our big chance to prove to everyone that we're not crazy." I heard a chuckle from a co-worker over the wall, who was in many ways an exact opposite of me and my values. We got along remarkably well after that phone call, and had a few good discussions about important things. Next job (Colorado Springs) I was in charge of ordering the stuff for the office party. I kept asking people what kind of beer I should order, they kept telling me "you pick" and "just get what you like". I finally said "Ok, look. If you let the Mormon pick the beer, we're all gonna end up drinking lime coolaid." They were immediately concerned that they'd offended me, but when it was obvious that wasn't the case, everything was just fine. I now had a team of nonMormons that were more protective and supportive of my desires to follow the WoW than I actually was. Wife had a friend. One day she found out we were Mormon, and she actually ducked her head and took some steps backwards as if she expected us to attack her or something. My wife didn't know what to make of it. Anyway, friend also did petsitting and was taking care of our dogs. When we got back, friend was very nervous - apparently one of our dogs had gotten out and run around the neighborhood for a few hours, before finally getting caught. Friend was worried we'd be mad. My wife got a very serious look on her face, and said "Well, I'm glad you caught her, because it's against our religion for you to lose our dog." The friend looked sad and anxious for a full three seconds - then it finally dawned on her and she finally laughed and relaxed. Last story: Going to lunch with a buddy, who is talking about the issues he's had with his church and picking a new pastor. Stuff like that can divide congregations - folks will break away, attendance will slow or grow, it can mean big changes for people who just wanna go to church. I said "We Mormons don't really have problems like that - we go from Bishop to Bishop and nothing changes. We just have a big schism once every 150 years where a bunch of people break away and then a dozen people go to prison for child abuse, and then everything is back to normal." Stuff like this builds bridges. It helps. It opens gates to people's fertile gardens where genuine seeds can get planted. So much better than getting upset or uptight or offended.

Or "My sons served missions, wearing those white shirts with black nametags. So did many of my other relatives and closest friends."

Husband and I were reading about one of the couples who won a share. They seemed like very nice, down-to-earth people who said they'd be paying their tithing (to a different church.) My thought was "lucky church." I understand perfectly well our church policy, but a nice little solitary church somewhere probably would appreciate that kind of tithe.