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I agree with notifying management or even corporate. I appreciate you not wanting cancel culture, but in my view it's the same about letting the cook know the food is uncharacteristically and truly awful. (Glass in the soup sort of deal) You're doing them a favor and letting them know there's a problem.

Reporting this to higher management is not cancel culture. It is accountability for terrible behavior. Imagine if I refused to take a report from someone while I was at work due to their race. Would it be cancel culture to complain?

Excellent question. Here's the answer. https://www.thedailybell.com/all-articles/news-analysis/roof-koreans-civilians-defended-koreatown-racist-violence-la-riots-1992/

Wow. Just wow. I honestly would give a complaint to not only the store manager, but at corporate as well. And I would provide names--this is seriously unacceptable. They should not be in any type of customer service job if they can't serve everyone with respect--they can think what they want, but they shouldn't treat someone like that while at their job. I wouldn't want them to be doxed but they either need to be reprimanded or fired.

Greeting Vort: The subject of the queer sister is something I would have discussed in more detail with you - since I was late to this table. I have one post in that thread - If you do not wish to respond in the thread, I would appreciate a response just to me on my thought - according to your opinion that I respect. The Traveler

Thanks for the honest and insightful answers, NT. Rather than dissect this answer and pick apart the elements that don't seem to hold up, I'm going to accept it in toto as another, possibly insightful, way to view the occurrence. I literally don't know what to think of this. I've voiced some of my displeasure and some of the reasons behind that displeasure. But I have stated some things poorly, and even if I had stated everything perfectly, I might be wrong. I think I am not wrong (obviously, or else I wouldn't hold the opinions I do), but I grant I might be. Our Church leaders have their work cut out for them. Among those Church leaders I include not just the General Authorities, but the General Officers (or whatever they're called now), including the General Relief Society presidency. If they are giving honest effort and striving to follow the Spirit, I do not want to be found working against their efforts. That would put me on the left hand of Christ. But I refuse to apologize for the fundamental doctrines of salvation, and I get very concerned when those in leadership seem to try to soft-pedal those teachings. So that's my conundrum. I fear that any further participation in this thread (by me) would only further contention and drive the Spirit away, without clarifying anything. So thanks for the honest response. I'm bowing out for now.

I appreciate your desire not to participate in so-called cancel culture. Good for you. Consider that reporting this occurrence may be more akin to letting parents know about errant children than about looking for revenge and trying to destroy someone's career.

The Temple and the home are a great place of worship. > 90% of my spiritual experiences came in solitude. At home, on a run, in the car, personal study on the mission, etc.

I’ll be honest... I actually value that socializing prior to sacrament meeting and the ability to welcome guests and members above the apparent need to be reverent. Im not willing to admit that I’d the way it ought to be... but that is just how I value it

I think His yoke is easy in comparison to pulling our burdens alone (D&C 19: 15-20).

I find that vast vast majority of other churches don’t treat their worship place as quiet reflection. Rather a place for joyful/loud worship, fellowship, and loud singing (frequently in the form of a rock conference).

In most reports of anti-Asian violence that I’ve seen lately, the race of the attacker has been fastidiously omitted. I can take a guess, based on the fact that the pseudonym you offered for her is not exactly a traditional Anglo-Saxon name, but . . . yeah.

The sound of crying children don't bother me at all. And, Brother Jones should have invited me too. Blast that Brother Jones, he is just so arrogant. Arrgg!

Said every bishop ever in existence... I would also argue that the majority of other religions treat their service areas as social halls unless it has the appearance of a holy place (ie magnificent pillars reaching to the ceiling, stone walls, massive statue of Christ on the cross, pane glass murals etc.) From what I have seen, it has less to do with what we call it and more to do with what it looks like. Admittedly, sacrament halls don’t appear all that holy. I would also add that having children makes it hard to have that “ideal” atmosphere. lastly, I would ask how much do others affect your experience? Could your frustration be more damaging to your experience than bro jones talking about yesterday’s bbq? Notwithstanding... we should treat it as a holy place.

Holy crap people, it's ok to notify an employer about the behavior of one of their employees. No need to think in terms of doxxing, canceling, or getting someone fired. And it's ok not to get caught up in lucifer's lies and traps about how it's sometimes important to keep the truth a secret, because tattling makes us tattle-tales. He sows that one into us early on, but it's still a lie. Another lie is that when a person does something horrible, the consequences aren't the fault of that person, but the person who makes the behavior known. Whether the employee's consequences are getting fired, reprimanded, re-assigned to a non-customer facing role, enrolled in training, punished, or ignored - the consequences are because of the employee's behavior. Not Carb for telling. Now Carb's internal scan of his motivations for acting, is important. Yes, you can blow the lid off of stuff for the right reasons, and the wrong reasons. But there are absolutely right reasons to blow the lid off this thing. Jeez. It's feeling like 3rd grade recess in here.

Ok, here goes: In general, or when we're trying to preach the gospel? No. Do we do it at times? Yes. When people are trying to make folks feel welcome, when we are trying to nurture a spark of interest in the church or in the gospel, yes. I presume prison missionaries spend quite a bit of time taking a 'mealy-mouthed approach' that emphasizes God's love and willingness to forgive, and almost zero time preaching against specific sins. I know personally of several, and I assume it's a widely-spread phenomenon, for parents of wayward children to take this approach, at times. But in general, when teaching and preaching the Gospel of Christ, no, we don't do that. And if we take a step back from the six-minute portion of one of the videos, of one of the church's conferences, I don't see general trends of avoiding the truth. You can find it in our Gospel Principles manual, in the repentance chapter: Not everyone watches a 2021 BYU women's conference YouTube video, but the normal process is every member at some point, goes through the GP classes. I see standing firm sprinkled through the results of a search of the church's website on the word "homosexuality". But no, you're right, it's totally absent this 6 minute interaction we're discussing in this thread. Ok, but again, that wasn't the stated point of the interview. Again, the stated point was "how should we think and act when we've got one in front of us, trying to make friends". Again: For 6 minutes, nobody is condemning same-sex behavior as sin. Our response should be to cleanse ourselves of any unwillingness to love our neighbor, or awkwardness in doing so, and our response should be to share the Gospel. And, if the 2021 BYU women's conference is any standard to go by, it's ok to spend 6 minutes getting to know someone without yelling about what is and isn't sin. If we took our total response to all things queer, and condensed it into that 6 minutes, then it would make no sense at all. It might make some sense depending on circumstances laid out in Elder Oaks' talk Judge not and Judging. Depending on the situation, we are either commanded to keep our mouths shut, or commanded to open it. It probably goes over very well in the church's addiction recovery meetings. Or in discussions between incarcerated people and prison missionaries. Or anywhere someone is moving from a position of denial, to a position of accepting the truth about themselves. And again, I take a few guesses here on why it was useful in forwarding the work of the Lord here. I think that's all the questions you posed, let me know if I missed any.

MBA here. The employee in question is a lawsuit waiting to happen. It's cheaper to fire an employee with a documented history of racist behavior than to handle the lawsuits caused by their actions. You'd actually be doing corporate a favor.

I agree, Carb. Corporate needs to hear about this. What you describe is nothing short of appalling.

I’d vote for “fired”. And the company needs to be sued, and the media alerted, if you don’t get proof that it’s happened. This is not someone who was simply “uneducated” or didn’t take enough sensitivity trainings. She went out of her way to be cruel. So, make it hurt. She needs to remember you, viscerally. By the way—what was “Shayna’s” race?

Some thoughts on the matter... I suppose that I also instinctively fall in line with @Vort’s way of thinking on this matter. However, as I thought about how the church leaders view these matters, it led me to thinking about it in terms of how alcoholism is discussed and viewed. The world tends to associate healing from our base level desires by identifying oneself as the problems and addictions we face. For instance, it is not uncommon to hear someone say they are an “alcoholic” and haven’t had a drink in X number of years. Likewise, it is not uncommon to hear evangelicals refer to themselves as “sinners” when preaching. I suppose then that, due to the commonplace discussions of LGBTQ in the world currently, we should not be surprised to find such self-identifiers within the church as well. In my view, as we know that the Lord has the power to change our hearts and we become His sons and daughters as we strive to be like Him, we should also identify as such. We covenant to take His name upon us as new creatures. I believe THAT is how we should not only identify ourselves but also how we should view ourselves and others. That being said, I suppose it is wrong of me to judge those who self-identify as their problems. Their addictions and issues might plague them to the point to where they truly believe they ARE that trial. Hopefully they are able to allow God to change their natures and eventually be healed.

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I'd like to share an experience about "commercial racism". DESCRIPTION: We know about violent racism. We also know about stereotypes. We know about ethnic jokes. And we know about those individuals who, well... bless their hearts... just don't know how racist they sound when they say or do certain things. COMMERCIAL RACISM is what I'm calling those things that people do in commerce/business/employment, etc based on race. While I've experienced this before, there was always some shame in it. They always hid it in such a way that there was a small (sometimes tiny) level of plausible deniability. Yesterday, I came across blatant, open, admitted commercial racism. I have a Sam's Club membership. As such I have a credit card that provides a lot of cash back. Every April/May I cash in (that's the cycle I'm in). I went to the club to get a few things. I went to a checkout line that had the "open" sign on. I began to unload when the checkout lady (let's call her Shayna) said that she was closed. She was just standing there doing nothing. Just waiting for... something. Then as I moved away another woman came with her cart and began to unload. Shayna began to help her unload and started checking her stuff. I waited in another line and checked my stuff out there. I asked about cashback. They said that I could cash out at the membership desk. Once all loaded up in the car, I went to the membership desk and asked for my cashback. The lady there said that she couldn't do it at the membership desk. I told her what the checkout lady said. She told me that I'd been misinformed. I needed to go back to the checkout area and speak to someone in a green vest (one of the supervisors). I found that Shayna had a green vest. So, I began waiting at her line. When she was all out of customers, I asked her about he cashback. She said that she was not going to help me. Then she proceeded to wave someone else forward to unload. I asked her why she told me she was closed earlier. She said, "I don't want to serve you people. You're the reason we've got COVID." "I'm actually Korean, not Chinese." (in some half-effort to appeal to her). "Same difference." She then began to ignore me and got the next person to unload. Just then I noticed that another green vest came by. I spoke with him. He said that it is taken care of at the membership desk. I rebutted. He took me there personally. The lady then looked at me with some disgust and went through the motions. I got all my money. She didn't need any instruction from the green vest. She knew exactly how to do it. After it was all done, she walked briskly away from me and began a conversation with another worker until I left. As I was far away, I noticed she came right back her station again. No customer. Just the lack of "me".